Federer to end year as world number #2?

Mainad

Mainad

Bionic Poster
When he defends Basel at the end of this week (almost certain) he will regain the world number #2 ranking as his Basel points from last year and Murray's Valencia points from last year have already dropped off and Murray is not playing this week.

Given that Federer usually does better than Murray in the last 2 season-ending events (Paris and WTF) enhanced by the fact that Murray has already threatened not even to play WTF because of his Davis Cup commitment, does this now mean Federer is almost a shoo-in to end the season as World number #2 again?

So yet another lost opportunity for Murray to improve his year-end ranking? :(
 
It won't be the end of the world
Mean a few more tickets available at the O2, which must be good, and some touts getting burned
 
Look at the race mate, not the rankings.

Murray is about 1100 clear of Fed. So Fed needs to accumulate 1100 points more than Murray does in the 3 tournament.s

So if Fed wins Basel then that will be down to 600, making it possible for Fed but still tough.

Advantage Murray

Also I don't take Murray's threat seriously, think it was just mind games to try and bluff the Belgians into picking Hard Court.
 
mattosgrant said:
Murray is a complete idiot if he doesnt play the WTF. That is all. Rest for Davis Cup, LOL! Give me a break. It is a good warm up for Davis Cup. It isnt even a best of 5 tournament.
Click to expand...

The problem is the change of surface because the DC final will be played on clay and Murray wants to get some practice on clay before the tie takes place and there won't be much time between the WTF and the DC final.

That said, I feel almost certain he will play WTF. I hope he does, anyway. It just doesn't look good now for his hopes of finishing the season and starting the new one as world number #2.
 
Chicharito said:
Look at the race mate, not the rankings.

Murray is about 1100 clear of Fed. So Fed needs to accumulate 1100 points more than Murray does in the 3 tournament.s

So if Fed wins Basel then that will be down to 600, making it possible for Fed but still tough.

Advantage Murray

Also I don't take Murray's threat seriously, think it was just mind games to try and bluff the Belgians into picking Hard Court.
Click to expand...

I'm thinking ahead to next year's Australian Open and Murray's chances to head the bottom half of the draw and not have to face both Djokovic and Federer before the final!
 
Murray will probably win 350 points with his DC victory. Collect a few points in Paris and the WTF and he's set.

Fed is defending Basel, and 1000 points at the Tour Finals.
 
Murray is 1100 clear of Fed, so he would be 600 ahead after Basel. He MUST win two singles rubber for Briton so that's extra 150 points. So 750 is not bad lead. He will be seeded 2nd (am I right) for Bercy so he won't meet Novak till final. So, if he plays well in Bercy, he can keep his no.2 ranking.
 
Have some faith in Andy. I feel like he'll play better than you think in the upcoming clutch moments.
 
Murray should be able to hold his #2 spot. I'll be very surprised if he doesn't, even if he skips the WTF's completely. Federer has to defend Basel, and he's not the best in Paris. Then he's got 1000 points to defend at the WTF's. Murray has almost nothing to defend in comparison, plus he has DC and Federer's pts from that will drop as well.
 
Mainad said:
The problem is the change of surface because the DC final will be played on clay and Murray wants to get some practice on clay before the tie takes place and there won't be much time between the WTF and the DC final.

That said, I feel almost certain he will play WTF. I hope he does, anyway. It just doesn't look good now for his hopes of finishing the season and starting the new one as world number #2.
Click to expand...

Good point. I forgot Davis Cup final is on clay. However Murray should win both his matches no problem against his opponents, given his form on clay this year. He doesnt need even more extra preperation to do so IMO. It is his choice though.
 
1100pts over #3. If Federer wins 1100+ more that Murray mostly on slow hardcourts in the next 4 weeks, all I could say to Murray is:

image.png
 
Mainad said:
The problem is the change of surface because the DC final will be played on clay and Murray wants to get some practice on clay before the tie takes place and there won't be much time between the WTF and the DC final.

That said, I feel almost certain he will play WTF. I hope he does, anyway. It just doesn't look good now for his hopes of finishing the season and starting the new one as world number #2.
Click to expand...

Here's an interesting article about the whole situation you might like.

In any case, given his points lead, it seems that the #2 ranking is on Murray's racquet, so it's up to him to find a level that will outdo Federer through the closing stages of the year.
 
mattosgrant said:
Murray is a complete idiot if he doesnt play the WTF. That is all. Rest for Davis Cup, LOL! Give me a break. It is a good warm up for Davis Cup. It isnt even a best of 5 tournament.
Click to expand...
I remember Djokovic playing WTF before winning Davis Cup shortly after in 2010. Fed and Stan did the same last year. I'm pretty sure Andy will play as well.
 
Mainad said:
The problem is the change of surface because the DC final will be played on clay and Murray wants to get some practice on clay before the tie takes place and there won't be much time between the WTF and the DC final.

