Federer vs Djokovic - Monte Carlo 2006

The Green Mile

Bionic Poster
Their first Career meeting. I watched this live over 10 years ago, and had been wanting to watch it again. Recently got hold of it, and uploaded it to YouTube. My 4th time ever seeing Novak play.


When I watch a match, I write notes while watching, just so I can go back to them if my memory gets a little hazy. Usually in some detail. It was a interesting read looking back at my notes over 10 years old. Here they are if you're interested. It is quite long.

2006 Monte Carlo R1 - [1] Roger Federer vs [Q] Novak Djokovic. Roger wins 6/3 2/6 6/3.

Roger #1 in the world, Novak #67 in the world. Pascal Maria is the Umpire. Novak holds to 30 for 1-0. Settle some nerves. Quite the confident start form Novak, has nothing to lose really, so going for his shots. Great backhand dtl for the winner. Missed forehand from Fed and it's deuce. Good serve and forehands from Fed, and he levels it at 1-1. A couple of poor errors from Novak, and it's love 30. Forehand into the net and Fed has 3 BPs. Poor game here. Novak saves 2 BPs. Brilliant forehands into Fed's backhand side, pushing him further back. Deuce. 4th BP. Chip backhand from Fed on the return not enough. Deuce. Mishit from Novak, and Fed has a 5th BP. Novak very aggressive, but finally misses a forehand inside out. Fed breaks for 2-1. Solid hold for 3-1. Spreading the court nicely. Novak with a solid hold. 2-3. Love hold for Roger. 4-2. Novak just a bit too inconsistent off the ground right now to make any big damage. Fed playing solid. Brilliant point to close out that 6th game though. Finishing it off with a great transition to the net. Good touch on the drop volley. Fed starting to come alive a bit more. Big inside out forehand, and it's 30-30. The forehand from Federer just lands in and skids off the baseline, making it impossible for Novak to play it. BP Fed. Poor backhand from Fed and it's deuce. Great hustle from Novak, and he holds on for 3-4. Fed had a decent chance to break again. A few more errors from Fed here. 15-30. Serve and forehand combo, finishing it with a drop volley. 30-30. A couple of good 1st serves and Fed holds for 5-3. Novak seems to struggle around the forecourt. Love 30 here. Massive injection of pace from Fed, and he has 2 SPs. Fed forces the forehand error, and breaks for 6/3. Novak just looking outclassed right now. Needs to keep the errors down. Fed still can raise his level a couple of gears, but overall a decent set from Fed. Could serve much better, only at 48% in. 9-15 for Fed, to Novak's 4-15 in terms of winners-UEs.

Brilliant hold from Fed. Backhand flick pass at 40-15. Majority of Fed's placement going to the backhand side of Novak. Massive forehand dtl from Novak from well out, and he holds for 1-1. A couple of forehand misses from Fed, and Novak has 15-30. Good forehand dtl from Novak, forces Fed to hit a defensive backhand reply which floats long. 2 BPs. A 3rd forehand error, and Djokovic has the early break in the 2nd. Didn't see that coming. Novak looks lost at the net. A lot of room for improvement there. Playing some nice tennis from the baseline right now though. Big forehands. Nice hold to 30 for 3-1. Fighting hard. Fed needs to sharpen his game, especially off that forehand side. Novak ripping forehands right now. High intensity from him. 15-30. Making great use of this momentum he has built. 30-30. 2nd serve and volley from Fed catching Novak off guard. 40-30. Fed holds on for 2-3. Fed in a little bit of a slump right now. Spraying errors. Great forehand approach from Fed, but a terrible forehand volley. Djokovic holds to 15 for 4-2. Keeping the error count very low. Brilliant return from Novak off the backhand side, and he has love 30. Looking extremely confident right now. Great serve and backhand combo from Fed, and it's 30-30. Drop shot from Novak, Fed gets there, but nets the backhand pass attempt. BP Novak. Forehand long, and Novak breaks for 5-2. Excellent fight from this guy. Fed looks ready for the 3rd set. Not putting much effort into this return game. Big forehand skids off the line from Novak, and he has 3 SPs. 2 saved. Novak a little tight trying to serve it out. Big forehand miss, and it's deuce. Forehand wide from Fed, and Novak has a 4th SP. Fed comes in after a big forehand approach and completely shanks the volley. Novak has the 2nd set. A much cleaner set than the 1st from Novak. Playing more freely as well. Fed looking poor, especially off that forehand side. 3rd set will be interesting. Fed 8-15 to Novak's 7-6. Fed's not that different from the 1st, but the FEs seems lower in the 2nd set for Novak. Fed only at 55% 1st in, but winning only 50% on 1st and 2nd. Djokovic serving at 54% 1st in, but with much better numbers.

