Federer Shanghai Uniqlo 2019

deaner2211

Semi-Pro
I understood perfectly well.

You said "without trying to make a profit", which suggests that you know how much profit they make and that none/or negligible part of it comes out of their Federer deal. To claim something like that you must have some pretty conclusive data, otherwise your statements are sitting up in the air with nothing to back them up. Same for the RF logo, which no one outside of the involved parties knows anything about (and by the looks of it you are more wrong than right).

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If you have read my very first post then you would have understood my last. You Fed fans always think someone is saying something negative against him. I only said that the price that Uniqlo was offering Roger's kits were much cheaper that Nike did and the other poster took it as negative and ranted about how much money the owner has and didnt sign Roger for profit reasons. That is when i replied "I have never heard paying someone 30 million with trying to make a profit. So understand the context. As far as the RF logo i know that Nike is not giving it to Uniqlo. https://hypebeast.com/2019/6/roger-federer-nike-rf-logo-ownership-conflict
 
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I saw a teenager wore this jacket at a USTA tournament last saturday and I asked him where he bought it. He said he doesn't know. His father got it for him. I've been trying to buy one but no luck so far :(. I would buy this Uniqlo jacket over Nike any days

 

kimguroo

Legend
It’s funny that Federer uniqlo gear threads always ended up with “bad marketing or product availability” instead of talking about Federer uniqlo gears. Different people bring same issues and suddenly derail from original threads.
It’s time to move. He signed uniqlo over a year ago. Get over it.

Also spending 30 mils from $2.4 billion dollar revenue company, it’s nothing.
It’s like you make $100 million dollars per a year and spending a $30,000 wine for one-night dinner.
it’s nothing for them.

Uniqlo just reported that they just have a record profit which was about 9% growth despite of huge problems in South Korea because of “boycott” Japanese products ( revenue dropped over 40% in South Korea and closed some retail stores). This result clearly shows that their marketing is fine. Uniqlo is not a sport apparel company and they will never be.
 

kimguroo

Legend
I saw a teenager wore this jacket at a USTA tournament last saturday and I asked him where he bought it. He said he doesn't know. His father got it for him. I've been trying to buy one but no luck so far :(. I would buy this Uniqlo jacket over Nike any days

That looks familiar hahahahahaha
 

Dim Sim

Rookie
It doesn't work like that. You came in with the talk about ROI, so the onus to provide the data that supports your claims is on you. I actually said that it is completely pointless to make such speculations without having the information, and invited you to present it, if you are making such claims. I also said that barely anyone is interested in ROI as a normal tennis fan, which you rejected, so, again, if you chose to stay by that point, you should make a case for it (however unimportant such point might be to the people interested in Federer's gear). Anecdotal "proofs" like "I haven't seen ads, so it means that their ROI is bad" are pointless.

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Right, so discussion in the forum needs to be restricted to “tennis” and we ignore surrounding context like the reasons for sponsorship. Unless you have the balance sheet and media budget for pre and post periods any discussion of why uniqlo is sponsoring Rog (whether or not you get techie about ROI) is pure speculation. Enjoy your forced ignorance comrade. You’d be a hoot at dinner.
 

haqq777

Legend
Feel meh about this red one. All I care for is that Cinci kit. Loved it. So far that and Nishi's FO kit top my favorite list. I have Nishikori's full set, was fortunate enough to get everything in time (and in the right size). But anyway, hope we can see some sort of a comeback for the Cinci 2019 kit. It was fantastic I think.
 

Nicholo

Rookie
It’s interesting how different the designs are from Novak to Roger. Obviously Christophe Lemaire was not doing Novak’s so that explains it. But ND was much sportier and RF’s are often like wardrobe essentials/basics spun as tennis gear.
 

King No1e

Legend
I thought you couldn't go wrong with a red Shanghai outfit.
I was wrong.


It's just so boring. Uniqlo did so much better for Djokovic over the years in Shanghai.

Compare it to this:




It's no contest. Uniqlo needs Djokovic's designer back, and they need better marketing.
 

dr325i

Legend
I thought you couldn't go wrong with a red Shanghai outfit.
I was wrong.


It's just so boring. Uniqlo did so much better for Djokovic over the years in Shanghai.

