Federer Roddick Wimbledon 2009 final stats

abmk

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Federer def. Roddick 5-7, 7-6(6),7-6(5), 3-6,16-14

Aces :Federer : 50, Roddick : 27

DFs: Federer : 4, Roddick : 4

SWs: Federer : 4, Roddick : 10

FHWs:
Federer : 36 (including 5 passing shot winners)
Roddick : 22 (including 2 passing shot winners and 1 return passing shot winner)

BHWs:
Federer : 8 (including 5 passing shot winners)
Roddick : 7 (including 5 passing shot winners)

FH wing UEs:
Federer : 18
Roddick : 11 (including one return error)

BH wing UEs:
Federer : 15 (including 2 return errors)
Roddick : 18 (including 2 return errors and 3 volley errors)

FH FEs:
Federer : 52,Roddick : 40

BH FEs:
Federer : 52, Roddick : 44

FHV:Federer : 2, Roddick : 3

BHV:Federer : 4, Roddick : 3

OH:Federer : 2, Roddick : 0

Net points :
Federer : 29/43 (including 1/2 on 1st serve SnV and 1/2 on 2nd serve SnV) [67.44%]
Roddick : 37/57 (including 3/4 on 1st serve SnV) [64.91%]

Unreturned serves (excluding aces and service winners)

1st serve:Federer : 26, Roddick : 52

2nd serve:Federer : 9, Roddick : 10

All unreturned serves:

Federer : 89/197 (45.18%)
Roddick : 99/239 (41.42%)

BP chances:
Federer: 1/7, Roddick : 2/5

Games with BP chances:
Federer : 1/4, Roddick : 2/3


In Summary,

Winners :Federer : 106, Roddick : 72

UEs: Federer : 37, Roddick : 33

FEs: Federer : 104, Roddick : 84

Points :Federer : 223, Roddick : 213


[[[[[Official stats, not mine :

Federer : 127/197 first serves in (64%), winning 113/127 on 1st serve(89%) and 42/60 on 2nd serve(60%)

Roddick : 168/239 first serves in (70%), winning 140/168 on 1st serve(83%) and 31/71 on 2nd serve (44%)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Wimbledon_Championships_–_Men's_singles_final

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abmk

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Set by set stats :

Aces :
Federer : 7,8,7,6,22 ...Total = 50
Roddick : 5,6,6,2,8...Total = 27

DFs:
Federer : 1,1,0,1,1 ...Total = 4
Roddick : 0,2,1,1 ...Total = 4

SWs:
Federer : 1,1,1,0,1 ...Total = 4
Roddick : 3,2,0,0,5 ...Total = 5

FHWs:
Federer : 2,4,8,7,15 ...Total = 36
Roddick : 2,2,8,2,8 ...Total = 22

BHWs:
Federer : 2,3,2,0,1 ...Total = 8
Roddick : 3,0,0,1,3 ...Total = 7

FH UEs:
Federer : 5,3,2,1,7 ...Total = 18
Roddick : 2,1,3,1,4 ...Total = 11

BH UEs:
Federer : 0,1,2,4,8 ...Total = 15
Roddick : 2,5,2,1,8 ...Total = 18

FH FEs:
Federer : 9,9,4,11,19 ...Total = 52
Roddick : 6,8,8,4,14 ...Total = 40

BH FEs:
Federer : 8,8,10,7,19 ...Total = 52
Roddick : 9,7,7,2,19 ...Total = 44

FHV:
Federer : 1,0,0,0,1 ...Total = 2
Roddick : 0,2,0,0,1 ...Total = 3

BHV:
Federer : 0,0,2,1,1 ...Total = 4
Roddick : 0,1,1,1,0 ...Total = 3

OH:
Federer : 1,0,0,0,1 ...Total = 2
Roddick : 0,0,0,0,0 ...Total = 0

Net points :
Federer : 7/11,2/3,5/8,3/6,12/15 ....Total = 29/43
Roddick : 5/9,9/14,8/14,6/7,9/13 ....Total = 37/57

Unreturned serves (excluding aces and service winners)

