Federer v Nadal H2H has been 8-8 starting from RG 2011

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I was looking back at this H2H today and saw that they have split the last 16 matches equally between themselves since and including the RG 2011 final.

Nadal with wins at RG 2011, AO 2012, IW 2013, Rome 2013, Cincinnati 2013, WTF 2013, AO 2014 and RG 2019
Federer with wins at WTF 2011, IW 2012, Basel 2015, AO 2017, IW 2017, Miami 2017, Shanghai 2017 and W 2019

Interesting to see that the past 9 seasons they have had such an even split of wins.

If Federer wins the next one, then they would have split the last 20 meetings equally going all the way to WTF 2010, basically before Djokovic 2.0. :eek: It's been 10-9 H2H in favor for Nadal since Nadal completed his career slam.
 
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The first 14 matches in their H2H split 8-6 in favor of Nadal, the last 21 matches split 11-10 in favor of Nadal.

The only real period where it has been dominated by Nadal is the 2008- AO 2009 period, this is the only period that Federer has not been able to parry.
 
Hitman said:
The first 14 matches in their H2H split 8-6 in favor of Nadal, the last 21 matches split 11-10 in favor of Nadal.

The only real period where it has been dominated by Nadal is the 2008- AO 2009 period, this is the only period that Federer has not been able to parry.
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You've forgotten the 2013-early14 stretch hitman.
That's where the insane gap in H2H formed.
Nadal feasted on a fed having his worst stretch ever (along with 2018 2nd half)
Atleast in 2008-2009 fed was a decent competitor most of the time in all of the fedal matches(bar RG2008), and really blew his chances in Hamburg, Monte Carlo, Australia and to some extent, Wimbledon as well
 
HetTheGreaterer said:
You've forgotten the 2013-early14 stretch hitman.
That's where the insane gap in H2H formed.
Nadal feasted on a fed having his worst stretch ever (along with 2018 2nd half)
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You're missing the point of the thread, Federer has matched Nadal win for win since WTF 2010. They have split the last 21 meetings 11-10 in favor of Nadal. That sequence of wins you mention is neutralized by the sequence that Federer put together from 2015 to 2017. The only thing Federer hasn't been able to touch is that 2008 to AO 2009 sequence where it is 5-0 in fav of Nadal.
 
nachiket nolefam said:
Roger has done remarkable job turning the H2H into respectable. Good for him.
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Basically at Madrid 2020 if they don't play each other by then, then in the past 11 seasons the H2H is 11-10 in favor of Nadal. That means overall it has been neck and neck this past decade and a bit between them in matches won. I actually didn't know it was so close until I looked closely at the matches today.
 
Hitman said:
That sequence of wins you mention is neutralized by the sequence that Federer put together from 2015 to 2017.
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Imo, it's not been neutralised.
Apart from 2015 basel, Nadal was an extremely decent competitor and actually in form, facing roger in all of the 2017-19 matches.
Both were in decent (though not peak) form when they met in 2017-19. And apart from IW & shanghai 2017, nadal had so many chances in every other loss.
Which wasn't the case in 2013-14, it was a 5 match lopsided stretch with one player at prime level of play and the other in worst form of his life plus injured.

On the other hand, Fed has only himself to blame for those 5 consecutive losses in 2008-09. He wasn't clutch enough to capitalise even when he outplayed nadal for large chunks of the match.
 
HetTheGreaterer said:
Imo, it's not been neutralised.
Apart from 2015 basel, Nadal was an extremely decent competitor and actually in form, facing roger in all of the 2017-19 matches.
Both were in decent (though not peak) form when they met in 2017-19. And apart from IW & shanghai 2017, nadal had so many chances in every other loss.
Which wasn't the case in 2013-14, it was a 5 match lopsided stretch with one player at prime level of play and the other in worst form of his life plus injured
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You're talking about form during different periods, I am simply talking numbers here in regarding to wins. Nadal's five in a row from IW 2013 to AO 2014 was neutralized by Federer's five in a row from Basel 2015 to Shanghai 2017. From Madrid 2009 to now they have played 21 times regardless of form and it is 11-10 in Nadal's favor, basically showing that the past decade it has been neck and neck between them overall, even if they are a run of wins against each other, the other pulled it back during that time. The only period of Nadal wins that is truly unanswered by Fed is that MC 2008 to AO 2009 period. Again, I am not talking who was in what form, I am simply talking match wins.
 
Hitman said:
You're talking about form during different periods, I am simply talking numbers here in regarding to wins. Nadal's five in a row from IW 2013 to AO 2014 was neutralized by Federer's five in a row from Basel 2015 to Shanghai 2017. From Madrid 2009 to now they have played 21 times regardless of form and it is 11-10 in Nadal's favor, basically showing that the past decade it has been neck and neck between them overall, even if they are a run of wins against each other, the other pulled it back during that time. The only period of Nadal wins that is truly unanswered by Fed is that MC 2008 to AO 2009 period. Again, I am not talking who was in what form, I am simply talking match wins.
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Oh okay.
I misunderstood you.
Though 5 meetings in 11 months's period of march2013-jan14 and just 1 in july2014-jan2016 may as well be the reason behind it.

And one more off topic thing hitman, accept my follow request. (◠‿◕)
 
Hitman said:
The first 14 matches in their H2H split 8-6 in favor of Nadal, the last 21 matches split 11-10 in favor of Nadal.