Compare it to this:




It's no contest. Uniqlo needs Djokovic's designer back, and they need better marketing.
And Djokovic’s body that was a perfect fit for their outfit
 

TheIntrovert

Hall of Fame
I bought one of Federer outfits and the fit is totally different from Novaks (slim and perfect close to body fit)
Probably just that roger prefers that looser fit. I’m sure Uniqlo have no issue with getting their tape measures out on the guy they’re spending 300million on.
 

jmacdaununder2

Hall of Fame
Agree that in the Djokovic era Uniqlo's clothes were tailored to emphasise Djoker's whippet like physique, and the designs, although, as others have pointed out, often somewhat resembled Nike designs, were nonetheless far superior to the plastic press studded 'pyjamas' Fed is now sporting. The fact that Nishikori's gear remains consistently better than Fed's is also intriguing; it suggests Uniqlo could do better with Fed's gear if they wanted to.
 
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volleynets

Professional
Agree that in the Djokovic era Uniqlo's clothes were tailored to emphasise Djoker's whippet like physique, and the designs, although, as others have pointed out, often somewhat resembled Nike designs, were nonetheless far superior to the plastic press studded 'pyjamas' Fed is now sporting. The fact that Nishikori's gear remains consistently better than Fed's is also intriguing; it suggests Uniqlo could do better with Fed's gear if they wanted to.
One thing I don't see mentioned often is that the design choices might be heavily influenced by Fed so the reason the outfits don't look more like Novak could be because of how Roger himself prefers them to look.
 

ARaj

New User
One thing I don't see mentioned often is that the design choices might be heavily influenced by Fed so the reason the outfits don't look more like Novak could be because of how Roger himself prefers them to look.
Yes and Federer himself has referenced having more input to the designs / keeping them far more simple in various press conferences
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
joker busy making butt ugly crock stuff these days. at much less than 30. mil a year i’m told
Funnily enough, I agree that Lacoste is putting their best designs on someone else from their sponsored athletes and not on Djokovic. I think that their last excellent effort with Djokovic was this:





Other than that someone else is wearing their best designs like for example Meddy here (that polo shirt is even better looking in person):



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dnguyen

Hall of Fame
I saw a teenager wore this jacket at a USTA tournament last saturday and I asked him where he bought it. He said he doesn't know. His father got it for him. I've been trying to buy one but no luck so far :(. I would buy this Uniqlo jacket over Nike any days

I think i know his son because his father is my good friend. Someone printed that logo professionally. You have to ask his father or want me to give you the professional printer’s contact detail.
 

Alexh22

Rookie
I think i know his son because his father is my good friend. Someone printed that logo professionally. You have to ask his father or want me to give you the professional printer’s contact detail.
I thought someone inked that RF on it and I was right.
 

kimguroo

Legend
I thought someone inked that RF on it and I was right.
It’s heat transfer material but now it can be permanently inked since there is new material which is called heat transfer ink.

I think i know his son because his father is my good friend. Someone printed that logo professionally. You have to ask his father or want me to give you the professional printer’s contact detail.
Hint... hint.....hint... ^_________^
That looks familiar hahahahahaha
 
It’s heat transfer material but now it can be permanently inked since there is new material which is called heat transfer ink.


Hint... hint.....hint... ^_________^
I saw that kid again this past Saturday with his father at the tournament and I asked his father where he got the jacket because I would like to get one for my son. The father is a very nice guy and he gave my son the same jacket that his son wears but different color with the RF logo on the sleeve. It is a beautiful jacket. He gave the jacket to my son for FREE. I tried to give his kid $200 but his kid didn't accept it.

@kimguroo ... do you know how to print the logo?
 

haqq777

Legend
I saw that kid again this past Saturday with his father at the tournament and I asked his father where he got the jacket because I would like to get one for my son. The father is a very nice guy and he gave my son the same jacket that his son wears but different color with the RF logo on the sleeve. It is a beautiful jacket. He gave the jacket to my son for FREE. I tried to give his kid $200 but his kid didn't accept it.

@kimguroo ... do you know how to print the logo?
Very nice to hear. There are awesome people everywhere!
 

kimguroo

Legend
I saw that kid again this past Saturday with his father at the tournament and I asked his father where he got the jacket because I would like to get one for my son. The father is a very nice guy and he gave my son the same jacket that his son wears but different color with the RF logo on the sleeve. It is a beautiful jacket. He gave the jacket to my son for FREE. I tried to give his kid $200 but his kid didn't accept it.

@kimguroo ... do you know how to print the logo?
Message sent.
 

AM75

Hall of Fame
Give Uniqlo the break, it was alway said that Federer's outfits are done according to his wishes. The guy obviously have an idea what he wants to wear. All those horrible collars were already quite prominent in his Nike outfits. The guy has no taste, in the end Swiss have no fashion sense whatsoever.
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
Give Uniqlo the break, it was alway said that Federer's outfits are done according to his wishes. The guy obviously have an idea what he wants to wear. All those horrible collars were already quite prominent in his Nike outfits. The guy has no taste, in the end Swiss have no fashion sense whatsoever.
Can you point me at three examples of retro done right in recent iterations the way Uniqlo did it with Fed's RG outfit?