30-30 on Fed's serve. Novak's forehand just long. 40-30. Nice serve out wide, and Fed holds to start the final set. Novak has to be careful here. Sneaky drop shot attempt from him lands in the net. Forehand shank and it's 15-30. 30-30. Court was open for Fed there. Poor drop shot from Novak, and Fed rolls it dtl but it lands wide. The Fed forehand now with 6 winners and 22 UEs. Really needs to get that side going. Novak maybe a bit too impatient at times. Deuce here. Fed has BP here. The Novak forehand letting him down in that game. Fed breaks for 2-0. Looks like experience will come through right now. Novak spraying more errors here. He's come a long way though, since I saw him 1st at the AO last year against Safin. Fed cruises to 3-0 lead. Novak can't keep up that form he was showing in the 2nd. 15-30 here, Novak serving. Novak falling apart in the 3rd set. 2 BPs. Fed not doing anything special by any means. Good response from Novak, and it's deuce. Signs of frustration from Fed for the 1st time. Novak manages to hold for 1-3. Just hanging in there. Fast love hold for 4-1. Fed has 15-30 here. Forehand looking better now. Deuce. Novak toughens out the hold for 2-4. Fed races to a 5-2 lead. Fed closing in. 30-30. Massive DF from Novak, shanked the serve. MP for Fed. Good serve and forehand combo to save it. Deuce. Novak comes through another tough service game. Fed to serve for the match. Novak with a huge forehand approach, but hits the backhand volley right back to Federer who drives it dtl for the passing shot winner. 30-0. Novak headbutts the net, haha. 3 MPs for Fed. 2 saved. Novak hits his forehand long, and Fed wins. A good opening test for Roger this match. Wasn't the cleanest match by any means, especially on the serve and forehand. Should raise his level as the tournament progresses. Novak fought well, and displayed some great skills, especially in that 2nd set. Fun match all round.

8/10.

Time: 1 hour, 48 minutes.

Stats

Federer: 1 Ace, 0 DFs, 51% 1st, 72% 1st won, 63% 2nd won, 25 winners, 37 UEs, 3/11 BPs won, 87 points won.
Djokovic: 1 Ace, 4 DFs, 64% 1st, 58% 1st won, 59% 2nd won, 21 winners, 39 UEs, 2/2 BPs won, 78 points won.
 

The Green Mile

Bionic Poster
Surprised it hasn't been deleted. Most other matches I've tried to upload get blocked. Yah. If you haven't seen it, I recommend. It's interesting to see where it all began....
 

AnOctorokForDinner

Talk Tennis Guru
But when post prime Federer troubles prime Djokovic it means a lot.
When it happens on Djokovic's best type of surface, yes. (Shanghai '14 - broke unbeaten China streak, WTF RR '15 - broke unbeaten indoor streak.)

Dubai & Cincinnati wins simply show Federer was better on fast HC even post-prime, something that shouldn't have been contested anyway, since it is Djokovic's weakest type of surface and Federer's strongest, along with grass. Similarly, troubling peak Federer on clay isn't that big, since it is Federer's weakest surface, and lots of people could bother him there even back then. Djokovic already has a better CC resume, so it doesn't matter anyway.
 

Tardigrade

Banned
When it happens on Djokovic's best type of surface, yes. (Shanghai '14 - broke unbeaten China streak, WTF RR '15 - broke unbeaten indoor streak.)

Dubai & Cincinnati wins simply show Federer was better on fast HC even post-prime, something that shouldn't have been contested anyway, since it is Djokovic's weakest type of surface and Federer's strongest, along with grass. Similarly, troubling peak Federer on clay isn't that big, since it is Federer's weakest surface, and lots of people could bother him there even back then. Djokovic already has a better CC resume, so it doesn't matter anyway.

Completely agree. Djokovic is better on slow-medium HV's and clay, Federer on grass and fast hard courts. No complaint here.
 

AnOctorokForDinner

Talk Tennis Guru
Completely agree. Djokovic is better on slow-medium HC's and clay, Federer on grass and fast hard courts. No complaint here.
I guess "medium" HC is where it gets tricky. Where is the line, what measure of speed/bounce makes for equilibrium between the two? Especially considering that courts don't stay exactly the same from year to year, and even moderate changes can affect the result. E.g. Federer used to dominate the YEC, now Djokovic has been doing it - but I understand the tournament was usually faster during Federer's time than it has been recently. Djokovic did beat a still strong Federer in 2012, but it was a very close match despite being a two-setter, so not really telling. 2015 was clearly slow, and both looked quite tired in the final to me, with Djokovic predictably having more in the tank and being a generally better baseliner than 2015 Federer. I'm still inclined to consider Federer's peak there higher on the basis of it being more dominant (those masterclasses against Agassi, Hewitt, Blake, Ferrer and of course Nadal x4), but it gets moot given the surface variation...