That said, I feel almost certain he will play WTF. I hope he does, anyway. It just doesn't look good now for his hopes of finishing the season and starting the new one as world number #2.
Click to expand...

That still only makes it a good reason to skip the WTF if:

1) You are unequivocally of the view that a DC title means more than a year-end #2 ranking. [Are you? I am unequivocally of the view that the year-end #2 ranking means more than the DC title].

AND [note: not "or"]

2) You are of the view that the practice on clay really will help more than the match practice.

AND [note: again, not "or"]

3) You are of the view that he can't win the DC final without the help that he'd gain from the practice on clay.
 
Why wouldn't he skip Paris rather than London if he must skip one of them?

It seems to me that the only good reason is that Paris comes first, so if he plays it, he can keep his options open and play London if Paris goes poorly but skip it if Paris goes well.

On the other hand, London is more important than Paris.
 
I'm not so sure that Murray would prefer meeting Novak in the final rather than the semi final of the AO... Djokovic seems more susceptible in semis lately and brings the good stuff in the final (barring the French Open where you can see that he feels the pressure of the occasion).
 
Federer can't win the year-end number 2, only Murray can surrender it. But at AO he could return, because comparing to Andy reaching the final, Roger only to 3rd round this year I believe.
Any chances of Stan entering top 3 by the end of this year?
 
His priorities should be to find a way to beat both Fed and Novak instead of trying to avoid one of them.
Paris is his chance before WTF. No#2 rankings is worthless if he still keeps losing to them.
 
SpinToWin said:
I'm not so sure that Murray would prefer meeting Novak in the final rather than the semi final of the AO... Djokovic seems more susceptible in semis lately and brings the good stuff in the final (barring the French Open where you can see that he feels the pressure of the occasion).
Click to expand...
Djokovic was in last 13 finals. He is not suspectible to anything.
 
Mainad said:
I'm thinking ahead to next year's Australian Open and Murray's chances to head the bottom half of the draw and not have to face both Djokovic and Federer before the final!
Click to expand...

As number 2 seed he could face Federer in SF...only be guaranteed to avod Djokovic till Final.
I'm still of opinion that Murray will end year as #2 though & in doing so will be assured of carrying it through to AO, as Federer between now & then also has Brisbane to defend.
 
Nachiket Nolefam said:
Djokovic was in last 13 finals. He is not suspectible to anything.
Click to expand...
I meant his performance as in level. Just compare his SF vs Wawrinka to his F vs Murray from last year for instance. I would say the same for Wimby and the USO, but admittedly he had relatively easy tasks in the Semis there, but he did struggle vs Anderson early on in Wimby. All I meant to say is that he generally plays more solid tennis in the finals nowadays.
 
  • Like
Reactions: gn
user said:
1100pts over #3. If Federer wins 1100+ more that Murray mostly on slow hardcourts in the next 4 weeks, all I could say to Murray is:

image.png
Click to expand...

I am not talking about the points for the Race. Murray is untouchable in 2nd place there. I am talking about the world rankings. He is very vulnerable to Federer there.
 
Nah Murray will end #2. Unless Federer does a 2011, it won't happen. That said, he'll probably take it back after the AO, then lose it after Indian Wells, then get it back after Miami, then lose it after Istanbul, then get it after Madrid, then lose it after Rome, then get it back after Roland Garros, then lose it after Wimbledon, then win it after Canada, then lose it after Cincinnati *big inhalation* and then never get it back...
 
Dave1982 said:
As number 2 seed he could face Federer in SF...only be guaranteed to avod Djokovic till Final.
Click to expand...

Sure he could but there would at least be the chance he could avoid either before the final if he heads the bottom half of the draw given that Federer could be drawn in Djokovic's half. But if he goes in as number #3 he will have to face them back to back except in the unlikley event of an upset in the earlier rounds.

Dave1982 said:
I'm still of opinion that Murray will end year as #2 though & in doing so will be assured of carrying it through to AO, as Federer between now & then also has Brisbane to defend.
Click to expand...

Federer is well capable of defending Brisbane but I hope you are right.
 
Mainad said:
I am not talking about the points for the Race. Murray is untouchable in 2nd place there. I am talking about the world rankings. He is very vulnerable to Federer there.
Click to expand...

If you believe he is "untouchable" in the Race then you'd have to consider him a certainty for YE #2! Murray should walk away from WTF with a points gain & very possible for Fed to lose points! Murray will also then likely gain DC points!

And yeah I agree that Fed is more than capable of defending Brisbane but it is still an additional amount of points which are at risk to him.
 
Dave1982 said:
If you believe he is "untouchable" in the Race then you'd have to consider him a certainty for YE #2! Murray should walk away from WTF with a points gain & very possible for Fed to lose points! Murray will also then likely gain DC points!
Click to expand...