Thanks.

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AM75

Hall of Fame
Can you point me at three examples of retro done right in recent iterations the way Uniqlo did it with Fed's RG outfit?

Thanks.

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My point is that one shouldn't blame Uniqlo for giving Fedr exactly what he wants from them. Ugly collars and ridiculous pyjamas he's wearing are his own fault, but again it was exactly like that during his Nike days. And he knows better because he's friend with Anna Wintour, you know.
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
My point is that one shouldn't blame Uniqlo for giving Fedr exactly what he wants from them. Ugly collars and ridiculous pyjamas he's wearing are his own fault, but again it was exactly like that during his Nike days. And he knows better because he's friend with Anna Wintour, you know.
I got your point the first time. What I am hinting at is that Federer's outfits while not the best out there, are far from bad, and some are exceptionally good. That is why I asked you to point at some "modern retro" outfits done right according to you, as I am interested in what you consider successful.

I despise the AW connection as much as the next guy, and I also know that Federer is not exactly a style behemoth, as seen by his atrocious suits and dress shoes, but the conservative part of his taste is nothing to be ashamed of, and that one shines through most of his current outfits (whether he is instrumental in designing them I don't know, but I really doubt it. The most I envisage him doing is picking colours (which for the most part are very successful in his Uniqlo lines) or being asked which detail he likes more. I don't see him being involved in "designing" his outfits).

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Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
this was Fed’s best red kit by far

No, that was Nike's best red kit by far (as, the best platform for putting the swoosh as the most visible part of the outfit). On the face of it, it is just two plain items with nothing special in them ( a criticism that is widely spread towards his Uniqlo kits nowadays, despite of them being more than just a plain colour with a logo).

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AM75

Hall of Fame
I got your point the first time. What I am hinting at is that Federer's outfits while not the best out there, are far from bad, and some are exceptionally good. That is why I asked you to point at some "modern retro" outfits done right according to you, as I am interested in what you consider successful.

I despise the AW connection as much as the next guy, and I also know that Federer is not exactly a style behemoth, as seen by his atrocious suits and dress shoes, but the conservative part of his taste is nothing to be ashamed of, and that one shines through most of his current outfits (whether he is instrumental in designing them I don't know, but I really doubt it. The most I envisage him doing is picking colours (which for the most part are very successful in his Uniqlo lines) or being asked which detail he likes more. I don't see him being involved in "designing" his outfits).

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Australian Alpina always have very nice, decent archive collections, Ellesse retro styles look good although horrible quality wise lately, and Joma makes good retro polos.
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
Australian Alpina always have very nice, decent archive collections, Ellesse retro styles look good although horrible quality wise lately, and Joma makes good retro polos.
I looked briefly on the websites of all three. There was exactly one item that was semi-decent, and, IMO, it was nowhere near what Uniqlo did with their RG effort.

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AM75

Hall of Fame
I looked briefly on the websites of all three. There was exactly one item that was semi-decent, and, IMO, it was nowhere near what Uniqlo did with their RG effort.

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I suppose tastes are different. I like Nishi's Uniqlo outfits and have couple of items, but I would never buy anything from RF's Uniqlo collection.
 

N01E

Semi-Pro
Got the outfit for a friend. Haven't bought uniqlo RF since '18 Wimbledon, but I've noticed that Shanghai shorts are looser than older ND/NK models where I could go with both S and M. Can't comment on fit of the polo, but I like how the piping is also this brownish colour of the shorts. Shame they didn't go with darker shade of red though (like the pipings from RG).
 
My point is that one shouldn't blame Uniqlo for giving Fedr exactly what he wants from them. Ugly collars and ridiculous pyjamas he's wearing are his own fault, but again it was exactly like that during his Nike days. And he knows better because he's friend with Anna Wintour, you know.
more fashion tips from the fashion police. somehow the kits are selling and blow away what he would have been wearing had he stayed with nike. back to your 70’s bell bottoms and mac gear
 

Rhino

Legend
Uniqlo signing Federer was probably just a vanity purchase for the owner. If I had billions of dollars and a massive clothing company I would sign him too, just because I'm a huge fan.