Same with IW, I'd rate Fed's peak slightly higher based on old masterclasses e.g. against Blake and him taking sets off peak Djokovic (2011, 2015) and almost beating prime Djokovic (2014), but Djokovic is the more consistent player and is now rightfully the greatest at IW with 5 titles to Roger's 4.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
I guess "medium" HC is where it gets tricky. Where is the line, what measure of speed/bounce makes for equilibrium between the two? Especially considering that courts don't stay exactly the same from year to year, and even moderate changes can affect the result. E.g. Federer used to dominate the YEC, now Djokovic has been doing it - but I understand the tournament was usually faster during Federer's time than it has been recently. Djokovic did beat a still strong Federer in 2012, but it was a very close match despite being a two-setter, so not really telling. 2015 was clearly slow, and both looked quite tired in the final to me, with Djokovic predictably having more in the tank and being a generally better baseliner than 2015 Federer. I'm still inclined to consider Federer's peak there higher on the basis of it being more dominant (those masterclasses against Agassi, Hewitt, Blake, Ferrer and of course Nadal x4), but it gets moot given the surface variation...

Same with IW, I'd rate Fed's peak slightly higher based on old masterclasses e.g. against Blake and him taking sets off peak Djokovic (2011, 2015) and almost beating prime Djokovic (2014), but Djokovic is the more consistent player and is now rightfully the greatest at IW with 5 titles to Roger's 4.
Still Fed managed to defeat Djoko on a slow HC more recently than the other 3 players in the Big 4 (WTF 2015). Just a RR match, I know, but not bad.
 

Tardigrade

Banned
I guess "medium" HC is where it gets tricky. Where is the line, what measure of speed/bounce makes for equilibrium between the two? Especially considering that courts don't stay exactly the same from year to year, and even moderate changes can affect the result. E.g. Federer used to dominate the YEC, now Djokovic has been doing it - but I understand the tournament was usually faster during Federer's time than it has been recently. Djokovic did beat a still strong Federer in 2012, but it was a very close match despite being a two-setter, so not really telling. 2015 was clearly slow, and both looked quite tired in the final to me, with Djokovic predictably having more in the tank and being a generally better baseliner than 2015 Federer. I'm still inclined to consider Federer's peak there higher on the basis of it being more dominant (those masterclasses against Agassi, Hewitt, Blake, Ferrer and of course Nadal x4), but it gets moot given the surface variation...

Same with IW, I'd rate Fed's peak slightly higher based on old masterclasses e.g. against Blake and him taking sets off peak Djokovic (2011, 2015) and almost beating prime Djokovic (2014), but Djokovic is the more consistent player and is now rightfully the greatest at IW with 5 titles to Roger's 4.

I think Djokovic is best IW and Miami player. He's virtually been in most finals in these events since 2007.

Edit: Agassi close #2 at Miami
 

AnOctorokForDinner

Talk Tennis Guru
I think Djokovic is best IW and Miami player. He's virtually been in most finals in these events since 2007.

Edit: Agassi close #2 at Miami

Miami is obviously currently Djokovic/Agassi, with Djokovic having plenty of time to pull away unless he flops, which I don't expect regardless of his struggles.

Djokovic's IW results since 2007: F-W-QF-R16-W-SF-SF-W-W-W
Federer's IW results since 2004: W-W-W-R64-SF-SF-R32-SF-W-QF-F-F-A

Djokovic is greater because 5>4, but that's not a peak comparison...

After dominating 2004-2006, Federer mugged 2007-2010 (straight set losses to Canas, Fish, breadsticked by Murray, choked to Baghdatis), but has only been stopped by Djokovic & Nadal since 2011, good for an old man, hm?
Djokovic mugged 2009-10 (straight set losses to Roddick and Ljubicic), but has been rock solid otherwise, losing only to peaking Nadal, Botsner and del Potro.

Both pretty great. Djokovic has time to pull away (further), still I think for peaks Federer is in the conversation too.
 

AnOctorokForDinner

Talk Tennis Guru
Still Fed managed to defeat Djoko on a slow HC more recently than the other 3 players in the Big 4 (WTF 2015). Just a RR match, I know, but not bad.

Since Windovic got his clock cleaned by Haas's cunning in Miami '13 until the recent emergence of Imazovic and subsequent Paris loss to Cilic among others, the Swiss duo were the only ones to beat Djovak on the slowed down quintet of AO-IW-Miami-Paris-WTF, with Wawrinka outclutching him in his AO lair and Federer snatching a RR win at the WTF... a small prize, but breaking yet another streak was pretty nice.
 

Tardigrade

Banned
Miami is obviously currently Djokovic/Agassi, with Djokovic having plenty of time to pull away unless he flops, which I don't expect regardless of his struggles.

Djokovic's IW results since 2007: F-W-QF-R16-W-SF-SF-W-W-W
Federer's IW results since 2004: W-W-W-R64-SF-SF-R32-SF-W-QF-F-F-A

Djokovic is greater because 5>4, but that's not a peak comparison...

After dominating 2004-2006, Federer mugged 2007-2010 (straight set losses to Canas, Fish, breadsticked by Murray, choked to Baghdatis), but has only been stopped by Djokovic & Nadal since 2011, good for an old man, hm?
Djokovic mugged 2009-10 (straight set losses to Roddick and Ljubicic), but has been rock solid otherwise, losing only to peaking Nadal, Botsner and del Potro.