1st serve:
Federer : 4,6,5,1,10 ....Total = 26
Roddick :7,11,5,5,24 ....Total = 52

2nd serve:
Federer : 1,1,4,0,3 ....Total = 9
Roddick : 2,0,2,3,3 ...Total = 10

BP chances:
Federer: 0/4,0/0,0/1,0/0,1/2 ...Total = 1/7
Roddick : 1/1,0/0,0/0,1/2,0/2 ...Total = 2/5

Games with BP chances:
Federer : 0/1, 0/0,0/1,0/0,1/2 ..Total = 1/4
Roddick : 1/1,0/0,0/0,1/1,0/1 ..Total = 2/3


In Summary,

Winners :
Federer : 14,16,20,14,42 ...Total = 106
Roddick : 13,13,15,6,25 ...Total = 72

UEs:
Federer : 6,5,4,6,16 ...Total = 37
Roddick : 4,8,6,3,12 ...Total = 33

FEs:
Federer : 17,17,14,18,38 ...Total = 104
Roddick : 15,15,15,6,33 ...Total = 84

Points :
Federer : 33,39,41,23,87 ...Total = 223
Roddick : 36,35,33 ,30,79 ...Total = 213
 
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abmk

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Stats shown during the match and how my stats compare :

1. 1st set : 4 all, 15-0 Roddick serving, 75% 1st serves in, 93% first serve points won, 40% 2nd serve points won

2. 1st set : 4-5, 40-0, Federer serving :
Federer : 1st serve winning % =100, 2nd serve winning % = 57
Roddick 1st serve winning% = 95, 2nd serve winning % = 40

3. 1st set : 5 all, 0-15 , Roddick serving,
UEs : Roddick - 1,Federer - 3 ..I had the same

4. 1st set : 5 all, 15-30, Roddick serving,
Avg 1st serve speed : Roddick - 130 mph, Federer - 119 mph

5. 1st set : 5 all, 30-40, Roddick serving,
2nd serve ponts won : Roddick - 29%, Federer - 57%

6. 1st set, 5 all, 40 all, at net :
Roddick : 4/8, Federer : 6/10 ...I had the same.


7. 1st set, 5-6, 15-30, Federer serving :
FH UEs : Roddick : 1, Federer :5
I had roddick with 2 UEs and Federer with 5.

8. 2nd set, 3-3, 15-15, Roddick serving :
Roddick : 1st serve % = 77, 1st seerve winning % = 84, 2nd serve winning % = 38

9.
2nd set, 3-3, 30-15, Roddick serving :
Net points : Roddick : 9/16, Federer : 9/15
I had : Roddick : 11/16, Federer : 8/12

10. 2nd set, 4-4, 30-0, Roddick serving :
Returns in play : Roddick : 53%, Federer : 49%

11, 2nd set, 5 all,40-15, Roddick serving
1st serve% - Roddick : 79, Federer : 60

12. 2nd set in the TB, at 2-0 Roddick.
FH UEs : Federer - 8, Roddick - 2
I had federer with 8 and Roddick with 3.

13. 3rd set, 0-1,30-0, Roddick serving,
FH winners : Roddick - 6, Federer - 5
I had both with 6 winners each

14. At 1-1,15-0, Federer serving,
Net points...Roddick : 16/28, Federer - 14/24
I had ...Roddick : 17/27, Federer - 12/19

15. At 2-3, 40 all, Roddick serving,

2nd serve points won : Roddick - 42%, Federer - 63%

backhand winners : Roddick - 3, Federer - 7
I had Roddick with 3 BH winners and Federer with 6 BH winners

16. At 4-4, 15-0, Federer serving
points lost on serve by set for federer :
1st set : 7 (with 4 of those being the game in which he was broken , at 5-6)
2nd set : 7
3rd set : 2

17. At 4-5,40-30, Roddick serving,
first serve % : Roddick - 73, Federer - 64

18. At 5 all
FH UEs : Roddick - 5, Federer - 9
I had : Roddick - 6, Federer - 9

19.At the start of the 3rd set TB, they flashed this stat :
Federer TB record at Wimbledon since 2003 : 29-4
In general, 11-3 vs Roddick in TBs (mentioned by commentator)
 
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abmk

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Contd ....


