Federer trying to play professional tennis again is ridiculous, the more I think about it

guga_fan

Semi-Pro
I really hope he can still play some competitive matches before retiring, his schooling of the young guys (except Thiem) was very fun.
 

Omega_7000

Legend
I was thinking the other day about Federer trying to stay a professional tennis player. He will be 41 years old by the time he returns. He could legitimately be the dad of many of the younger guys, that's how old he is compared to them. He has 20 slams, 100+ titles, 300+ weeks at number 1, which you would think is sufficient for anyone by his age. All his peers (Hewitt, Safin, Roddick etc.) have retired.

It somewhat made sense for Murray to make a return because he is only Djokovic's age. But Federer? The guy is basically middle aged at this point. In sporting terms, he is ancient. Any normal person would accept their time is up and retire.

All these reasons are why I think it's ridiculous that he is still trying to play on the main ATP tour again. If he wins a slam again or reaches top 5 in the rankings in his 40's, I will seriously question human biology lol.

What do you think?
So stop thinking about it. Nobody is forcing you to watch his matches if he makes a return either :rolleyes:
 

Arak

Hall of Fame
I think a healthy and fit 41 years old Federer can beat 96-97 out of the top 100 players. He might not win slams but he sure can be competitive and still better than most.
 

BGod

Legend
Modern medicine that's largely hidden from public view.

For example blood work that's publicly denounced as snake oil but I know first hand plenty of wealthy people who engage routinely. Then there's procedures by private doctors 10-15 years ahead for us peasants.

I'm sure he's been told, whether true or not, that he can be put together with the speed he needs for 20-30 matches.
 

Jokervich

Hall of Fame
Modern medicine that's largely hidden from public view.

For example blood work that's publicly denounced as snake oil but I know first hand plenty of wealthy people who engage routinely. Then there's procedures by private doctors 10-15 years ahead for us peasants.

I'm sure he's been told, whether true or not, that he can be put together with the speed he needs for 20-30 matches.
This might explain if he comes back and is still reaching slam semis/finals in his mid 40's. Biology should dictate that you should not be doing that well at such an old age.
 

terribleIVAN

Hall of Fame
Federer literally outplayed both the World #1 and #2 a month shy of his 39th birthday and should have won Wimbledon, so he already has done more than Connors did in that run in 1991.
Except he was 1 month shy of being 38.

So no, 39 yo Connors did better than him.
 

terribleIVAN

Hall of Fame
I think it's ridiculous that he is still trying to play on the main ATP tour again.
It would not have been ridiculous had he been in reasonable good health instead of enduring 2 successive knee surgeries.

Pro sports wear out cartilage: even more artificial fibrous cartilage one consequent to meniscus surgery.

For Roger's to deny this fact and claim he still enjoys playing while being obviously constantly under pain medication is beyond preposterous.

For him to lie between his teeths about it after that Hurckacz drubbing in front of the whole world is totally disgraceful.

I think he's running after both that 1274 Connors wins record and after the 40-15 debacle which will go down in history as his last slam final ever.

And he can't stomach it.

He couldn't accept defeat when he was young, and he can't accept retirement when he's old.
Never had any class.

Novak really put some hurt on this guy.
 
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WarrenMP

Professional
Federer could probably play at 60% of his level and consistently reach the 4th round or QF. A farewell tour would be a great way to go out for Federer. If he comes out to play for fun and dial back the injury prone competitive play, this would be the best bow out for Federer.
 
Tom Brady is in his 40s. :cool:

After what happened this year I’d be surprised as hell if Federer doesn’t decide to retire next year... as much as I love to watch him play, he showed signs of age (injury notwithstanding) in ‘21 so I doubt he’ll reach top 5 again.

It would be awesome and I’d be happy if he does, though!!! I’d love to see him whip the particularly bratty youngsters’ asses.
And Phil Mickelson is 51.
 

EllieK

Hall of Fame
I’ve been a Federer fan since the beginning of his career, but even I think it sort of smacks of a little desperation. That 2019 loss at Wimbledon is the one he thinks he has to avenge, as well as the Hubie bagel. But, let’s be real, there will be no seeding for him when or if he comes back. He could face any player in the 1st round and that could be a bridge too far for a 41 year old. Yes, Roger has proved them wrong before but the body, even without the knee surgeries, naturally finds aging means a drop in performance. That’s true for anyone. Can his ego tolerate an early round loss? Is that worth it to him? Only he can say. He will be granted wild cards at tournaments because he’s still going to be a draw, but I’m afraid that will be the major positive going forward. Andy has shown that challenging some of the top youngsters is possible and for him continuing his career is obviously worth it, but Roger has the extra mileage on his body. Yes, he had some great results this year, but he’s had yet another knee surgery and is talking another 9+ months of injury. Even a physical freak will struggle with that.
 

threehandedbackhand

Hall of Fame
One can say from the mental perspective Federer is unable to accept his WIM19 loss, that's why he's punishing himself with all that hurting knee stuff third year now.

