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If anything, those "deciding margins" would be highlighted even more.

People love crowning victors.

Someone's coming in third here. :)
That's not what I meant.

I meant that some facts would be highlighted like the one you pointed out while the other two fanbases would be completely dismissing that and proposing other metrics. Basically the same as here, but to a higher degree. No one would agree on what defines a GOAT.
 
Sure it is, if we completely discard the fact that Rafa finished Rome with an injury, then skipped Wimby after FO, hence played at 70% maximum.

Not to mention the fact that he beat Soderling every other time (before and after) in straight sets on clay, incl several trashings at FO.

So no, the only valid defeat is at the hands of Novak 2015. Nadal had a bad season that year, but there was no injury, no excuse.
Stop making injury excuses for nadal.
2009 RG is the biggest upset in the world of tennis, and nothing comes closer to that.
Soderling had one day of GOATing and he GOATed,
It's okay, bull has won 2/3 of his RG titles post that defeat. So no need to underrate soderling's & rafa's performance that day.
On the rarest of rare exceptions, big3 play as well as they can and still end up losing against a redlining big hitter... it happens, they all are humans afterall
 

UnderratedSlam

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Stop making injury excuses for nadal.
2009 RG is the biggest upset in the world of tennis, and nothing comes closer to that.
Soderling had one day of GOATing and he GOATed,
It's okay, bull has won 2/3 of his RG titles post that defeat. So no need to underrate soderling's & rafa's performance that day.
On the rarest of rare exceptions, big3 play as well as they can and still end up losing against a redlining big hitter... it happens, they all are humans afterall
Speaking of human, it's human to err...

... and you erring on this.

(Rafa isn't human, not at FO anyway...)
 
That's not what I meant.

I meant that some facts would be highlighted like the one you pointed out while the other two fanbases would be completely dismissing that and proposing other metrics. Basically the same as here, but to a higher degree. No one would agree on what defines a GOAT.
Well, you're welcome to hold to your view that "no one would agree."

But the media does still hold enormous sway.

And beyond that, the general joe-on-the-street opinion would offer the most populist consensus view.

Only a niche setting like this would fringe arguments be entertained.
 
Speaking of human, it's human to err...

... and you erring on this.
You can keep your point of view, I'll keep mine.
I stick to the reality that Rafa played as well as he could, but soderling was zoning out of his mind. Let's also not forget that it was Rafa at the height of his powers, holding slam on all 3 surfaces.
 
It's ok. It's been over a decade, I have taken steps to grow, mature, and cope with what happened. And I'm proud to say that I'm still not over it :cry:
Rafa has won 8 freaking RGs since then. What's it that troubles you??
Heck, even in his late career resurgence stretch, he's won Roland Garros titles as much as all of the 3 other winners of last 15 years combined....
 

UnderratedSlam

Hall of Fame
You can keep your point of view, I'll keep mine.
I stick to the reality that Rafa played as well as he could, but soderling was zoning out of his mind. Let's also not forget that it was Rafa at the height of his powers, holding slam on all 3 surfaces.
Many many many Rafa opponents at FO "zoned out of their minds" yet lost to him. Be realistic. That's a feeble argument.
 

er4claw

Rookie
Most people around the world will be cheering Federer on. If he can do it at such an advanced age its only going to make the win that much better!!
 
Many many many Rafa opponents at FO "zoned out of their minds" yet lost to him. Be realistic.
I'm being realistic. None has ever been able to replicate that level again.
Watched the match on 80 inch screen multiple times.
The tennis soderling produced was insane, especially the clutchness in Tiebreaker.
 

UnderratedSlam

Hall of Fame
I'm being realistic. None has ever been able to replicate that level again.
Watched the match on 80 inch screen multiple times.
The tennis soderling produced was insane, especially the clutchness in Tiebreaker.
And you haven't noticed Rafa not being at his best...? No?

Get a 120 inch.
 
Precisely...

Because he was physically in trouble.

Rafa being injured
? Surely that surprises nobody anymore.

