Federer vs Djokovic - A different look at the H2H (third of three threads looking at all big 3 H2H)

[Hitman]

Here is a link to Federer vs Nadal - https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...ooking-at-all-big-3-h2h.796752/#post-19208716

And Nadal vs Djokovic - https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...hree-threads-looking-at-all-big-3-h2h.796750/

In this thread we will look at Federer vs Djokovic H2H and look at a few things that don't often get spoken about.

Federer won 23 matches overall against Djokovic and an incredible 15 of them were in straight sets
DC 2006, AO 2007, USO 2007, MC 2008, Cincinnati 2009, USO 2009, Shanghai 2010, YEC 2010, Cincinnati 2012, MC 2014, Shanghai 2014, Dubai 2015, Cincinnati 2015, YEC 2015, YEC 2019

Djokovic won 27 matches overall against Federer, and 10 of them were in straight sets - Djokovic only straight set Federer once before 2011 at AO 2008
AO 2008, AO 2011, Dubai 2011, Rome 2012, RG 2012, YEC 2012, Rome 2015, YEC 2015, Cincinnati 2018, AO 2020

Matches that went into the final set of three match overall looked like this. Federer managed to win one match that went into a final set against Djokovic from 2011 on.

Federer won 5 matches
MC 2006, Dubai 2007, Canada 2010, Basel 2010, Dubai 2014

Djokovic won 9 matches
Canada 2007, Miami 2009, Rome 2009, Basel 2009, IW 2011, Paris 2013, IW 2014. IW 2015, Paris 2018

All there matches in Cincinnati regardless of who won were straight set matches, all there matches in IW went the distance every single time.
Djokovic won all four matches the two played where a match entered the fifth set, interesting Federer had multiple MP in three out of the four matches

USO 2010
USO 2011
W 2014
W 2019

Unlike Djokovic vs Nadal which is more surface dependent, this rivalry is more dependent on how long the match goes. Federer more clinical in finishing matches off in straights sets, Djokovic superior in clutching matches out that went the distance.

 

[NachoGPT]

Fedovic > Djokodal. I liked this rivalry a lot more. Always box office.

 

[GoatNo1]

Here is a link to Federer vs Nadal - https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...ooking-at-all-big-3-h2h.796752/#post-19208716

And Nadal vs Djokovic - https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...hree-threads-looking-at-all-big-3-h2h.796750/

In this thread we will look at Federer vs Djokovic H2H and look at a few things that don't often get spoken about.

Federer won 23 matches overall against Djokovic and an incredible 15 of them were in straight sets
DC 2006, AO 2007, USO 2007, MC 2008, Cincinnati 2009, USO 2009, Shanghai 2010, YEC 2010, Cincinnati 2012, MC 2014, Shanghai 2014, Dubai 2015, Cincinnati 2015, YEC 2015, YEC 2019

Djokovic won 27 matches overall against Federer, and 10 of them were in straight sets - Djokovic only straight set Federer once before 2011 at AO 2008
AO 2008, AO 2011, Dubai 2011, Rome 2012, RG 2012, YEC 2012, Rome 2015, YEC 2015, Cincinnati 2018, AO 2020

Matches that went into the final set of three match overall looked like this. Federer never won a match that went into a final set against Djokovic from 2011 on.

Federer won 4 matches
MC 2006, Dubai 2007, Canada 2010, Basel 2010

Djokovic won 9 matches
Canada 2007, Miami 2009, Rome 2009, Basel 2009, IW 2011, Paris 2013, IW 2014. IW 2015, Paris 2018

All there matches in Cincinnati regardless of who won were straight set matches, all there matches in IW went the distance every single time.
Djokovic won all four matches the two played where a match entered the fifth set, interesting Federer had multiple MP in three out of the four matches

USO 2010
USO 2011
W 2014
W 2019

Unlike Djokovic vs Nadal which is more surface dependent, this rivalry is more dependent on how long the match goes. Federer more clinical in finishing matches off in straights sets, Djokovic superior in clutching matches out that went the distance.

not just that. it was depended of clutchnes and match importance. the closer match or the more importante match was the bigger advantage to nole.

 

[GrassMasters]

I wish they were about the same age. The six years difference meant we never really got the rivalry they deserved. I also find it funny that Federer and Djokovic met each 10 times more than Federer and Nadal, despite Fedal being far more prolific, and despite Fed and Nadal being rivals way before Fed and Djokovic met, and Nadal is even closer in age to Fed than Djokovic is!