That undeserved WIM19 loss just doesn't fit into his own image of himself. Roger is an extremely stubborn person, so all that "I don't want to retire" drama won't come to the end too quickly.
 

EllieK

Hall of Fame
Tom Brady is in his 40s. :cool:

After what happened this year I’d be surprised as hell if Federer doesn’t decide to retire next year... as much as I love to watch him play, he showed signs of age (injury notwithstanding) in ‘21 so I doubt he’ll reach top 5 again.

It would be awesome and I’d be happy if he does, though!!! I’d love to see him whip the particularly bratty youngsters’ asses.
Tom Brady doesn’t play a one on one game for two or three hours at a time and he has an entire offensive line to work with. He has to pass a football and occasionally run a few yards with it. Not even close to the same thing.
 

mental midget

Hall of Fame
one thing we know is even with a good knee, his movement won't be as stellar as it once was. i'd love it if he spent his recovery time juicing the serve and working to nuke more forehands more often. i think those are both achievable goals and would make for an exciting last act, at the very least.
 

big ted

Hall of Fame
one thing we know is even with a good knee, his movement won't be as stellar as it once was. i'd love it if he spent his recovery time juicing the serve and working to nuke more forehands more often. i think those are both achievable goals and would make for an exciting last act, at the very least.
i think his last hurrah is going to employ alot of net play, as much as possible..
i dont see him beating alot of these players from the baseline anymore..
 

onyxrose81

Hall of Fame
At this point, he’s trying not to have his last match include a bagel. His last interview pretty much spells it out that he knows he can’t seriously compete anymore. I don’t even like him but I wouldn’t want to leave the sport in that note either.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
But, let’s be real, there will be no seeding for him when or if he comes back.
Can someone explain the protected ranking system? I assume if Fed returns he would be eligible for this, like Stan and Del Po had? Del Po didn't play for a year but when he briefly returned, he had kept his pre-injury ranking. Will the same thing happen with Roger? I don't know.
 

Pheasant

Hall of Fame
Can someone explain the protected ranking system? I assume if Fed returns he would be eligible for this, like Stan and Del Po had? Del Po didn't play for a year but when he briefly returned, he had kept his pre-injury ranking. Will the same thing happen with Roger? I don't know.
If a player is injured and missing for at least 6 months, then he can request his ranking to be frozen with a letter to the president within 6 months of his last tourney played. The average ranking of the first 3 months of his first months following his last healthy tourney played is what is used. Keep in mind that has nothing to do with seeding. It only has to do with being allowed entry into a tourney.

Example: Let's say Andy Murray misses a year. His averaging ranking during his first 3 months of being injured is 32(not sure what it really was). Since a slam entry typically takes the top 100 spots, he gets in. However, he's not a #32 seed. He'll still be forced to face a heavyweight in the first around, unlike an actual #32 seed. So he'll get a wild card seed, but a #32 ranking used to enter the tourney.

Murray gets to use this frozen ranking for up to 12 months, or his first 12 tourneys that he plays during the comeback, whichever comes first.

If a player missed 9 months, then he gets this frozen ranking for 9 months, or his first 9 tourneys, whichever comes first.

That's my best understanding
 

Kozzy

Semi-Pro
The big question is if he can be healthy enough to train hard enough to be competitive. If it's a repeat of 2021, it won't be pretty, but if he can be fit then I don't doubt he can win some matches. I hope that he does.
 

Pheasant

Hall of Fame
We should let Federer decide. If Federer doesn't think that he can make that second week of a slam tourney, then he won't play. If he thinks he can, then he'll play. So far, Federer has been a pretty good judge. He was 35 1/2 years old when he returned in 2017. Now granted, he'll be nearly 41 this time. So it's a big leap. But let's see what happens. We're all curious. We won't know until he plays. But it worked out ok at the 2017 AO.
 

socallefty

Legend
I bet the posters who think Federer will be competitive in the late stages of Slams when he comes back are the same ones who argue till they are blue in the face that his prime ended in 2007 and all his losses to Nadal/Djokovic since are because they are from the next generation.
 

Jaitock1991

Hall of Fame
He's earned the right to stay on tour for as long as he freaking decides to. And if these potentially sons of his are unable to push him out of the game then that's on them. Not him.
 

liriel

Semi-Pro
The irony is what Hubi did to Fed out of all people. Such a nice guy. And then Hubi again started losing to worse players and not bageling anymore.
 

Bubcay

Hall of Fame
There are people as old/older than Federer still playing tennis. His 4R/QF results this year are what makes what he's doing crazy. Connors did what he did at 39, the world went gaga, and it become the stuff of sporting legend. I know that was a specific guy in a specific place and a very different time, but if Federer gets close to matching something like that at this point it would be pretty otherworldly.
Those were different times indeed, with the physical requirements to play at the top level a lot lower than today. Having said that, if anyone could do it - Federer could. He is an amazing tennis player that does not rely on physicality as his prime quality.
 

RaulRamirez

Legend
Why are some posters threatened somehow by the prospect of Fed returning.

Regardless of his reasons, hasn't he earned the right to try to make another comeback to a tour that he's been a huge part of?

