abmk
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You just don't have any response, that's it ! I might've exaggerated a bit there, but that is nothing compared to saying agassi played federer tough from 2003 when he had a 0-8 record against him since then.
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You just don't have any response, that's it ! I might've exaggerated a bit there, but that is nothing compared to saying agassi played federer tough from 2003 when he had a 0-8 record against him since then.
abmk
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Nalbandian actually beat federer in USO 2003
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The bolded parts are the clearly illustrate why this post does need even warrant a response!!!!!LOL @ blinded and or don't listen !If federer is in the zone, there isn't too much that agassi can do against him since he hits flat , right into federer's strike zone. Which is one of the reasons why I think agassi said that there was nowhere to go against federer when he was on or something similar to that.
Only if federer is slightly off, then only the UE count from federer would increase and agassi would have more chances. Agassi is NOT a bad matchup for federer.
You just don't have any response, that's it ! I might've exaggerated a bit there, but that is nothing compared to saying agassi played federer tough from 2003 when he had a 0-8 record against him since then.
I'll speak to you in a language you can understand.....
"Federer is the almighty as far as tennis is concerned, he can do no wrong when he's on a tennis court or has a racquet in his hand. The only time he's threatend or pushed is due to his own doing, and playing up to his usual playing standards (you the one which no other player can see with a telescope), not due to anything the player on the other side of the net does."
Am I speaking your language now?? I just don't have response, you're absolutely right. Federer breezed through his 4 wins over Agassi cuz Federer just can't be touched. The reason Federer struggled in the other half of his victories (twice in slams) had absolutely nothing to with Agassi at all, or matchup issues, it was Fed who never played well on those occasions. The same cannot apply for Dre, cuz every time Dre steps on the court and Federer is on the other side of the net Agassi is automatically at his pinnacle, and Federer with a torn MCL, playing with his left hand will still straight set him.
Federer .... all praises due.
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Federer was a terrible match-up for Agassi though, in the same respect as how Safin is a bad match-up for Agassi also. Federer can do everything Andre can do, and better in some respects (forehand, backhand variety, defense, movement, etc). Andre maybe does two things better than Federer (backhand and return of serve), while Federer has a plethora of things that he does better than Andre.
Also what abmk said is true. Federer in general hits outside of Agassi's strike zones, while Agassi hits flat balls, which is perfect for Federer who uses a mild-SW grip / extreme eastern grip, and a eastern backhand grip, all which are suited for hitting low to mid level balls.
The matches that were competitive were generally because Federer pulled a lollygaggle (after Federer demolished Agassi in the 1st set of the USO 05 final, he kinda just disappeared and woke up in the 3rd, then blew past Agassi in the 4th), or the weather conditions were not favorable towards Federer (the 04 QF match had tons of wind).
Agassi WAS competitive a few matches, but more times than not, Federer literally blew him off the court.
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abmk
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Out of those 7 matches, federer played well in only 4 of them - 2 of which he won, madrid masters and TMC match ; even murray played well in 4 of them ( all of their matches post 2008 except USO ) . All I can say at roger being in his prime for all those 7 and murray wasn't is lol
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IMO the Fed v. Murray thing from this point forward will only be settled if they start meeting in Majors regularly.
Fed had stated early last year that he intended to focus on the Majors over everything else. I'll take him at his word.
Murray has joined the elite by getting himself truly fit. Fed's newer stated approach carries risks but I think, in the big picture, it is his best approach allowing him the freedom of re-kindling some of his dormant skills in matchplay in smaller events and then bringing them into the events he stated he was going to prioritize. The risk of course is losing his aura of invincibility by treating matchplay as practice and opponents then "believing" v. Fed at the Majors.
Let it play out. We'll see.
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Fed had stated early last year that he intended to focus on the Majors over everything else. I'll take him at his word.
Murray has joined the elite by getting himself truly fit. Fed's newer stated approach carries risks but I think, in the big picture, it is his best approach allowing him the freedom of re-kindling some of his dormant skills in matchplay in smaller events and then bringing them into the events he stated he was going to prioritize. The risk of course is losing his aura of invincibility by treating matchplay as practice and opponents then "believing" v. Fed at the Majors.
Let it play out. We'll see.
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abmk
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I assume you are talking about the present-day federer and murray ?
The only thing for sure that Murray has over Fed is youth and hunger.
And in the Majors, after last year, the latter is in doubt.
Murray improved all of the elements you described as compared to himself. But clearly better than Fed? Murray registered wins not routs, and those wins were in events that Fed had stated, well before Murray's emergence as a contender in the second half of last year, that would no longer be his priority. When it came to a priority, a Major, there was a rout and it went the other way.
Again if both Fed and Murray find their way to the AO final, we'll see. Maybe it will signal a change in the order, I don't know. Or if Fed gets there and Murray doesn't or vice versa it won't be by luck it will be what is. But until they start facing each other in late rounds of Majors the above described break down of game elements reads like massive overstatement IMO.
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