 

[GoatNo1]

I wish they were about the same age. The six years difference meant we never really got the rivalry they deserved. I also find it funny that Federer and Djokovic met each 10 times more than Federer and Nadal, despite Fedal being far more prolific, and despite Fed and Nadal being rivals way before Fed and Djokovic met, and Nadal is even closer in age to Fed than Djokovic is!

as i said it is not feds older but noles clutchness that decided their rivalry. fed improved his h2h after his era vs rafa and muzza, who are noles peers, compared with his own era. even with other noles peers that fed played the lot (awa, potro, gasquet, berdych) it was apr the same or better for fed. it went ugly just vs nole but nole improved vs all not just fed!

speaking about 50 vs 40 matches in fedal and nole-fed rivalries it is because nole was the most constant player in the history of the game taking all surfaces and conditions. all played must matches vs nole. rafa, fed, muzza, wawa.

nole-fed h2h with focus at clutchness and importance of matches:

All matches (51): 27–23 (one walkover not included)
before the final: 14-17
All finals (20): 13–6 (one walkover not included)

non GS matches: 16-17
Grand Slam matches: 11–6
before the final: 7-5
Grand Slam finals: 4–1

ATP Tour Finals matches: Tied, 3–3 (one walkover not included)
before the final: 1-3
ATP Tour Finals finals: 2–0 (one walkover not included)

ATP Masters matches: 11–9
before the final: 6-6
ATP Masters finals: 5–3

MM matches: 2-5
before the finals: 0-3
MM finals: Tied, 2–2

Best of five set matches: 11–7
non 5 sets matches: 7-7
Matches lasting five sets: 4–0

Best of three set matches: Tied, 16–16
2-0 matches: 6-11
Deciding sets: 10–5

Winning the match after losing 1st set: 7–1
Winning the match after being 0-2 in sets: 1-0
Winning the match after being 1-2 in sets: 2-0
Winning the match saving match points: 3–0

All sets: 74–73
non deciding sets: 60-68
Deciding sets: 14–5
Bagel sets: 0-1
Tiebreak sets: 16–12
non deciding TBs: 12-12
Deciding Tiebreaks: 4–0

Total games: 749-758
Total points: 4695-4729

Results on each court surface​

• Hard courts: 20–18
  • Outdoor: 14–13
  • Indoor: 6–5
• Grass courts: 3–1
• Clay courts: Tied, 4–4

 

[Waspsting]

Matches won after losing first set- Federer 1, Djokovic 7

Put another way, matches won after winning first set -

Fed 22-7
Djoko 20-1

 

[FlyingSaucer]

Fedovic > Djokodal. I liked this rivalry a lot more. Always box office.

Would you like it more or less or the same if the H2H was 25-25?

 

[NachoGPT]

Would you like it more or less or the same if the H2H was 25-25?

Well I like watching Federer play more than Nadal, so I’d like it more regardless.

 

[FlyingSaucer]

@Hitman Federer won the Dubai match in 2014 which went to a decider.

 

[davced1]

Only reason Djokovic won the h2h is because he racked up a few wins against 37-38 year old Federer which he was expected to win as a 30-31 year old.

 

[Hitman]

@Hitman Federer won the Dubai match in 2014 which went to a decider.

You are correct, I forgot that Djokovic won a set. I will amend, thanks.

 

[tennis_pro]

It's 100% age related.

2006-2010 Fed had the age advantage.
2011-2020 Djokovic had the age advantage.

The problem is that Fed had an age advantage for 5 years compared to Djokovic's 10 year period.
And I'm being generous with giving the age advantage in 2010 to Federer, cause Djokovic was 23 and Fed 29 that year. 23-year old Fed would not go 1-4 against a 29-year old Djokovic in a season LOL. Fed was 13-6 against Djokovic until early 2011 where he was close to 30 and outside of MonoAO in 2008 he had no losses to him in the Slams until he was 29 (2010 USO).

 

[PilotPete]

If they played 10 more matches in 2021, then Djokovic would be that much further ahead obviously. It's just a matter of timing that the H2H ended up as it did. But when the chips were down, at his absolute best, Mr. Clutch lost to post-peak Fed on a surface that favours Djokovic's game in best of 5.

 

[manley0702]

as i said it is not feds older but noles clutchness that decided their rivalry.

Nah. It's much more age-related. Federer was 13-6 against Djokovic until the year he turned 30 (2011). Djokovic was 21-10 after that.

 

[NachoGPT]

It's 100% age related.

2006-2010 Fed had the age advantage.
2011-2020 Djokovic had the age advantage.

