Federer Should Wildcard Monte Carlo
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guitarra
Professional
Not sure, Meles, if that's a good idea. He's not 21 any more after all. Needs to pick up events to play very carefully. Cannot jump from one extreme to another, from not playing clay at all to playing full clay schedule. I think Madrid + Roland Garros is just fine.
Additionally, I think it's Dominic's time to stop Nadal.
Additionally, I think it's Dominic's time to stop Nadal.
TheMaestro1990
Hall of Fame
So... Fed GOAT? [emoji16]
I Am Finnish
Bionic Poster
Will fedr play Rome if he loses early in Madrid?
I Am Finnish
Bionic Poster
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
You don't have to consider the idea of Fed playing MC because it's not happening. Sev just said again in Dubai that the transition for Roger on clay this year will be "careful and slow" (vorsichtig und langsam) with a two week intensive training block prior to Madrid. Fed has also dismissed that he will accept a WC into MC saying, "we'll be on vacation, sorry."
Pointless thread. Sorry, Meles.
helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
Many, many reasons:
1. His form is actually building right now and its starting to look like shades of 2017, but betterer. No tough matches at Miami and Isner final will not tax him. In 2017, Bendych and Kyrgios took him to three sets in back to back matches and he needed the time off. That's just not the case now.
2. Federer is playing Madrid (confirmed on entry list) and RG. Two weeks off and then Monte Carlo would be the perfect addition to his schedule to keep his form sharp without overdoing it (Madrid two weeks after MC). Skip Rome and he gets another two weeks off before RG. (Madrid/Rome back to back would be insane.)
3. Fed's new backhand might take extremely well on clay as he'll have plenty of time to really unload.
4. With Miami win Federer is 2100 points behind Nadal who has bad knee and defends MC, Barcelona, and Rome titles (2680 points with Madrid QF). If Federer can amass nearly 1000 points on clay (final and SF) he might pass Nadal for 2nd seed at RG.
5. Not playing Monte Carlo risks Thiem overtaking him for 4th seed at RG and then the chance of very hard draw at RG. (Thiem playing three masters on clay and Barcelona has good chance of winning one of them, more if Nadal's knee causes him to drop Madrid, Barcelona and/or Rome to rest for RG.)
6. Would add tremendously to his legacy and if his last year on clay, why not make a full go of it.
7. Federer has never won Monte Carlo and with Djoko reeling and Rafa heeling, time to strike.
I don't ask much and Fresherer looks clearly up to the task.
If I were Federer, I would play Monte Carlo, Rome, and RG, and skip Madrid. What benefit does playing Madrid offer him? Okay, it's probably the one claycourt event he might actually win. But it won't be very good preparation for RG compared to the other two events.
ForehandRF
Legend
Sport
G.O.A.T.
Montecarlo plays more like RG than Rome.A better choice would be Rome and RG imo
Mainad
Bionic Poster
RG is in a suburb of Paris which is nowhere near the sea!
Sport
G.O.A.T.
I hate you Mainad haha. I was about to delete my comment as soon as I saw the mistake, but you were too fast for me. Now people will laugh at that ridiculous mistake.
ForehandRF
Legend
That's true, but Rome is closer to RG in terms of schedule and also more prestigious.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
I hate you Mainad haha. I was about to delete my comment as soon as I saw the mistake, but you were too fast for me. Now people will laugh at that ridiculous mistake.
helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
In my opinion, there isn't much in it. I would agree that, these days, Monte Carlo is marginally more like RG. But that is mostly because of scheduling and not because of anything fundamental about the locations: Rome has night matches, where Monte Carlo and Rome do not. Night matches are rather different from day matches. (Federer handled Wawrinka pretty easily in an evening match in Rome in 2015, but Wawrinka manhandled him in a day match in Paris a few weeks later. While part of that was the result of Wawrinka being inconsistent, the conditions also helped Wawrinka much more in Paris). If Rome abolished night matches, I think it would also be very like Paris.