Besides, how about the "coincidence" of him skipping Wimby after that "loss"? Explain.
Not winning RG always signs trouble for the 2nd part of season for rafa, its always been that way..
He wasn't in any sort of physical trouble. If not for soderling zoning, he'd have gone all the way to beat delpo in 3/4 sets to win the 5th consecutive RG. (Given Roger would not be extra motivated against Haas/Delpo like he was after realizing his biggest roadblock was thrown away)
Kindly don't put Rafa at shame by joining the "Healthy Rafa = unbeatable" gang..
He's the greatest clay courter ever, even more so in BO5
 

UnderratedSlam

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Not winning RG always signs trouble for the 2nd part of season for rafa, its always been that way..
He wasn't in any sort of physical trouble. If not for soderling zoning, he'd have gone all the way to beat delpo in 3/4 sets to win the 5th consecutive RG. (Given Roger would not be extra motivated against Haas/Delpo like he was after realizing his biggest roadblock was thrown away)
Kindly don't put Rafa at shame by joining the "Healthy Rafa = unbeatable" gang..
He's the greatest clay courter ever, even more so in BO5
Still waiting for an explanation how that "loss" happened to be his last match in a while... skipping Wimby...
 

The Blond Blur

Professional
Rafa has won 8 freaking RGs since then. What's it that troubles you??
Heck, even in his late career resurgence stretch, he's won Roland Garros titles as much as all of the 3 other winners of last 15 years combined....
What can I say I'm a selfish b@st@rd :laughing: But on a serious note the 09 FO had a huge impact on the GOAT race. It's the only time peak Rafa lost there, and without it Roger doesn't have the career slam and Fedal are tied at 19 a piece. I'd still give Rog the slight nod, but I don't see Rafa finishing at 18-19 and if he's that close, then he will pass 20 imo.
 
Still waiting for an explanation how that "loss" happened to be his last match in a while... skipping Wimby...
Not winning RG always signs trouble for the 2nd part of season for rafa, its always been that way..
He wasn't in any sort of physical trouble. If not for soderling zoning, he'd have gone all the way to beat delpo in 3/4 sets to win the 5th consecutive RG. (Given Roger would not be extra motivated against Haas/Delpo like he was after realizing his biggest roadblock was thrown away)
Kindly don't put Rafa at shame by joining the "Healthy Rafa = unbeatable" gang..
He's the greatest clay courter ever, even more so in BO5
In addition, Rafa is no stranger to skipping/withdrawing from slams/tournaments not named RG or not on clay.....
That doesn't mean he necessarily has to be injured for it.
 
What can I say I'm a selfish b@st@rd :laughing: But on a serious note the 09 FO had a huge impact on the GOAT race. It's the only time peak Rafa lost there, and without it Roger doesn't have the career slam and Fedal are tied at 19 a piece. I'd still give Rog the slight nod, but I don't see Rafa finishing at 18-19 and if he's that close, then he will pass 20 imo.
Can't play revisionist history.

Nadal would have burned out and retired, if not for the respite provided by Soderling and Federer that year. :)
 

The Blond Blur

Professional
Right, but remember: he takes cyclical breaks to recharge.

This one bought him an extra week to study tape, and go back to the drawing board.
I don't mean to derail your thread. But I wouldn't call them breaks, he had to stop due to injuries. Can they help recharge? Sure, but I don't think he would take them if he didn't have to.
 
The conditions at USO are way worse than that for the GOAT to make his climb. ;)
Absolutely.

Going to be a real struggle, and he'll be obliged to claw his way through the annual Gritty Moonscape Spectacular™️ that we have come to expect!

But the GOAT can take heart from the efforts of the goats depicted in the photo. Nearly too good to be true. They have actually risked life and limb to reach the perfect salt lick! :D

In order to fulfill Lady Liberty's prediction, Federer will have to fuel up on his haters' salty tears!
 

OhYes

Legend
Fair point. Let's agree that everyone stops at this moment. Agree? :p
Well why would your fav play until 38 ? Possibly he is going to play even after 40, while I can't imagine Nadal and Djokovic (especially Djokovic) being active at 38, no matter what he says to journalists.
 
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