No predictions from me. Just enjoy seeing what this legend may still bring at age 40/41. He's still capable of dialing up great matches -- even if it becomes increasingly difficult to put 5,6 or 7 of them together.
 

Autodidactic player

Professional
...

All these reasons are why I think it's ridiculous that he is still trying to play on the main ATP tour again ...

What do you think?
Most people choose to retire when they feel financially able and when they no longer want to go to work every day. Federer is certainly financially able to retire but he seems to love playing on the tour and, even at 41, all signs point to him still being a top 10 player. I don't find him not being ready to retire ridiculous at all.
 

Visionary

Hall of Fame
It's "ridiculous" for a pro tennis player to go on, if he gets to the Wimbledon quarter finals in the same year. That's not a success! Sorry, I forgot he's 40. That is an achievement.
 

King No1e

G.O.A.T.
You know what I think is ridiculous the more I think about it? @Jokervich
Your analysis LMAOOO

Seriously if he wants to play let him do it, can you imagine how much hard work the guy is doing to hope playing at a high level again? Tennis is his life, his passion, isn't it beautiful to see someone this dedicated for what he loves? You think he spends his days on the couch eating chips and drinking beers ? (spoiler alert : he doesn't)
And I am not even a Fed fan, but to dare saying what he is doing is ridiculous is beyond me. Has respect really bid farewell for hard working passionate folks? Jesus
Or...
"No, it's all talent. I don't do anything, I just sit on the couch. You thought you had something going? It was you and Lendl who inspired our young generation to work hard? Not with me anyway, I didn't get inspired. All I do is take care of the kids, really."
 

Crisstti

Legend
in his last video he knows its a longshot himself he mentioned trying to get in another GS final
which i think is doable if all the stars align.. i think he did well at FO and getting to qtrs of W until
obviously something happened to his knee.. alot of the newer players are so inexperienced he has that
on them.. if berretini were to play a healthy 40 y.o. federer at wimbledon i wouldnt be so quick to pick
berretini for that one..
I've heard players talk of wanting to retire on their own terms, and not to be retired by injury. That's probably a big part. Also, since he was still competitive before he got injured again, he must want to see how competitive he can still be, which is natural. You don't want to retire and then be wondering "what if".
 
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BGod

Legend
Except he was 1 month shy of being 38.

So no, 39 yo Connors did better than him.
2019 WMB Draw>1991 USO Draw

But still playing that game Fed at 38 & 6 months making SF at 2020 AO more impressive than Connors just turned 39 (wasn't his birthday the 2R match?)

Yes Connors returned from wrist surgery but level of competition just not there.
 

Third Serve

G.O.A.T.
I bet the posters who think Federer will be competitive in the late stages of Slams when he comes back are the same ones who argue till they are blue in the face that his prime ended in 2007 and all his losses to Nadal/Djokovic since are because they are from the next generation.
now there’s a false equivalence if I’ve ever seen one
 

Rosstour

Legend
Tom Brady doesn’t play a one on one game for two or three hours at a time and he has an entire offensive line to work with. He has to pass a football and occasionally run a few yards with it. Not even close to the same thing.
Good point until you realize that almost every NFL quarterback fell off long before they reached his age. So he's really in uncharted territory.
 

terribleIVAN

Hall of Fame
Regardless of his reasons, hasn't he earned the right to try to make another comeback to a tour that he's been a huge part of?
It's his absolute right, of course.

What's not his right, or any other player's, is to get first rd dummies like Istomin and Manarino throwing their matches because we can't have cash-cow Fed departing in the first rd of slams, which is bad for business.

That's truly disgusting and wrong.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
And not really going to happen. There is a Tennis Integrity Unit. And it has certainly pinged a lot of players.

It's his absolute right, of course.

What's not his right, or any other player's, is to get first rd dummies like Istomin and Manarino throwing their matches because we can't have cash-cow Fed departing in the first rd of slams, which is bad for business.

That's truly disgusting and wrong.
 

mxmx

Hall of Fame
There are people as old/older than Federer still playing tennis. His 4R/QF results this year are what makes what he's doing crazy. Connors did what he did at 39, the world went gaga, and it become the stuff of sporting legend. I know that was a specific guy in a specific place and a very different time, but if Federer gets close to matching something like that at this point it would be pretty otherworldly.
Connors had stronger competitors than Federer will when/if he comes back.
 

mxmx

Hall of Fame
Modern medicine that's largely hidden from public view.

For example blood work that's publicly denounced as snake oil but I know first hand plenty of wealthy people who engage routinely. Then there's procedures by private doctors 10-15 years ahead for us peasants.

I'm sure he's been told, whether true or not, that he can be put together with the speed he needs for 20-30 matches.
Agreed. And his ties with Gates is also quite curious.
 

sredna42

Hall of Fame
He's in the denial stage.
I don't think so. I think he is clearly preparing for one last wombledon, & maybe his home Swiss tournie, as a goodbye. There's clearly zero motivation to vulture for points, etc. I honestly think he's preparing for a graceful farewell.
 
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