Yes, that's very possible. All I'm saying is how likely is that to happen given that Federer usually does better at the WTF than Murray does having made 2 out of the last 3 finals and Murray having got as far as the semis on only 2 occasions and already talking of skipping the event this year to focus on the DC final?
 
NBP said:
Nah Murray will end #2. Unless Federer does a 2011, it won't happen. That said, he'll probably take it back after the AO, then lose it after Indian Wells, then get it back after Miami, then lose it after Istanbul, then get it after Madrid, then lose it after Rome, then get it back after Roland Garros, then lose it after Wimbledon, then win it after Canada, then lose it after Cincinnati *big inhalation* and then never get it back...
Click to expand...

Probably atleast a couple of those will be wrong. It is hard to accurately predict exactly what results either Federer or Murray will get at the Australian Open or during the clay season for instance. However I agree the #2 will switch quite a bit the first 8 months of the year. Unless Murray really lives up to his words and is fighting for the #1 with Djokovic next year, which I would like to see but am not holding my breath on.
 
jm1980 said:
Murray will probably win 350 points with his DC victory. Collect a few points in Paris and the WTF and he's set.

Fed is defending Basel, and 1000 points at the Tour Finals.
Click to expand...
Do Davis Cup final points come into the 2015 rankings or do they get moved forward to the 2016 rankings. I have heard people argue both.
 
I dont think he is giving WTF that much importance in comparison to DC, hence he is in a dilemma to whether play it or not. If he plays he can give himself good chance to finish number 2, also any additional points earned in WTF will help him to inch closer to his new resolution that he has set for 2016.
 
Mainad said:
When he defends Basel at the end of this week (almost certain) he will regain the world number #2 ranking as his Basel points from last year and Murray's Valencia points from last year have already dropped off and Murray is not playing this week.

Given that Federer usually does better than Murray in the last 2 season-ending events (Paris and WTF) enhanced by the fact that Murray has already threatened not even to play WTF because of his Davis Cup commitment, does this now mean Federer is almost a shoo-in to end the season as World number #2 again?
Click to expand...

Has your account been hacked by LadyNinja ?
 
Ranking #2 means nothing to Fed.But ranking #2 means much more to Murray.I think Fed will try his best to take more points.If he lose,it is not a thing because he has tasted the #1 a few times.But to Murray, that's totally different. IMO,Murray will be the #2 at the end of 2015 season.
 
Ranking #2 means nothing to Fed.But ranking #2 means much more to Murray.I think Fed will try his best to take more points.If he lose,it is not a thing because he has tasted the #1 a few times.But to Murray, that's totally different. IMO,Murray will be the #2 at the end of 2015 season.
 
mattosgrant said:
Murray is a complete idiot if he doesnt play the WTF. That is all. Rest for Davis Cup, LOL! Give me a break. It is a good warm up for Davis Cup. It isnt even a best of 5 tournament.
Click to expand...
I think the Queen should consider banishing him to Australia or similar abandoned lands
 
The ball is in Murray's court. If Federer wins Basel and Paris it could be interesting...
 
With one tournament to go before the WTF, the race is what matters. Nobody is "defending" any point at the WTF since points from last year will fall off after Bercy, and the race becomes the ranking (if that makes sense).

If Federer wins Basel, he will be about 600+ points behind Murray. He will need to surpass Murray by 600 points and a fair bit to end the year as number 2.

Has a slight chance, but it depends on what Murray does too.
 
I get the feeling Federer isn't too keen about the number 2 ranking. He didn't look very excited during his pre-US open interview (after he got the ranking back).

He was still drawn with Murray , and he actually said he may have a better chance against Djokovic in the SF than the final (who knows).

We will see how things play out if he gets drawn in Djokovic's half in Bercy.
 
Personally I want Federer to be ranked #3 for majority of next season or preferably in Wimbledon to USO stretch. His chances of winning 18th will be more facing Djokovic in semis instead of Final for various reasons.
 
Last edited:
What's the point in Murray playing WTF?
He's as likely to win it as me.
What, endanger DC so he can dutifully get blown out by Federer again and notch up another tidy loss to Novak as well, just in time for the new season?

DC is seriously underrated.
He should play that, for his team and for his country.
Also, if he prepares properly for it, he'll win.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

kishnabe
Was there any group as Consistent in the Year End Rankings?
Replies
10
Views
2K
dlk
dlk
batz
  • Poll Poll
Who will finish year end number 3?
Replies
24
Views
2K
SStrikerR
S
T
What man is going to finish as number 2 this year?
2
Replies
52
Views
6K
roysid
roysid
roysid
Year end #1
Replies
19
Views
2K
TheMagicianOfPrecision
T
N
Strong year end number 1s
Replies
18
Views
1K
nolefam_2024
N
Back
Top