Federer -- "String Technology Changed The Game In 2000"
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SpinToWin
Talk Tennis Guru
Come on, man.
"When it launched the BIG BANGER ORIGINAL in 1991 and the BIG BANGER ALU POWER in 1994, it was clear this string was different..." -http://www.luxilon.be/sport
TennisManiac
Hall of Fame
Luxilon came out in the early 90's. So surely Federer can't be talking about that right?
joe sch
Legend
Federer stringed his racquets at 21.5 kg mains/20 kg crosses pre stretched 20%, using Wilson Natural Gut 16 gauge for his main strings and Luxilon Big Banger ALU Power Rough 16L gauge (polyester) for his cross strings.
Correction: "String Technology Changed The Game In 1990"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Federer
Say Chi Sin Lo
G.O.A.T.
Does anyone know why this matter?
Povl Carstensen
Legend
If one is interested, it is interesting, if one is not interested, it does not matter.
Irvin
Talk Tennis Guru
Not sure but I know Tommy Hass did
It takes quite a bit of time for players to adopt new technology.
So yes, he must have been talking about Luxilon. That's around when it became a big hit on tour.
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It matters because this is a forum. So we should just talk about life or death things?
I can beat you if you stop using polyester.
Around the similar time frame, courts got slower and bouncier. In fact, characteristics of all courts(hard, grass) converge to common ground.
The type of balls used are also similar in all tournaments worldwide while they were hardly regulated before ~2000.
And these balls are now touch heavier and hairs are much more densely packed.
All these gave greater advantages to baseliners and abrupt changes into baseline game between 2000-2004, IMHO.
That's part of the reasons why we have only handful of players dominating entire ATP tour since 2000 or so....
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Irvin
Talk Tennis Guru
“Coming up on tour I played with all gut until 2002,” Federer said. “And then I switched from the 85 to the 90 square inch racquet in 2002 before Rome. Then I think I won Hamburg with it, with the half and half (gut and Luxilon). Ever since I play with the same combination. I’ve never switched Luxilon or gut in the main or the crosses. I’ve always kept it the same way. I do believe it’s revolutionized the game to some degree. You can play with more topspin. With the same swing you could not find angles that we find in today’s game.
Raul_SJ
G.O.A.T.
I can beat you if you stop using polyester.
I've always been using the Wilson NXT String. Is that different than polyester string?
Wilson NXT String.
Best Seller One the best playing synthetic strings on the market.
Multifilament construction that looks, feels, and plays very much like Natural Gut.
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JT_2eighty
Hall of Fame
This not matter but it forum which mean people like talk about thing
Of course. They are not polyester. It all started from Luxilon.
Ever wondered why people around you hitting balls that bounce high to you eye level ?
Say Chi Sin Lo
G.O.A.T.
Of course. They are not polyester. It all started from Luxilon.
Ever wondered why people around you hitting balls that bounce high to you eye level ?
Because they have better technique and are overall better players?
Hmm......., yes and no.
These days, there are definitely a lot more players hit bouncy balls compared to pre-polyester era.
There are many top spinners who are not necessarily "better overall".
Lambsscroll
Hall of Fame
Might be how the new pollys work with gut. He was a full gut player prior to his famous hybrid.
PBODY99
Legend
Guga won with Lux @ the French in 1997. The 1st generation polys like Super Smash Honey had been used by clay court players
The courts were slowed and by 2000 the switch hit the tipping point.
They could speed the game up, if they wanted to, but the powers that be like what the see.
The increased physical nature of the game in tied to the angles and shape you can now generate.
While James Scott Connors had hip replacement, you see far more of the current generation going down due to the nature of the game. POly is just a contributing factor.
I find far too many people playing poly that don't need it.
The courts were slowed and by 2000 the switch hit the tipping point.
They could speed the game up, if they wanted to, but the powers that be like what the see.
The increased physical nature of the game in tied to the angles and shape you can now generate.
While James Scott Connors had hip replacement, you see far more of the current generation going down due to the nature of the game. POly is just a contributing factor.
I find far too many people playing poly that don't need it.
I think the primary reason for slowing the courts was Sampras' domination and complaints that his style was boring. They didn't want to risk another guy coming behind him and carrying the torch. I don't believe they anticipated that the changes they made would ultimately work in unison with the new string and racquet technology to get the game we have today.
That is just my guess.
That is just my guess.
Raul_SJ
G.O.A.T.
Of course. They are not polyester. It all started from Luxilon.
Ever wondered why people around you hitting balls that bounce high to you eye level ?