The problem is that Fed had an age advantage for 5 years compared to Djokovic's 10 year period.
And I'm being generous with giving the age advantage in 2010 to Federer, cause Djokovic was 23 and Fed 29 that year. 23-year old Fed would not go 1-4 against a 29-year old Djokovic in a season LOL. Fed was 13-6 against Djokovic until early 2011 where he was close to 30 and outside of MonoAO in 2008 he had no losses to him in the Slams until he was 29 (2010 USO).

6 year age difference is so minor compared to what Novak is dealing with Alcaraz and Sinner. Kinda makes it look silly now.

 

[iopzzza]

Age advantage can be a factor in the late-late Federer career, OR if Roger was like 15 years older than Novak. Lets say the age advantage could've been a factor at Wimbledon 2019 final - other than that - no.

 

[GoatNo1]

Nah. It's much more age-related. Federer was 13-6 against Djokovic until the year he turned 30 (2011). Djokovic was 21-10 after that.

and until the same year he had 8-14 vs rafa (36%) and 6-8 vs muzza (43%) who are noles peers. and he had 8-10 vs rafa (44%) and 8-3 (73%) vs muzza after!
so it went ugly for fed just vs nole from 2011!

if we look at nole vs the bug4 before and from 2011 he improved big vs all 3, not just fed!

nole vs rafa up to 2011 was 7-16 (30%) and 4-3 (57%) vs muzza, from 2011 and on he had 24-13 (65%) vs rafa and 21-8 (72%) vs muzza!
that is pretty similar improving as vs fed that went form 6-13 (32%) to 21-10 (68%)!

but it can be possible that fed get old vs nole but younger vs his peers muzza and rafa. while nole miraculously improved vs all despite not getting better himself!

 

[vix]

It's 100% age related.

2006-2010 Fed had the age advantage.
2011-2020 Djokovic had the age advantage.

The problem is that Fed had an age advantage for 5 years compared to Djokovic's 10 year period.
And I'm being generous with giving the age advantage in 2010 to Federer, cause Djokovic was 23 and Fed 29 that year. 23-year old Fed would not go 1-4 against a 29-year old Djokovic in a season LOL. Fed was 13-6 against Djokovic until early 2011 where he was close to 30 and outside of MonoAO in 2008 he had no losses to him in the Slams until he was 29 (2010 USO).

Federer almost always had the advantage before stepping on the court, he had what? 90%+ of the crowd supporting him? The dude always played with home field advantage. And Federer had the weight / aura of his resume, which gave him supreme confidence. Look how Federer struggled against Agassi on 2005 USO, put 20+ GS version of Novak in place of Agassi, who is to say Novak can't win? That's why age is not the only factor in this rivalry, there's a lot of nuances.

If they played 10 more matches in 2021, then Djokovic would be that much further ahead obviously. It's just a matter of timing that the H2H ended up as it did. But when the chips were down, at his absolute best, Mr. Clutch lost to post-peak Fed on a surface that favours Djokovic's game in best of 5.

Oh, so the chips were only down in RG 2011? Got it. By the way, you would be hard pressed to find a better match from Federer on clay, let alone RG, during his peak. It's one of his best matches on the surface.

 

[Slingshot]

I could not be more bored of what these big 3 threads descend into so I'm not going to get into an argument if someone takes issue, but I've long thought this matchup was essentially even.

 

[Megafanoftennis100]

Prime Sinner would've gone 50-0 against Federer.
Yet Djokovic lost 23 matches to that same player LMAO. What a pathetic joke compared to Sinner.
Prime Sinner >>>>>> Prime Djokovic any day of the week (including twice on Sundays).

 

[Third Serve]

6 year age difference is so minor compared to what Novak is dealing with Alcaraz and Sinner. Kinda makes it look silly now.

It's not an insanely huge difference compared to what's going on now but Djokovic only leads the rivalry by four matches won, so even if we made the conservative case that Djokovic had a marginal (not large, just marginal) age advantage, that would be all we'd need to account for the entire H2H lead.

 

[Third Serve]

Really I just find this particular H2H not very useful in comparing the two players because their primes never overlapped. Fed left his the year before Djokovic entered his, so we're talking about players that are from fundamentally different generations.

At best you can say that Fed was near-prime in 2011-2012 (and yes he was very good) but that's still not an exact equivalent because he was down in a few areas compared to prior years (return and movement stick out, also forehand to a lesser extent but the real drop-off there didn't happen until 2013).