It's also partly dependent on weather: Monte Carlo and Rome would tend to be warmer than Paris, except that they are played earlier in the year.
helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
Hah! @Sport If anything, Paris is the outlier here - it is much further from the sea than is Rome. By my estimate, the Foro Italico is no more than 40 kilometers from the coast. Paris is more than 160 km (so more than 100 miles) from the nearest coastal point.
Sport
G.O.A.T.
I don't think there is a significant difference in climate between Montecarlo and Paris. Montecarlo is near of Paris, after all, Montecarlo is just next to France.
And in RG we tipically have very sunny matches like these:
AceSalvo
Legend
A better choice would be Rome and RG imo
Fed is trying to keep his HC form intact and carry it into Wimb. So Madrid was a good choice.
All this clay stuff is match practice and a lot of PR. Have to make up for the last 2 years.
van_Loederen
Professional
^yeah, i think that too many people were not amused that the great Roger F, who embodies tennis, didn't show up at RG
ak24alive
Legend
Fraud and dirt. What a beauty.
Can't wait for Madrid.
But this clay season gonna be difficult for Fed.
The guy can't make a passing shot ffs.
If opponents notice that which they will, they will start coming more and more to the net and get easy points.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Raining hopes
Hall of Fame
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
Wrong. Stylish Fed in MC with Royalty is all we need.
Gritty Ned is anticlimactic.
ak24alive
Legend
Preach
BasilashvilitheGOAT
Rookie
I don't think he will play Monte Carlo. However I do think that he should.
ibbi
G.O.A.T.
Remember in the summer of 2017 where things were going so well for him and he decided to add the Rogers Cup to his schedule, and BAM derailed the rest of his god damn year. He's two years older than he was then, and I think it's fairly safe to say not in quite as rich form.
Adding any more to his schedule to risk his ability to get the points he's already aiming for seems dumb. Things are so lame right now the ranking hardly matters anyway.
Adding any more to his schedule to risk his ability to get the points he's already aiming for seems dumb. Things are so lame right now the ranking hardly matters anyway.
OldschoolKIaus
Hall of Fame
Ban OP's avatar!
helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
Monte Carlo is about 900 km (almost 600 miles) south of Paris. It is a fair bit warmer and is closer to Rome than to Paris, although not quite so hot as Rome. But the Monte Carlo event is held in mid April and Roland Garros is in late May and early June. So the tournament weather is similar. If RG were held in mid April, it would often be really cool. If Monte Carlo were held in early June, it could be quite hot there.
Federer and Del Potro
Bionic Poster
Call him berdych or birdich in this case since we are talking pigeonsIf Nextgen does not include Thiem or Kyrgios and strictly is players that have been at Milan well then this is not much of a surprise.
The problem is their geriatric pigeons and the original lostgen who created a vacuum in the middle rankings that NextGen are scampering in to fill rather nicely.
Some on TTW have tempered the Big 3's slam bonanza siting changes in the game, but its becoming clearerer and clearerer that all three plus Murray and Stanimal are all very special players. You can't expect that kind of greatness to be displaced, only replaced.
Actually even Birdman intentionally mispronounces his name due to marketing reasons.
Sartorius
Hall of Fame
Many, many reasons:
1. His form is actually building right now and its starting to look like shades of 2017, but betterer. No tough matches at Miami and Isner final will not tax him. In 2017, Bendych and Kyrgios took him to three sets in back to back matches and he needed the time off. That's just not the case now.
2. Federer is playing Madrid (confirmed on entry list) and RG. Two weeks off and then Monte Carlo would be the perfect addition to his schedule to keep his form sharp without overdoing it (Madrid two weeks after MC). Skip Rome and he gets another two weeks off before RG. (Madrid/Rome back to back would be insane.)
