Federer Still Holds The Advantage Across Five Titles That Matter Most

BlueHorizon

New User
Djokovic. Federer
AO 9. 6
FO 2. 1
W 6. 8
UO 3. 5
ATP. 5. 6

Federer still leads 3-2 across the five most important titles in tennis
Federer also has a winning record in 4/5 Finals
AO, W, US, ATP
Djokovic has winning record in 3/5 Finals
AO, W, ATP

Djokovic has more work to do
 

NiCo515

Rookie
ATP YE Finals are wildly overrated in value. I'm not sure they're even as valuable as some of the stronger master's tournaments like Indian Wells. I'm not trying to present an argument as this is clearly junk-level bait, but I'm sick of seeing this money-grab tournament listed as somehow superior to regular master's events. Giving it 1500 points is a joke.
 

AceSalvo

Legend
H2H used to matter but not who leads each of the top 5 events in Tennis history.

How can you be GOAT when you trail someone at multiple top events.
 

Spencer Gore

Hall of Fame
The year end finals have lost the significance they once had. Same as the Davis Cup, which used to feel almost as significant as the slams. It's sad, but that's how tennis evolves.
 

itrium84

Hall of Fame
Djokovic. Federer
AO 9. 6
FO 2. 1
W 6. 8
UO 3. 5
ATP. 5. 6

Federer still leads 3-2 across the five most important titles in tennis
Federer also has a winning record in 4/5 Finals
AO, W, US, ATP
Djokovic has winning record in 3/5 Finals
AO, W, ATP

Djokovic has more work to do
As the GOAT, he has nothing more to do, except stopping Nadal from winning few more slams (which would make Rafa GOAT competitor).
 

MadariKatu

Professional
Djokovic has now clearly the best resume. If you base your goat opinion on numbers is a different thing, but don't try to twist it. Djokovic has a DCGS and double golden masters, the same record amount of grand slams, 1 more year end #1 (and probably ends up 2021 at the top as well), tied record at number of masters1000 and record weeks at #1.

To me Federer will alway be the goat, but I never based my opinion on numbers or the records he had, so Djoko having better numbers doesn't change my perspective.
 
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duaneeo

Legend
So 8 extra Masters titles aren’t worth ONE WTF? Lol
Masters can't fairly be compared because many had BO5 finals during most of Federer's peak years, as did other tournaments (he played in 11 BO5 finals in 2006). Peak Federer often skipped multiple Masters each season.
 

AceSalvo

Legend
What real GOAT's do. Djoks can get to 30 slams for the care of the world. Fedr made his bed and sleeps happily ever after.

"Roger Federer is the world's highest-paid athlete for the first time ever. Here's how he earned $106 million last year."

"Roger Federer is the 7th highest-paid athlete of 2021 with earnings of $90 million, no other tennis player features in top 10"
 
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Deleted member 771911

Guest
YEC don’t matter. Many experts have Nadal as GOAT without it.
 

Bud

Bionic Poster
Djokovic. Federer
AO 9. 6
FO 2. 1
W 6. 8
UO 3. 5
ATP. 5. 6

Federer still leads 3-2 across the five most important titles in tennis
Federer also has a winning record in 4/5 Finals
AO, W, US, ATP
Djokovic has winning record in 3/5 Finals
AO, W, ATP

Djokovic has more work to do
The bottom line is Djok will eclipse both Nadal and Federer if he pulls ahead by 1 more GS. You can make all the excuses you like about importance of certain titles. The same goes for both Nadal and Federer if they best the others by 1 GS.
 

jhick

Hall of Fame
I'm a huge Fed fan, but at the end of the day Djokovic will be better than him as well as Nadal. Of course part of the equation includes staying injury free or only having minor injuries and Djoker has had a little better luck in that cateogry. All 3 players have had incredible careers. No need to discuss weak era's. Each era have their own strengths and weaknesses and IMO they can not be compared.
 

Tennisbg

Professional
What real GOAT's do. Djoks can get to 30 slams for the care of the world. Fedr made his bed and sleeps happily ever after.

"Roger Federer is the world's highest-paid athlete for the first time ever. Here's how he earned $106 million last year."

"Roger Federer is the 7th highest-paid athlete of 2021 with earnings of $90 million, no other tennis player features in top 10"
We are talking about tennis, not about $. What does money have to do with tennis records?
 

AceSalvo

Legend
We are talking about tennis, not about $. What does money have to do with tennis records?
I am pretty sure that post had something related to tennis.

GOAT'hood brings you a lot of intangibles like the most popular player, the most liked, the most watched, etc. It just so happens Fedr leads in every single category and hence the top billed tennis player. There will be players more successful than Fedr but Fedr will always lead everywhere else.
 

AceSalvo

Legend
I'm sure Rolex will lead with this in case they decide to backtrack on their "numbers are meaningless" stance.
Rolex will wait for a man to land on Mars before any sort of backtracking. I am glad Rolex knows what they are doing unlike folks on TW.
 

Tennisbg

Professional
I am pretty sure that post had something related to tennis.

GOAT'hood brings you a lot of intangibles like the most popular player, the most liked, the most watched, etc. It just so happens Fedr leads in every single category and hence the top billed tennis player. There will be players more successful than Fedr but Fedr will always lead everywhere else.
GOAT=Greatest of all time - money cant buy you that title.
 
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