 

[GrassMasters]

It's always funny to read Novakheads make mental gymnastics about age now with Sinner and Alcaraz in the picture.
"6 years is nothing and 14 years is everything because... BECAUSE IT JUST IS OK!?" for them it's ones and zeroes. At 13 years, 364 days, 23 hours and 59 minutes difference of age, age doesn't matter. But once we finally reach 14 years "old age when in prime though......"

 

[Third Serve]

Age advantage can be a factor in the late-late Federer career, OR if Roger was like 15 years older than Novak. Lets say the age advantage could've been a factor at Wimbledon 2019 final - other than that - no.

I think it is frankly undeniable that age was a factor in the 2014 and 2015 Wimbledon finals, if you look at the elements of Fed's game that contributed to both losses.

 

[Neptune]

It's 100% age related.

Don't try to find excuse for Fed, he was his main rivals' pigeon throughout his entire career as a top player:
2003 Nalby's pigeon
2004-14 Rafa's pigeon
2011-21 Nole's pigeon

BTW, from the year Nole first clinched No.1 (2011) until the year Fed last clinched No.1 (2018):
H2H: 19–9

 

[rigged]

Fedovic > Djokodal. I liked this rivalry a lot more. Always box office.

It would've been the greatest rivalry in tennis if they were both the same age.

 

[NachoGPT]

It's always funny to read Novakheads make mental gymnastics about age now with Sinner and Alcaraz in the picture.
"6 years is nothing and 14 years is everything because... BECAUSE IT JUST IS OK!?" for them it's ones and zeroes. At 13 years, 364 days, 23 hours and 59 minutes difference of age, age doesn't matter. But once we finally reach 14 years "old age when in prime though......"

6 years and 14 years is an 8 year difference. That’s not trivial at all.

 

[PilotPete]

Federer almost always had the advantage before stepping on the court, he had what? 90%+ of the crowd supporting him? The dude always played with home field advantage. And Federer had the weight / aura of his resume, which gave him supreme confidence. Look how Federer struggled against Agassi on 2005 USO, put 20+ GS version of Novak in place of Agassi, who is to say Novak can't win? That's why age is not the only factor in this rivalry, there's a lot of nuances.

Oh, so the chips were only down in RG 2011? Got it. By the way, you would be hard pressed to find a better match from Federer on clay, let alone RG, during his peak. It's one of his best matches on the surface.

In 2006, when he routed Nadal 6-1 in the first set was probably better, I don't think he's ever beaten Nadal at FO 6-1 after that. Both 4 sets losses in the end.

 

[GrassMasters]

6 years and 14 years is an 8 year difference. That’s not trivial at all.

That's not my point. It's not a yes or no question it's a how much question.

 

[tennis_pro]

Don't try to find excuse for Fed, he was his main rivals' pigeon throughout his entire career as a top player:
2003 Nalby's pigeon
2004-14 Rafa's pigeon
2011-21 Nole's pigeon

BTW, from the year Nole first clinched No.1 (2011) until the year Fed last clinched No.1 (2018):
H2H: 19–9

Djokovic got 80% of his wins after 2010.
Nadal got most most of his against Fed on clay.
LMAO at throwing in Nalbandian there.

 

[tennis_pro]

Federer almost always had the advantage before stepping on the court, he had what? 90%+ of the crowd supporting him? The dude always played with home field advantage. And Federer had the weight / aura of his resume, which gave him supreme confidence. Look how Federer struggled against Agassi on 2005 USO, put 20+ GS version of Novak in place of Agassi, who is to say Novak can't win? That's why age is not the only factor in this rivalry, there's a lot of nuances.

I thought that Djokovic played better when the crowd was against him?

 

[FlyingSaucer]

Don't try to find excuse for Fed, he was his main rivals' pigeon throughout his entire career as a top player:
2003 Nalby's pigeon
2004-14 Rafa's pigeon
2011-21 Nole's pigeon

BTW, from the year Nole first clinched No.1 (2011) until the year Fed last clinched No.1 (2018):
H2H: 19–9

Good to know Djo was Fed's pigeon until 2010.

 

[tennis_pro]

6 year age difference is so minor compared to what Novak is dealing with Alcaraz and Sinner. Kinda makes it look silly now.

Djokovic isn't dealing with anything, he already did his thing until the end of 2023 before Sinner arrived and when Alcaraz was 19-20 years old (I still don't think we've seen the best of Alcaraz yet). The battle was 8-15 years ago for the Slams, right now it's a duopoly with Djokovic winning nothing outside of the Olympics for almost 2,5 years. You're comparing two completely different situations. Federer-Djokovic was a genuine rivarly in 2007-2019 while now you have Alcaraz-Sinner winning everything and Djokovic attempting to maybe win 1 more Slam from them.