20. 4th set, 0-1, Federer serving.
Winner profile :
Service - 24, FH - 14, BH - 8, Net - 5, Total = 51
I had:
Service - 25, FH - 15, BH - 7 , Net - 4 , Total = 51

21. 4th set, 0-1, 40-30 , Federer serving.
BH UEs : Federer - 4, Roddick - 8
mine : Federer - 4, Roddick - 10

22. 4th set , at 1 all

Aces : roddick - 18, federer - 23 ( I had the same)
First serve% : Roddick - 69, Federer - 63
1st serve points won% : Roddick - 85, Federer - 91
Winners : Roddick - 44, Federer - 53 ( I had Roddick at 42 and Federer at 52)
UEs : Roddick - 17, Federer - 16 ( I had Roddick at 20 and Federer at 17)
BPs won : Roddick : 1/1, Federer - 1/5 (I had the same)

23. 4-2, 30-15, Roddick serving,
1st serve speed(avg) : Roddick - 128, Federer -119

24. Early in the 5th set, some time after Roddick saves BP, Mac mentions he has got his 1st serve in on 5/6 BPs.

25. 5th set , 3 all, 30-15
1st serve% : Roddick - 67, Federer - 63

26. At 8-9, 40-15, Roddick serving,
net points : Roddick : 37/62, Federer: 32/50
I had : Roddick : 32/51, Federer : 26/39

27. At 9 all, 30-15, Federer serving,
Winners : Roddick - 66, Federer - 90
I had Roddick - 64, Federer - 89

28. At 10-11, 30-15, Roddick serving,
Roddick with 69W to 29 UEs
Federer with 94W to 36 UEs

I had :
Roddick with 67W to 27 UEs
Federer with 93W to 34 UEs

29. At 12 all, 40-0, Federer serving,
Winners : Roddick - 71, Federer - 100
I had : Roddick - 69, Federer - 99

30. At 14-15, AD-40 Roddick serving,
1st serve% points won : Roddick - 84, Federer - 89

31. The ace counts lined up every single time, so didn't mention them separately.
 
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abmk

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To sum it up :

1. Ace count, total points line up perfectly with official stats.

2. Minor variation in winner counts : I have one winner less for Federer and 2 less for Roddick from official count (probably from service winner).
But there are minor variation (by 1) for the splitup as seen above. Nothing major though.

3. Minor variation in UE counts : I ended up with 1 UE less for Federer.

4. One point more in unreturned serves for both from what @NonP has :

2009 Wim F L Federer - 41.0% (98/239), 27 aces, 4 DFs [44.7% (88/197), 50 aces, 4 DFs]

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/greatest-serves-of-all-time.306579/page-23#post-10535921

5. What I really don't understand is the big discrepancy in net points :

I have :
Federer with 29/43 at the net
Roddick with 37/57 at the net

The official stats have :
Federer with 38/59 at the net
Roddick with 42/69 at the net

How ?

I counted every point where the player got near the service line as a net point. (including the SnV points).

One possible explanation is they are considering shots from more than half-way from the baseline, but still clearly behind the service line as net point.

that isn't correct. Not really happy with that.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Comments :

1. 1st set, Federer was dominant on serve for the 1st 5 service games, losing only 3 points on serve till then. Roddick also held serve without too much trouble.
Then there was long Roddick service game where Federer had 4 BPs. Roddick survived , including one easy missed FH error from federer that should have been a winner. (I think Roddick saved the other 3 BPs with some clutch play)
Then Federer's level dips, Roddick plays an inspired game and breaks to get the set.

2. 2nd set, both hold comfortably till the TB. Roddick's best set serving wise. I think his serve% was close to 80 or slightly above in this set. Federer was slightly subdued on the return in this set.
TB, Roddick goes up 6-2 , Federer saves 3 SPs with a great BH half-volley flick, an unreturned serve and an ace. Then at 6-5, Roddick serving, Federer mishits the passing shot, Roddick is unsure of whether to hit it or leave it and ends up flubbing the volley. Federer then takes the next 2 points to win the TB 8-6 and complete a miraculous comeback.