Both pretty great. Djokovic has time to pull away (further), still I think for peaks Federer is in the conversation too.


Losing to Roddick and Haas is not mugging. Djokovic didn't play well at IW 09, and to tell you truth Roddick wasn't really that good considering he won 6-2 6-3. For me, Haas and Roddick were some of the most respectable players for a guy like Djokovic to lose to. I can't say Federer, Djokovic or Nadal mugged any MS events, their records show that they have pretty much always tried to win.



The only player who really did mug the MS titles was Nalbandian. I remember him beating Djokovic, Nadal and Federer back to back in Madrid, then Federer and Nadal back to back in Paris in the 07 season. I swear he barely showed up to these events.
 
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I remember watching this match live also. I liked what I saw from Novak very early on.
 

AnOctorokForDinner

Talk Tennis Guru
Losing to Roddick and Haas is not mugging. Djokovic didn't play well at IW 09, and to tell you truth Roddick wasn't really that good considering he won 6-2 6-3. For me, Haas and Roddick were some of the most respectable players for a guy like Djokovic to lose to. I can't say Federer, Djokovic or Nadal mugged any MS events, their records show that they have pretty much always tried to win.

The only player who really did mug the MS titles was Nalbandian. I remember him beating Djokovic, Nadal and Federer back to back in Madrid, then Federer and Nadal back to back in Paris in the 07 season. I swear he barely showed up to these events.

I meant mugging as playing well below one's standards (mugging it up). It's not about who you lose to, it's about how you lose. Getting pretty much dominated 6-2 6-3 by Roddick and 6-2 6-4 by Haas is not Djokovic's normal level, neither is getting dominated by Canas and Fish for Federer, nor eating a breadstick - losing to Murray is ok, but 6-1 is bad. (I think in-form Federer/Djokovic should take at least 2 games per set even against a zoning opponent - have never seen them playing well and still eating bakery products, only if they are visibly off. Even in that RG 08 final Federer should have held a couple more times, could've avoided bakery like Djokovic did, but made far too many UEs.)

Nalby is really a sorry case, had he had a champion's mindset, he could have rivalled the big 3/4 - had all the tools bar a weak serve, which is a shot that can always be improved with rigorous training. Fat Dave was content being where he was, though, showing a spark of genius on the occasion. Sadly, the most talented of Fed's generational rivals along with Safin had the weakest will.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
I meant mugging as playing well below one's standards (mugging it up). It's not about who you lose to, it's about how you lose. Getting pretty much dominated 6-2 6-3 by Roddick and 6-2 6-4 by Haas is not Djokovic's normal level, neither is getting dominated by Canas and Fish for Federer, nor eating a breadstick - losing to Murray is ok, but 6-1 is bad. (I think in-form Federer/Djokovic should take at least 2 games per set even against a zoning opponent - have never seen them playing well and still eating bakery products, only if they are visibly off. Even in that RG 08 final Federer should have held a couple more times, could've avoided bakery like Djokovic did, but made far too many UEs.)

Nalby is really a sorry case, had he had a champion's mindset, he could have rivalled the big 3/4 - had all the tools bar a weak serve, which is a shot that can always be improved with rigorous training. Fat Dave was content being where he was, though, showing a spark of genius on the occasion. Sadly, the most talented of Fed's generational rivals along with Safin had the weakest will.
Nalby was still better than anybody of the Lost generation.
 

AnOctorokForDinner

Talk Tennis Guru
Nalby was still better than anybody of the Lost generation.
Because they don't come close to his innate talent. Raonic and Nishikori are hardworking chaps, they just don't have it in them. A modern comparison would be Kyrgios, although of course he is a long way away from Dave at the moment, but he is clearly the most talented of the 90s folks. If someone or something can convince him to apply himself fully, a multiple Slam winner will be born, but for now it's all in the head, unfortunately.
 

5555

Hall of Fame
2006 was the year when Federer was at his absolute peak but he needed 3 sets to beat very young Djokovic who was not yet in the Top 60. Can you imagine what would peak Djokovic have done to this Federer?
 

Tardigrade

Banned
Because they don't come close to his innate talent. Raonic and Nishikori are hardworking chaps, they just don't have it in them. A modern comparison would be Kyrgios, although of course he is a long way away from Dave at the moment, but he is clearly the most talented of the 90s folks. If someone or something can convince him to apply himself fully, a multiple Slam winner will be born, but for now it's all in the head, unfortunately.

If Nishikori had an above average serve, he would be a slam winner by now. The fact he can hold his own against most players with physical limitations and the worst serve on tour is telling enough about how technically good he is from the baseline, his movement is, in my opinion, only bested by Djokovic and Murray, and his return is amazing. Nishikori will win a slam before he retires IMO. Kyrgios is overrated. His only good win was against Nadal at Wimbledon.
 