 

[FlyingSaucer]

6 years and 14 years is an 8 year difference. That’s not trivial at all.

Don't think it matters what the difference is. That there is a difference is all that matters with regards to the argument. Sinner and Charles could be eight years younger than Djokovic and that would be enough.

 

[tennis_pro]

BTW, from the year Nole first clinched No.1 (2011) until the year Fed last clinched No.1 (2018):
H2H: 19–9

Well, what would you know, peak/prime Djokovic was pretty good against Fed in his 30s. Really impressive.

Wonder what prime Fed would've done to 35-year old Djokovic btw. What do you think?

 

[vix]

I thought that Djokovic played better when the crowd was against him?

Maybe, but you can't deny that it's a burden. How would Federer perform in a similar situation? We don't know.

 

[tennis_pro]

Maybe, but you can't deny that it's a burden. How would Federer perform in a similar situation? We don't know.

It would be the same as the crowd cheering for Djokovic and against Fed. Both would be confused and it wouldn't affect the final score.

 

[tennis_pro]

6 years and 14 years is an 8 year difference. That’s not trivial at all.

Are you really comparing Federer-Djokovic who had a genuine rivarly for many years to Djokovic trying to beat Sinner/Alcaraz after he already accomplished everything in his career? Djokovic was a genuine regular blockage for Federer in the Slam race, while now Djokovic is basically trying to snatch one Slam from Sinner/Alcaraz. And let's be real, the h2h's are close, but Alcaraz only now is starting to reach his prime while Sinner went 2 levels up after 2023 and both are pretty much dominating Djokovic at this point and it's only gonna get worse.

 

[TheAssassin]

14-5 in deciding sets, 20-1 for Djokovic if he wins the opening set... Fed really wasn't built for tight contests in this match up lol...

 

[messiahrobins]

It's 100% age related.

2006-2010 Fed had the age advantage.
2011-2020 Djokovic had the age advantage.

The problem is that Fed had an age advantage for 5 years compared to Djokovic's 10 year period.
And I'm being generous with giving the age advantage in 2010 to Federer, cause Djokovic was 23 and Fed 29 that year. 23-year old Fed would not go 1-4 against a 29-year old Djokovic in a season LOL. Fed was 13-6 against Djokovic until early 2011 where he was close to 30 and outside of MonoAO in 2008 he had no losses to him in the Slams until he was 29 (2010 USO).

Djokovic fans literally getting more desperate by the day. Obviously the narrative on social media like X isn't going well!

I'd like to see this h2h Federer v Djokovic between 2008-2012 the only period where both were anywhere close to their peaks at same time. Anyone got these stats

 

[vix]

Djokovic fans literally getting more desperate by the day. Obviously the narrative on social media like X isn't going well!

I'd like to see this h2h Federer v Djokovic between 2008-2012 the only period where both were anywhere close to their peaks at same time. Anyone got these stats

2009 / 2010 Novak was close to his peak? LOL

 

[manley0702]

and until the same year he had 8-14 vs rafa (36%) and 6-8 vs muzza (43%) who are noles peers. and he had 8-10 vs rafa (44%) and 8-3 (73%) vs muzza after!
so it went ugly for fed just vs nole from 2011!

if we look at nole vs the bug4 before and from 2011 he improved big vs all 3, not just fed!

nole vs rafa up to 2011 was 7-16 (30%) and 4-3 (57%) vs muzza, from 2011 and on he had 24-13 (65%) vs rafa and 21-8 (72%) vs muzza!
that is pretty similar improving as vs fed that went form 6-13 (32%) to 21-10 (68%)!

but it can be possible that fed get old vs nole but younger vs his peers muzza and rafa. while nole miraculously improved vs all despite not getting better himself!

You're looking at this too narrowly. Fed didn't get younger vs Nadal. Here are some points for you to consider:

1. Federer didn't start winning vs Rafa simultaneously when he started losing to Nole. In 2011, he lost to both of them and lost worse to Nadal. His record against Rafa from 2011-2014 was 2-9 (18%); his record against Nole during the same period was 6-12 (33%). So he actually did better against Nole than Nadal during that time.