Okay, I will try out the Wilson poly string
And The Wilson Revolve poly is also much cheaper than the Wilson NXT strings.
Wilson Revolve is a comfortably firm co-poly that is well suited to players with long, fast strokes. Like the best control strings, Revolve provides tremendous precision and predictability on the biggest swings. It also features a unique molecular structure and a proprietary additive designed to increase the string's ability to deflect and snap back (see heavy spin). Offering higher comfort than a traditional polyester, Revolve is a great option for intermediate and advanced players looking for durability, control and spin.
Gauge: 16/1.30mm
Length: 40ft / 12.2 m
Composition Co-polymer Monofilament
Colors: Black, White, Orange
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Yes, Sampras, Goran, Becker serve shoot outs at Wimbledon and USO pushed the tour toward slower higher bouncing courts. Combine that with the explosion of Lux resulting in more control and spin and we end up with baseline bash-a-thons instead of serve shoot outs. The game might have gone too far toward the baseline direction at least that's my view. If we are going to let pros use poly, maybe restrict the head size (85") and beam width (20mm). Let's find out who can really play.
For the record, I enjoy tennis as it is, so I'm not calling for some change.
I just don't think the powers that be anticipated how the poly strings would work in combination to change the game as it has. I believe they anticipated giving baseliners a better chance, not virtually eliminating serve-and-volley from the game.
SCRAP IRON
Professional
Okay, I will try out the Wilson poly string
And The Wilson Revolve poly is also much cheaper than the Wilson NXT strings.
Wilson Revolve is a comfortably firm co-poly that is well suited to players with long, fast strokes. Like the best control strings, Revolve provides tremendous precision and predictability on the biggest swings. It also features a unique molecular structure and a proprietary additive designed to increase the string's ability to deflect and snap back (see heavy spin). Offering higher comfort than a traditional polyester, Revolve is a great option for intermediate and advanced players looking for durability, control and spin.
Gauge: 16/1.30mm
Length: 40ft / 12.2 m
Composition Co-polymer Monofilament
Colors: Black, White, Orange
This dude knows the difference between Poly and Multi strings- He is a professional poster!
danbrenner
Legend
because it does. why r u so negative about everything. u are one ugly poster. why even bother posting.
BlueB
Legend
Oh boy, not this again. ..
Backhanded Compliment
Legend
The extreme topspin that Guga was able to impart with that backhand using a full poly setup of lux was a tactical advancement. Sure he could hit flat dribes but it was the extreme topspin deep or at extreme angles that really opened up the court for him. Considered a claycourter at first by 2001 he became the #1 player in the world using fullpoly indoors beating both Sampras and Agassi in succession. In someways he's a template for Rafa... though hes far more extreme off the forehand and not the same kind of all court player Guga played...even at the French Open.
Federer has called him perhaps the most stylish player ever... its a shame his body couldnt stay healthy for a long strong career. 3 FO's isnt bad though.
Federer has called him perhaps the most stylish player ever... its a shame his body couldnt stay healthy for a long strong career. 3 FO's isnt bad though.
torpantennis
Legend
^Would've been great to see multiple Guga-Rafa match ups at RG!
Raul_SJ
G.O.A.T.
As I said I never thought about what type of strings I was using...
Which one of the strings on the Wilson page is the Poly string Federer was talking about?
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/WilsonString.html
Which one of the strings on the Wilson page is the Poly string Federer was talking about?
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/WilsonString.html
Irvin
Talk Tennis Guru
Federer uses Champion's Choice
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Wilson_Champions_Choice_Hybrid_16_String/descpageACWILSON-WCC16.html
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Wilson_Champions_Choice_Hybrid_16_String/descpageACWILSON-WCC16.html
Say Chi Sin Lo
G.O.A.T.
It's called keeping it real, deal with it.
Lambsscroll
Hall of Fame
I do, He wants to know if the hybrid made a dramatic change in Federers ranking.
BTW Say Chi Sin Lo, are you still using a full bed of natural gut at 55 pounds? Or does this even matter?
Say Chi Sin Lo
G.O.A.T.
... ? I never used full bed of natural gut...
(pac classic/co-focus 55/51)Bought a batch of Klip Legend 15L, not feeling it, going back to Pacific Classic 16 soon.
racquetreligion
Hall of Fame
Povl Carstensen
Legend
Interesting!... ? I never used full bed of natural gut...
Bought a batch of Klip Legend 15L, not feeling it, going back to Pacific Classic 16 soon.