2006 was the year when Federer was at his absolute peak but he needed 3 sets to beat very young Djokovic who was not yet in the Top 60. Can you imagine what would peak Djokovic have done to this Federer?

well peak djokovic was beated by 30 years old fed in garros 2011...so???
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
2006 was the year when Federer was at his absolute peak but he needed 3 sets to beat very young Djokovic who was not yet in the Top 60. Can you imagine what would peak Djokovic have done to this Federer?
Absolute peak Nole in 2011 was beaten by Federer at the FO.
 

AnOctorokForDinner

Talk Tennis Guru
If Nishikori had an above average serve, he would be a slam winner by now. The fact he can hold his own against most players with physical limitations and the worst serve on tour is telling enough about how technically good he is from the baseline, his movement is, in my opinion, only bested by Djokovic and Murray, and his return is amazing. Nishikori will win a slam before he retires IMO. Kyrgios is overrated. His only good win was against Nadal at Wimbledon.

The serve is the most important shot in tennis. Kyrgios was a tiebreak away from beating Nishikori in Madrid (iirc) just by serving out of his mind, even though Kei dominated baseline exchanges. Kyrgios himself is not bad in rallies when he really applies himself. Make him focused, and he'll be a major winner, no doubt.
 

KINGROGER

G.O.A.T.
Absolute peak Nole in 2011 was beaten by Federer at the FO.

He was also dominated 1st set at AO but Fed choked and was unlucky not to win. He dominated the entire USO SF match too but djokovic hit a couple of lucky shots then Grandad Fed choked.
This is why 11 isn't as high on my ATG years.

Grandad Fed also owned Peak Djokovic at 2012 Wimbledon SF. Imagine what Peak Fed would do? And we're not discussing some meaningless masters title like Monte Carlo either...

As for who's better on each surface. Fed at his best is much better at both Wimbledon and USO. AO much better on RA, marginally better on plexicushion (evidenced by 2011 AO SF 1st set and 09-10)

Take Nadal away and Fed wins 6 RG titles (2005-2009 and 2011) Djokovic wins 4 (2012, 2013, 2014, 2016) plus grandad Fed owned Peak djokovic there, so it's conclusive that Fed is superior.
 
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nowhereman

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Thanks for the upload! I checked out your channel, and wow you've got some very rare Fed matches. Where do you get them?
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Their first Career meeting. I watched this live over 10 years ago, and had been wanting to watch it again. Recently got hold of it, and uploaded it to YouTube. My 4th time ever seeing Novak play.


When I watch a match, I write notes while watching, just so I can go back to them if my memory gets a little hazy. Usually in some detail. It was a interesting read looking back at my notes over 10 years old. Here they are if you're interested. It is quite long.

2006 Monte Carlo R1 - [1] Roger Federer vs [Q] Novak Djokovic. Roger wins 6/3 2/6 6/3.

Roger #1 in the world, Novak #67 in the world. Pascal Maria is the Umpire. Novak holds to 30 for 1-0. Settle some nerves. Quite the confident start form Novak, has nothing to lose really, so going for his shots. Great backhand dtl for the winner. Missed forehand from Fed and it's deuce. Good serve and forehands from Fed, and he levels it at 1-1. A couple of poor errors from Novak, and it's love 30. Forehand into the net and Fed has 3 BPs. Poor game here. Novak saves 2 BPs. Brilliant forehands into Fed's backhand side, pushing him further back. Deuce. 4th BP. Chip backhand from Fed on the return not enough. Deuce. Mishit from Novak, and Fed has a 5th BP. Novak very aggressive, but finally misses a forehand inside out. Fed breaks for 2-1. Solid hold for 3-1. Spreading the court nicely. Novak with a solid hold. 2-3. Love hold for Roger. 4-2. Novak just a bit too inconsistent off the ground right now to make any big damage. Fed playing solid. Brilliant point to close out that 6th game though. Finishing it off with a great transition to the net. Good touch on the drop volley. Fed starting to come alive a bit more. Big inside out forehand, and it's 30-30. The forehand from Federer just lands in and skids off the baseline, making it impossible for Novak to play it. BP Fed. Poor backhand from Fed and it's deuce. Great hustle from Novak, and he holds on for 3-4. Fed had a decent chance to break again. A few more errors from Fed here. 15-30. Serve and forehand combo, finishing it with a drop volley. 30-30. A couple of good 1st serves and Fed holds for 5-3. Novak seems to struggle around the forecourt. Love 30 here. Massive injection of pace from Fed, and he has 2 SPs. Fed forces the forehand error, and breaks for 6/3. Novak just looking outclassed right now. Needs to keep the errors down. Fed still can raise his level a couple of gears, but overall a decent set from Fed. Could serve much better, only at 48% in. 9-15 for Fed, to Novak's 4-15 in terms of winners-UEs.