The only real period where it has been dominated by Nadal is the 2008- AO 2009 period, this is the only period that Federer has not been able to parry.
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It was dominated by Nadal from 2008-2014. Fed got only 3 wins in that span.
 
If Djokovic plays for little longer, Fed can correct the wrongs of the recent past...

The try h2h should be like 60-40 in favor of Fed.
 
Head to head rivalries should be based on their whole careers. Federer done well to claw some wins back and make the rivalry a lot less one-sided than it was though. It's why I can't take people seriously who claim Nadal is Djokovic's pigeon or whatever. 9-6 slam head to head ain't nothing to do with "pigeon", lmao.
 
killerboss said:
Head to head rivalries should be based on their whole careers. Federer done well to claw some wins back and make the rivalry a lot less one-sided than it was though. It's why I can't take people seriously who claim Nadal is Djokovic's pigeon or whatever. 9-6 slam head to head ain't nothing to do with "pigeon", lmao.
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Fed had to figure out rafas akward left style of play, plus bigger racquet.
So despite being almost 40 he has the edge.
Still by far the most matches were played on clay.
Roger is just better honestly.
 
King No1e said:
It was dominated by Nadal from 2008-2014. Fed got only 3 wins in that span.
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The stretches can be nitpicked however you want.

But it's unfair to include Fed's worst period thete and exclude the 2015-2019 period.

Fact is, other than 2008-early 2009, Fed has been neck and neck with Nadal all the other times.
 
Hitman said:
The first 14 matches in their H2H split 8-6 in favor of Nadal, the last 21 matches split 11-10 in favor of Nadal.

The only real period where it has been dominated by Nadal is the 2008- AO 2009 period, this is the only period that Federer has not been able to parry.
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And there's the pathetic 2013 for Fed where they met 4 times (5, if you include AO 2014). In contrast, Fed met Nadal ONCE in 2015. Fed has done a good job of making an absolute mockery of the H2H in the last 5 years.
 
Djokovic smacking Nadal like crazy in 2011 inspired Federer. Nadal looked almost invincible to him before that. It's all about confidence.
 
ForehandRF said:
Not bad for the guy with a pretty one handed backhand :D
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And not bad for grandad...

I like Nadal more, and always want him to win. But, everytime when Federer wins against Nadal he proves his hard core fans wrong about his age gap disadvantage in h2h's against Novak and Rafa...
 
beard said:
And not bad for grandad...

I like Nadal more, and always want him to win. But, everytime when Federer wins against Nadal he proves his hard core fans wrong about his age gap disadvantage in h2h's against Novak and Rafa...
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No it doesn’t. It still applies, only difference is Nadal has declined a lot too and his main weapon vs Federer was his speed and retrievals. He no longer has that anywhere but clay (hence the easy RG win)
 
Born_to_slice said:
Djokovic smacking Nadal like crazy in 2011 inspired Federer. Nadal looked almost invincible to him before that. It's all about confidence.
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It’s not about confidence. No version of Federer is capable of smacking prime Nadal up the way Djokovic did in 2011. Federer has managed to even it up mainly due to Nadal’s pretty substantial physical decline which has changed the terms on which the match-up is played pretty drastically. It doesn’t have much to do with confidence in my opinion.
 
KINGROGER said:
No it doesn’t. It still applies, only difference is Nadal has declined a lot too and his main weapon vs Federer was his speed and retrievals. He no longer has that anywhere but clay (hence the easy RG win)
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So, Nadal declined too, but Novak didn't? How is that possible if its about age? Novak aged too...
 
True.
Obviously, the 2017 AO Final was so pivotal in all this, followed by their IW/Miami meetings shortly after. Huge for both h2h and overall numbers.

I don't believe in what-ifs and hypotheticals, and Fed deserved to win that final. Without it, though, Rafa, even in this stretch is up 12-9 (and maybe would hsve at least split their Sunshine Double meetings) and also up 20-19 overall.
 
beard said:
And not bad for grandad...

I like Nadal more, and always want him to win. But, everytime when Federer wins against Nadal he proves his hard core fans wrong about his age gap disadvantage in h2h's against Novak and Rafa...
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No. He just proves how epic he is.
 
RaulRamirez said:
True.
Obviously, the 2017 AO Final was so pivotal in all this, followed by their IW/Miami meetings shortly after. Huge for both h2h and overall numbers.

I don't believe in what-ifs and hypotheticals, and Fed deserved to win that final. Without it, though, Rafa, even in this stretch is up 12-9 (and maybe would hsve at least split their Sunshine Double meetings) and also up 20-19 overall.
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In that case shall we discount 2013, where they played 4 times?
 
For me, the defining point of their rivalry was that MC 2008 to AO 2009 sequence, that period of about 10 months, where Nadal managed to win every one of the matches between them. That win of 5 matches is what casts the big shadow over the Federer v Nadal H2H, that Federer hasn't ever been able to recover from. If you look outside that key sequence, it is 19-16 between them in the H2H, the first 14 matches and then the 21 matches that followed that period. Nadal dominated a very key part of their rivalry, those 10 months and basically that was where he wrestled control of the H2H and since then they have been going blow for blow.
 
mike danny said:
The stretches can be nitpicked however you want.

But it's unfair to include Fed's worst period thete and exclude the 2015-2019 period.

Fact is, other than 2008-early 2009, Fed has been neck and neck with Nadal all the other times.
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False. Fed was neck and neck with Nadal before 2008. Then it was all Nadal, now it's all Federer. Fed wasn't close to "neck and neck" with Nadal from 08-14.
 
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