2. 14 of Federer's first 25 matches against Nadal happened on clay, and he went 2-12 (14%) in those matches. As Federer got older, he stopped playing as much clay, and when he did, he didn't have the same level of success so he improved his record against Nadal by avoiding the surface.

3. Nadal got old too and didn't age as well as Federer did. He won 7/8 against Nadal to finish their careers. 7-0 on hard/grass and 0-1 on clay.

 

[tennis_pro]

2009 / 2010 Novak was close to his peak? LOL

And 2018-2020 Federer was LOL?

 

[messiahrobins]

2009 / 2010 Novak was close to his peak? LOL

He was same age as Alcaraz pal.

 

[TheAssassin]

Djokovic fans literally getting more desperate by the day. Obviously the narrative on social media like X isn't going well!

I'd like to see this h2h Federer v Djokovic between 2008-2012 the only period where both were anywhere close to their peaks at same time. Anyone got these stats

Even with the terrible 2010 being included, the H2H over those five years was 12-11 Djokovic.

 

[jackson vile]

and until the same year he had 8-14 vs rafa (36%) and 6-8 vs muzza (43%) who are noles peers. and he had 8-10 vs rafa (44%) and 8-3 (73%) vs muzza after!
so it went ugly for fed just vs nole from 2011!

if we look at nole vs the bug4 before and from 2011 he improved big vs all 3, not just fed!

nole vs rafa up to 2011 was 7-16 (30%) and 4-3 (57%) vs muzza, from 2011 and on he had 24-13 (65%) vs rafa and 21-8 (72%) vs muzza!
that is pretty similar improving as vs fed that went form 6-13 (32%) to 21-10 (68%)!

but it can be possible that fed get old vs nole but younger vs his peers muzza and rafa. while nole miraculously improved vs all despite not getting better himself!

That’s a very good point, we can’t claim age for Federer when he was improving his H2H vs the other two biggest players younger than him.

He only had the issue with Novak, because of Novak’s amazing performances.

 

[vix]

And 2018-2020 Federer was LOL?

He said 2008-2012, where did you get 2018-2020? 2009/2010 for Novak is similar to 2013 for Roger.

He was same age as Alcaraz pal.

Which means absolutely nothing. He was clearly playing poorly in that period. I mean, what do you think would happen if 2020 Nadal played 2015 Nadal?

 

[ND-13]

Djokovic was lucky to use his legs to his advantage to win close matches against old Fed.

USO 10
USO 11
Wimb 15
Wimb 19

 

[GoatNo1]

You're looking at this too narrowly. Fed didn't get younger vs Nadal. Here are some points for you to consider:

1. Federer didn't start winning vs Rafa simultaneously when he started losing to Nole. In 2011, he lost to both of them and lost worse to Nadal. His record against Rafa from 2011-2014 was 2-9 (18%); his record against Nole during the same period was 6-12 (33%). So he actually did better against Nole than Nadal during that time.

2. 14 of Federer's first 25 matches against Nadal happened on clay, and he went 2-12 (14%) in those matches. As Federer got older, he stopped playing as much clay, and when he did, he didn't have the same level of success so he improved his record against Nadal by avoiding the surface.

3. Nadal got old too and didn't age as well as Federer did. He won 7/8 against Nadal to finish their careers. 7-0 on hard/grass and 0-1 on clay.

ok what about other noles peers from golden era that fed played 20+ matches with?

player	up to and 2010	2011 and on	changing in % points
no1e	68.4% (13-6)	32.3% (10-21)	-36,1
rafa	36.4% (8-14)	44.4% (8-10)	+8,0
muzza	42.9% (6-8)	72.7% (8-3)	+29,8
wawa	85.7% (6-1)	89.5% (17-2)	+3,8
berdych	75.0% (9-3)	78.6% (11-3)	+3,6
potro	75.0% (6-2)	70.6% (12-5)	-4,4
gasquet	87.5% (7-1)	92.3% (12-1)	+4,8

he improved vs all of them except potro and there he drop just barely, having still 70+ % wins!

 

[GoatNo1]

Djokovic got 80% of his wins after 2010.
Nadal got most most of his against Fed on clay.
LMAO at throwing in Nalbandian there.

not really
rafa had 10 wins vs fed out of clay and led fed on HC until very end. fed won last 5 matches and it ended just 11-9 for him on HC. rafa still has better h2h on HC outdoors! and he had big 8-2 lead on HC outdoors up to 2015.
and as i said before. fed improved his h2h from 2011 and on vs all (except porto but even there he drop just barely) his main rivals that was peers with nole; rafa, muzza, wawa, berdych, gasquet!