Brilliant hold from Fed. Backhand flick pass at 40-15. Majority of Fed's placement going to the backhand side of Novak. Massive forehand dtl from Novak from well out, and he holds for 1-1. A couple of forehand misses from Fed, and Novak has 15-30. Good forehand dtl from Novak, forces Fed to hit a defensive backhand reply which floats long. 2 BPs. A 3rd forehand error, and Djokovic has the early break in the 2nd. Didn't see that coming. Novak looks lost at the net. A lot of room for improvement there. Playing some nice tennis from the baseline right now though. Big forehands. Nice hold to 30 for 3-1. Fighting hard. Fed needs to sharpen his game, especially off that forehand side. Novak ripping forehands right now. High intensity from him. 15-30. Making great use of this momentum he has built. 30-30. 2nd serve and volley from Fed catching Novak off guard. 40-30. Fed holds on for 2-3. Fed in a little bit of a slump right now. Spraying errors. Great forehand approach from Fed, but a terrible forehand volley. Djokovic holds to 15 for 4-2. Keeping the error count very low. Brilliant return from Novak off the backhand side, and he has love 30. Looking extremely confident right now. Great serve and backhand combo from Fed, and it's 30-30. Drop shot from Novak, Fed gets there, but nets the backhand pass attempt. BP Novak. Forehand long, and Novak breaks for 5-2. Excellent fight from this guy. Fed looks ready for the 3rd set. Not putting much effort into this return game. Big forehand skids off the line from Novak, and he has 3 SPs. 2 saved. Novak a little tight trying to serve it out. Big forehand miss, and it's deuce. Forehand wide from Fed, and Novak has a 4th SP. Fed comes in after a big forehand approach and completely shanks the volley. Novak has the 2nd set. A much cleaner set than the 1st from Novak. Playing more freely as well. Fed looking poor, especially off that forehand side. 3rd set will be interesting. Fed 8-15 to Novak's 7-6. Fed's not that different from the 1st, but the FEs seems lower in the 2nd set for Novak. Fed only at 55% 1st in, but winning only 50% on 1st and 2nd. Djokovic serving at 54% 1st in, but with much better numbers.

30-30 on Fed's serve. Novak's forehand just long. 40-30. Nice serve out wide, and Fed holds to start the final set. Novak has to be careful here. Sneaky drop shot attempt from him lands in the net. Forehand shank and it's 15-30. 30-30. Court was open for Fed there. Poor drop shot from Novak, and Fed rolls it dtl but it lands wide. The Fed forehand now with 6 winners and 22 UEs. Really needs to get that side going. Novak maybe a bit too impatient at times. Deuce here. Fed has BP here. The Novak forehand letting him down in that game. Fed breaks for 2-0. Looks like experience will come through right now. Novak spraying more errors here. He's come a long way though, since I saw him 1st at the AO last year against Safin. Fed cruises to 3-0 lead. Novak can't keep up that form he was showing in the 2nd. 15-30 here, Novak serving. Novak falling apart in the 3rd set. 2 BPs. Fed not doing anything special by any means. Good response from Novak, and it's deuce. Signs of frustration from Fed for the 1st time. Novak manages to hold for 1-3. Just hanging in there. Fast love hold for 4-1. Fed has 15-30 here. Forehand looking better now. Deuce. Novak toughens out the hold for 2-4. Fed races to a 5-2 lead. Fed closing in. 30-30. Massive DF from Novak, shanked the serve. MP for Fed. Good serve and forehand combo to save it. Deuce. Novak comes through another tough service game. Fed to serve for the match. Novak with a huge forehand approach, but hits the backhand volley right back to Federer who drives it dtl for the passing shot winner. 30-0. Novak headbutts the net, haha. 3 MPs for Fed. 2 saved. Novak hits his forehand long, and Fed wins. A good opening test for Roger this match. Wasn't the cleanest match by any means, especially on the serve and forehand. Should raise his level as the tournament progresses. Novak fought well, and displayed some great skills, especially in that 2nd set. Fun match all round.

8/10.

Time: 1 hour, 48 minutes.

Stats

Federer: 1 Ace, 0 DFs, 51% 1st, 72% 1st won, 63% 2nd won, 25 winners, 37 UEs, 3/11 BPs won, 87 points won.
Djokovic: 1 Ace, 4 DFs, 64% 1st, 58% 1st won, 59% 2nd won, 21 winners, 39 UEs, 2/2 BPs won, 78 points won.

So hard to imagine a time when Djokovic was ranked #67 in the world! :)
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Losing to Roddick and Haas is not mugging. Djokovic didn't play well at IW 09, and to tell you truth Roddick wasn't really that good considering he won 6-2 6-3. For me, Haas and Roddick were some of the most respectable players for a guy like Djokovic to lose to. I can't say Federer, Djokovic or Nadal mugged any MS events, their records show that they have pretty much always tried to win.



The only player who really did mug the MS titles was Nalbandian. I remember him beating Djokovic, Nadal and Federer back to back in Madrid, then Federer and Nadal back to back in Paris in the 07 season. I swear he barely showed up to these events.

He went a bit mad back in 2007. Outside of those back to back titles, he made 4 other MS finals: 2003 Canada (lost to Roddick) 2004 Rome (lost to Moya) 2004 Madrid (lost to Safin) and 2008 Paris (lost to Tsonga).
 
