wow ... that 's so surpise man ... 194 matchs ...Not tanking on purpose (I don’t think Federer would do that), but lacking the last bit of fitness after a hard tournament in Toronto. Remember back then there were no 1st round Byes at Masters, so he had to play 6 matches in 7 days in Toronto (with always 3-setters in the last 4 days) and then only one free day before the next tournament with again potentially 6 consecutive matches started.
It was a strange match where Federer was broken 7 times but he also broke Murray 5 times and often came back to equal the score. That surely isn’t tanking in a sense of not trying.
By the way, it was Federer’s first straight-sets defeat since 194 matches (last time against Kuerten at RG 2004 which was 27 months before)! For me the most unreal and sensational tennis statistic at all.
Yeah, the Wimbledon final was 5 months ago, I don't care about that either. Let's just discuss here all the matches that are taking place today.
But Federer won the USO after Cincinnati. I think he was saving his energy since he just won the Master in Toronto the previous week. Also Murray lost straight set to Roddick at Cinci. in the semifinal, who later met Federer at the USO final and got obliterated.Why would he want to tank to a young scrub like Andy was at that time (and whose game he had criticised up to that point) and so give him the confidence to know he could beat him?
If he was too tired to play he should have just withdrawn. No?
Still a pretty weird loss for that version of Fed.With pre 2004 Fed it wouldn't have been a surprise, but by 2004 he was already dominating.Although he won the title in 2005, his reign in Cincinnati started with 2007.Hrbaty is the Big 4 giant slayer tho
Crazy than Nadal is the only Big 4 player to sweep the US HC.Neither guy was playing great, but Fed was worse. Long week in Canada with tons of three set matches and no first round byes, and the USO round the corner. I think he half arsed it tbh, don't think he tanked but he wasn't willing to die on the court to get the win.
The official name is the ATP Challenger Tour. They are ATP matches just like on the regular ATP Tour.ATP only counts ATP matches played in the H2H.
Is the Laver Cup an ATP event?
You can be as dogmatic as you like but try telling players on the Challenge Tour their matches don't count.
Hey, don't have a go at me. Take it up with the ATP. They're the ones who decide what's included in the H2H and what is not. I note that they do refer to Challenger matches when citing H2H stats but record them separately.The official name is the ATP Challenger Tour. They are ATP matches just like on the regular ATP Tour.
If you want to get into the "value of matches" discussion, I might argue that a Challenger final is a greater match than an ATP 250 first round. Should both be excluded? No. If they have inherent value (i.e. points) then they should count.
The ATP can be wrong man lol. Obviously they don't include challenger tour matches but that doesn't mean that they're right not to, they're serious matches...Hey, don't have a go at me. Take it up with the ATP. They're the ones who decide what's included in the H2H and what is not. I note that they do refer to Challenger matches when citing H2H stats but record them separately.
Just sayin'.The ATP can be wrong man lol. Obviously they don't include challenger tour matches but that doesn't mean that they're right not to, they're serious matches...
Quoting what's the ATP website isn't really addressing my point.
Couldn't agree more.Anyway, no point going back and forth on this.