3. Fed's new backhand might take extremely well on clay as he'll have plenty of time to really unload.
4. With Miami win Federer is 2100 points behind Nadal who has bad knee and defends MC, Barcelona, and Rome titles (2680 points with Madrid QF). If Federer can amass nearly 1000 points on clay (final and SF) he might pass Nadal for 2nd seed at RG.
5. Not playing Monte Carlo risks Thiem overtaking him for 4th seed at RG and then the chance of very hard draw at RG. (Thiem playing three masters on clay and Barcelona has good chance of winning one of them, more if Nadal's knee causes him to drop Madrid, Barcelona and/or Rome to rest for RG.)
6. Would add tremendously to his legacy and if his last year on clay, why not make a full go of it.
7. Federer has never won Monte Carlo and with Djoko reeling and Rafa heeling, time to strike.
I don't ask much and Fresherer looks clearly up to the task.
Meles
Bionic Poster
Points are points and the WC wildcard would put Federe in range of Nadal who might make the fatal mistake of over playing before RG. This only happens if Fed snaps out of it and plays MC.
Meles
Bionic Poster
Ye of little faith in the new Federe backhand, yet to be unleashed on clay.
Djoko formidable and ready to roll back the years to around 2011.
Meles
Bionic Poster
The timing is amazing: win Miami, two weeks off, win MC, two weeks off, win Madric, two weeks off, win RG, one week off, win Halle, one week off and then lose to Raonic at Wimbledon.
Meles
Bionic Poster
Tennis flights of fancy are the point on TTW.You don't have to consider the idea of Fed playing MC because it's not happening. Sev just said again in Dubai that the transition for Roger on clay this year will be "careful and slow" (vorsichtig und langsam) with a two week intensive training block prior to Madrid. Fed has also dismissed that he will accept a WC into MC saying, "we'll be on vacation, sorry."
Pointless thread. Sorry, Meles.
Luka888
Professional
Madrid? I don't want to derail this thread but it should go back to Hamburg. It was organized so well. Great crowd. That was good stuff. I can't believe that Germany does not have masters tournaments any more .
I don't think Madrid is that important to Fed. He might not even show up there. Same with Djokovic. I just have some ugly memories about Madrid trying too hard to experiment with different courts, this and that ... Even Rafa doesn't like it that much. What coulor of clay are they going to use this year? PINK? Are they going back to HC? Um
. I don't think Madrid is that important to Fed. He might not even show up there. Same with Djokovic. I just have some ugly memories about Madrid trying too hard to experiment with different courts, this and that ... Even Rafa doesn't like it that much
. What coulor of clay are they going to use this year? PINK? Are they going back to HC? Um
Meles
Bionic Poster
Handwringering nonsense. Time to unleash the new backhand on clay for the first time.
stringertom
Bionic Poster
He also is scared of dogs, man’s best friend. Just another reason to root against him.
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
Why on Earth would he care about points at this time in his career?
The cost/benefit of overplaying just to become the 2 seed in tournaments is definitely not worth it.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
100% true, but when people engage in flights of fancy centering around the distant future ("Nole will win 30 slams, guaranteed") that's different than speculating on an event taking place in another week which Fed has already said he won't play.
Ann
Hall of Fame
I'm aware of his record but I'm also aware that he's already won a Grand Slam in 2019. You're point was pointless, Monty Python deserved better.
Nadal_Django
Legend
trailgraves
New User
Smart too. A 37/38 year old coveting a final slam somewhere should not be playing a whole clay season for no real purpose, even if it is the great Federer. Play 1 or 2 events to stay sharp and be ready and yet rested fir grass and Wimbledon. I am sure Serena will take the same approach.
trailgraves
New User
Staying sharp and preparing for Wimbledon is most important. Playing on clay at all is just to keep match play and form up at this point. He is never winning RG again so ample preparation for RG is unimportant. Madrid being the fastest clay court is part of the best prep for the grass season and Wimbledon.
Ann
Hall of Fame
I know but people that post here need to develop a slightly longer-term memory. LOLOn this forum, you're only as good as your last match performance. It's the forum rule number 1 or something.