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5555

Hall of Fame
Absolute peak Nole in 2011 was beaten by Federer at the FO.

It was not absolute peak Djokovic. Read what Steve Flink said:

"Much to his misfortune, Djokovic met Gasquet on the middle Sunday and did not play again until his appointment with Federer on Friday. Having four days off at a Grand Slam event is not what he needed, but the Italian Fabio Fognini had to default to Djokovic in the quarterfinals with an injury, and that surely took the Serbian out of his routine and threw him off stride. At the outset against Federer, Djokovic was clearly missing more than usual, and he kept losing his footing inexplicably. The self assurance and unwavering consistency of his baseline game that had been so apparent all year were not up to snuff...It was a terrific tennis match, featuring startling rallies, supreme athleticism, and unshakable pride on both sides of the net. But while Federer was the Federer of old, Djokovic was not really the Djokovic who had won 41 matches in a row across 2011 and 43 straight contests altogether since November of 2010. He did not play well in either tie-break, did not close out the first set when he had the two set points, did not serve out the fourth set at 5-4. He was not nearly as composed and unruffled as he has been all through the year."

http://tennischannel.com/steve-flink-french-open-retrospective-2/



 

KINGROGER

G.O.A.T.
It was not absolute peak Djokovic. Read what Steve Flink said:

"Much to his misfortune, Djokovic met Gasquet on the middle Sunday and did not play again until his appointment with Federer on Friday. Having four days off at a Grand Slam event is not what he needed, but the Italian Fabio Fognini had to default to Djokovic in the quarterfinals with an injury, and that surely took the Serbian out of his routine and threw him off stride. At the outset against Federer, Djokovic was clearly missing more than usual, and he kept losing his footing inexplicably. The self assurance and unwavering consistency of his baseline game that had been so apparent all year were not up to snuff...It was a terrific tennis match, featuring startling rallies, supreme athleticism, and unshakable pride on both sides of the net. But while Federer was the Federer of old, Djokovic was not really the Djokovic who had won 41 matches in a row across 2011 and 43 straight contests altogether since November of 2010. He did not play well in either tie-break, did not close out the first set when he had the two set points, did not serve out the fourth set at 5-4. He was not nearly as composed and unruffled as he has been all through the year."

http://tennischannel.com/steve-flink-french-open-retrospective-2/


Haha this is rubbish. 2011 was peak Federer but not peak Djokovic lolololol
 
It was not absolute peak Djokovic. Read what Steve Flink said:

"Much to his misfortune, Djokovic met Gasquet on the middle Sunday and did not play again until his appointment with Federer on Friday. Having four days off at a Grand Slam event is not what he needed, but the Italian Fabio Fognini had to default to Djokovic in the quarterfinals with an injury, and that surely took the Serbian out of his routine and threw him off stride. At the outset against Federer, Djokovic was clearly missing more than usual, and he kept losing his footing inexplicably. The self assurance and unwavering consistency of his baseline game that had been so apparent all year were not up to snuff...It was a terrific tennis match, featuring startling rallies, supreme athleticism, and unshakable pride on both sides of the net. But while Federer was the Federer of old, Djokovic was not really the Djokovic who had won 41 matches in a row across 2011 and 43 straight contests altogether since November of 2010. He did not play well in either tie-break, did not close out the first set when he had the two set points, did not serve out the fourth set at 5-4. He was not nearly as composed and unruffled as he has been all through the year."

http://tennischannel.com/steve-flink-french-open-retrospective-2/
The article makes a logical mistake by assuming Djokovic not converting chances means he was not at his best.

To make my breakdown,Djokovic netted 2 makeable returns at 5-4 40-30 in the 1st and 5-5 40-30 in the 4th+choked the 1st set TB.
Federer was too good when he broke Djokovic at 5-4 in the 4th and than in the 4th set TB.

While he was not as clutch or sharp as the Rome final,even after having 4 days off,Djokovic still probably played his best match the entire tournament in that SF.

Haha this is rubbish. 2011 was peak Federer but not peak Djokovic lolololol
Both were at peak level that day(even if Federer was past-prime yeah),so get over it.
He won 2 very close sets,one with the help of Chokeovic,one with clutch play.
 

KINGROGER

G.O.A.T.
The article makes a logical mistake by assuming Djokovic not converting chances means he was not at his best.

To make my breakdown,Djokovic netted 2 makeable returns at 5-4 40-30 in the 1st and 5-5 40-30 in the 4th+choked the 1st set TB.
Federer was too good when he broke Djokovic at 5-4 in the 4th and than in the 4th set TB.

While he was not as clutch or sharp as the Rome final,even after having 4 days off,Djokovic still probably played his best match the entire tournament in that SF.


Both were at peak level that day(even if Federer was past-prime yeah),so get over it.
He won 2 very close sets,one with the help of Chokeovic,one with clutch play.