From Federer's point of view, he probably misses all the cool sneakers and gear that he had as a Nike athlete (yes I know he still wears Nike shoes but it's just not the same), but it's hard to say no to $300mill. In his heart of hearts he probably thinks Uniqlo is a bit naff compared to Nike but he'll live with it to become the worlds first billionaire tennis player.
 

JoelDali

G.O.A.T.
Uniqlo signing Federer was probably just a vanity purchase for the owner. If I had billions of dollars and a massive clothing company I would sign him too, just because I'm a huge fan.

From Federer's point of view, he probably misses all the cool sneakers and gear that he had as a Nike athlete (yes I know he still wears Nike shoes but it's just not the same), but it's hard to say no to $300mill. In his heart of hearts he probably thinks Uniqlo is a bit naff compared to Nike but he'll live with it to become the worlds first billionaire tennis player.
Uniqlo is a disgrace to Federerer’s unblemished legacy.

A dark stain. The immortal Nike kit pics that have been posted in defiance secure the claim.

Killing off the Nike RF legacy was beyond fail.

Uniqlo will never attain Epic Tennis Style Immortality status of the Borg Fila kits, the McEnroe Sergio Tacchini kits or the Nike RF kits.
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
Uniqlo is a disgrace to Federerer’s unblemished legacy.

A dark stain. The immortal Nike kit pics that have been posted in defiance secure the claim.

Killing off the Nike RF legacy was beyond fail.

Uniqlo will never attain Epic Tennis Style Immortality status of the Borg Fila kits, the McEnroe Sergio Tacchini kits or the Nike RF kits.
.... and the Adidas green and slime pink 4.0 spider vein league immortality. Don't forget that!

:-D
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
Uniqlo signing Federer was probably just a vanity purchase for the owner. If I had billions of dollars and a massive clothing company I would sign him too, just because I'm a huge fan.

From Federer's point of view, he probably misses all the cool sneakers and gear that he had as a Nike athlete (yes I know he still wears Nike shoes but it's just not the same), but it's hard to say no to $300mill. In his heart of hearts he probably thinks Uniqlo is a bit naff compared to Nike but he'll live with it to become the worlds first billionaire tennis player.
I don't think that it was. He is actively promoting Uniqlo gear, and that goes against the laissez-faire type of attitude typical for such extravagant whims (and no, no one who thought about satisfying his ego in such a way, would start thinking about how to offset such costs. Not someone who can spent 300 mil dollars on such a whim).

From what I have seen Federer now wears sports shoes other than Nikes off the court, so he must not be missing the "cool sneakers" as he is in no official relationship with the company the products of which he wears (ON), so he can pick and choose whatever he wants, yet he wears something else. I appreciate the effort to speak about what is within Federer's "heart", but I will take that statement with a grain of salt, seeing that it is coming from a shoe collector to whom Nike is probably the best company (for his personal satisfaction too) as far as image is concerned. Playing the "money takes care of all" card as an explanation is a bit rich to throw in the allegiances arena. Federer didn't become Nike athlete because he thought highly of their products, but because they offered him the most money. It is the same deal with Uniqlo, so how in one case allegiances are "the heart of hearts" matter and in the other simply a matter of money is quite the curious leap of logic.

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Rhino

Legend
Federer didn't become Nike athlete because he thought highly of their products, but because they offered him the most money.
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And yet he continues to wear them on court despite not being sponsored by them. Isn't this the biggest, most convincing endorsement an elite athlete can ever make? He actually chooses to wear Nike shoes without a deal! That means so much more than wearing a brand because they give you 300 million dollars to do so. Nike must be loving this.
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
And yet he continues to wear them on court despite not being sponsored by them. Isn't this the biggest, most convincing endorsement an elite athlete can ever make? He actually chooses to wear Nike shoes without a deal! That means so much more than wearing a brand because they give you 300 million dollars to do so. Nike must be loving this.
Please, provide proof of the bolded in the first sentence , and in general that he doesn't have a shoe contract for on court shoes with Nike.

If you can't that means that you are speculating for the purpose of picturing Nike in one particular light.

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Rhino

Legend
Please, provide proof of the bolded in the first sentence , and in general that he doesn't have a shoe contract for on court shoes with Nike.

If you can't that means that you are speculating for the purpose of picturing Nike in one particular light.

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Federer lists all his sponsors on his website:

 

TMCW140

Hall of Fame
That is not what I asked you to provide.

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Not remotely getting into this echo chamber of a conversation, but to be fair, Federer was definitely quoted about being happy to wear nike at Halle when he was out of contract pre-Wimbledon/Uniqlo. Something along the lines of being supportive throughout his career, so no problem wearing out of contract etc
 
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