3. 3rd set, both hold on till the TB. Roddick's 1st serve% dips to 56% in this set, but he's playing well enough off the ground to continue holding.
Federer plays a near perfect TB to win it 7-5.
he gets 2 mini-breaks with great play, roddick gets 1 back with great play of his own, but federer serves it out.

4. 4th set, Federer plays slightly loose and gets broken. He has 30 all, 15-30,0-30 in the last 3 service games of Roddick, but Roddick comes up with the goods and Federer is not able to come up with inspired play to cluster the points for a break.

5.Then we go onto the 5th and final set. Federer has a BP early on, but Roddick saves it with an unreturned serve.
Then Roddick has 2 BPs at 8 all, but Federer saves them both - with an uneturned serve and a swinging FH volley

6. Towards the end, from 12 all or so, Federer is holding serve comfortably and Roddick's service games are getting tougher.
Finally in the 30th game of the set, a game where Roddick gets 7/10 1st serves in, in the last 2 points, Federer dropshots a BH return and Roddick misses a makeable FH, then Federer drives his BH to force a mishit from the Roddick FH and clinches the match.


7. The W/UE stats for the Roddick BH are quite misleading. He forced quite a few errors from federer with BH.
Especially killed Federer with great BHs on almost every crucial point. (both the break points and one of the mini-breaks in the 2nd set TB)

8. Overall, Roddick won clearly less% of return points, but clustered them better to get the 2 breaks as compared to just 1 for Federer.
But honestly, Federer should've taken the 1st set with that easy FH and roddick should've taken the 2nd at 6-5 in the breaker with a volley.

[[[Federer return points won : 68/239 (28.45%), Roddick return points won : 42/197 (21.32%). Notice that Roddick had to serve 42 points more , with having to serve just one extra game ]]]]

9. The returning from both wasn't great, but they were better than what I remember seeing the 1st time live. The serving was just exceptional from both and the weather being hot helped make the conditions faster.


10. Overall, a prime performance from federer, not peak level, coz' returning was just decent, not as sharp as it used to be at his peak (& did not cluster them well) and some slightly sloppy play at crucial intervals. Still , great serving, moved well, hit his FH well (esp. in the 2nd half of the match), BH was working fine, came up with some amazing shots.

Roddick did almost everything well - serve, FH, BH, net play and was moving really well and really kept his cool. Only down point was slightly below par returning. But he truly gave it his all.

I think a factor in Roddick keeping Federer honest in this match he used the body serve really effectively (more so than in their other matches)


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11. And please,no, Roddick did NOT outplay federer from the ground. Federer still outplayed Roddick from the ground to some extent, just that the Roddick got closer than he had ever before (save maybe wimby 04) and stayed with him in the rallies.
This included some amazing BHs and unexpected hustling &retrieving.

Total points won :
Points :Federer : 223
Roddick : 213

All unreturned serves:

Federer : 89/197 (45.18%)
Roddick : 99/239 (41.42%)

So points won not on serve :

Federer = 223-89 = 134
Roddick = 213-99 = 114
 
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@abmk
I also encountered some strange net approach counting on a match. Did stats for Roddick-Fed 2003 YEC SF. I noticed several times Fed was sort of doing a fake S&V, meaning he hit kick serves and took a big step into the court(but didn't get that close to service line) and if roddick made a weak return he was able to run in to volley, and if he missed return he didn't move at all, obviously. I wondered if they were going to count those missed returns as S&V and when they had a mid match update I compared with my own stats and sure they enough that's what they did.
 

abmk

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@abmk
I also encountered some strange net approach counting on a match. Did stats for Roddick-Fed 2003 YEC SF. I noticed several times Fed was sort of doing a fake S&V, meaning he hit kick serves and took a big step into the court(but didn't get that close to service line) and if roddick made a weak return he was able to run in to volley, and if he missed return he didn't move at all, obviously. I wondered if they were going to count those missed returns as S&V and when they had a mid match update I compared with my own stats and sure they enough that's what they did.
hmm, that's interesting. Thanks for that info.

I didn't notice anything like that in this match though.
 
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