No chance, Fed was nowhere near peak level. 05-07 or 09 Fed on clay would comfortable beat 2011 Fed in 3 or 4 sets. It's just that a diminished Fed is still slightly better than Djokovic at his peak. Peak Federer is on a different level, along with Nadal too. Djokovic came into his prime at the right time, with both Federer and Nadal declining, allowing him to clean up. That guy really should have 20+ slams by now.
 

KINGROGER

G.O.A.T.
I will say this, 2011 Federer played at peak level up to 5-2 in the final vs Nadal. Then Nadal won a couple of lucky points to save SP, then Federer did his choking act and allowed the luck to play on his mind and unsettle him. He did exactly the same thing at 5-2 vs Djokovic at the USO that year. Djokovic hits a lucky return winner then Fed allows himself to get rattled. I firmly believe he wins both those tournaments if he converts those SP and MP. Fed played some peak level tennis in set 2 also vs Nadal, but it was too late after that first set vs post peak but prime Nadal on clay.

No idea what the hell Fed was doing playing to Nadal's backhand so often... Nadal left so much space on his forehand side...
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Of course he was. in 2012 Fed destroyed Djokovic at Wimbledon. That version would've done the same in 2014/15 finals too.

2011 Fed would win 2015 USO too.
2011-2012 Fed could still win the first set against Djokovic in a slam. Those days are gone now.
 

AnOctorokForDinner

Talk Tennis Guru
The article makes a logical mistake by assuming Djokovic not converting chances means he was not at his best.

It pretty much implies that unless Djokovic is at his absolute peak, he's way off his best. An unrealistic condition, since it's impossible to play a top level match without at least slight dips here and there. Classic fanboy bias (yes, I'm aware Roger gets a lot of that).

That victory took a truly massive effort from Federer, that's why it's so great. Had he been a little less clutch on serve, a little more shaky at the end of sets 1 and 4, it could've easily been a close victory for Djokovic.

Novak was somewhat lacking in the first two sets, but still his tennis was strong. Djokovic of the last two sets was surely peak Djokovic, however.
Federer at the time no longer rallied on peak level, but he was still capable of GOATing at the baseline once in a while (more often than post-2013 Oldеrer), and Servebotterer was in full flight in that legendary match, Djok was still better in rallies actually, but Fed's serve saved him again and again. Still had Federer not found inspiration and caught peak mode at the end of the fourth, Djokovic would have won it, and they would play the fifth on the next day, with Djokovic favoured to win. So the truth remains that the score suggests correctly, and Federer outclutched Djokovic to end his domination streak. Some consolation after being outclutched by Nadal so many times, eh? :eek:
 

Gazelle

G.O.A.T.
It was not absolute peak Djokovic. Read what Steve Flink said:

"Much to his misfortune, Djokovic met Gasquet on the middle Sunday and did not play again until his appointment with Federer on Friday. Having four days off at a Grand Slam event is not what he needed, but the Italian Fabio Fognini had to default to Djokovic in the quarterfinals with an injury, and that surely took the Serbian out of his routine and threw him off stride"

http://tennischannel.com/steve-flink-french-open-retrospective-2/

At the AO 2014, Djokovic actually played Fognini (fourth round), and still lost in the next round (against Wawrinka). So there goes your argument.
 

The Green Mile

Bionic Poster
It was not absolute peak Djokovic. Read what Steve Flink said:

"Much to his misfortune, Djokovic met Gasquet on the middle Sunday and did not play again until his appointment with Federer on Friday. Having four days off at a Grand Slam event is not what he needed, but the Italian Fabio Fognini had to default to Djokovic in the quarterfinals with an injury, and that surely took the Serbian out of his routine and threw him off stride. At the outset against Federer, Djokovic was clearly missing more than usual, and he kept losing his footing inexplicably. The self assurance and unwavering consistency of his baseline game that had been so apparent all year were not up to snuff...It was a terrific tennis match, featuring startling rallies, supreme athleticism, and unshakable pride on both sides of the net. But while Federer was the Federer of old, Djokovic was not really the Djokovic who had won 41 matches in a row across 2011 and 43 straight contests altogether since November of 2010. He did not play well in either tie-break, did not close out the first set when he had the two set points, did not serve out the fourth set at 5-4. He was not nearly as composed and unruffled as he has been all through the year."

http://tennischannel.com/steve-flink-french-open-retrospective-2/


So you argue that Djokovic at 2011 FO wasn't playing at his best, but you say that peak Federer needed 3 sets to beat young Djokovic at MC? Did you watch the match? Similar scenario to that Murray match in Cincinnati. Fed played even worse there, one of his worst performances of the year. Murray was solid though, and didn't overplay a lot. Well within himself. A solid 8/10.

I don't think Djokovic played his absolute best in that FO SF, but he played much better than what Fed played against Djoko in MC 2006.
 

kishnabe

Talk Tennis Guru
2006 was the year when Federer was at his absolute peak but he needed 3 sets to beat very young Djokovic who was not yet in the Top 60. Can you imagine what would peak Djokovic have done to this Federer?
Everyone has off days....Grampsderer has Bageled Peak Novack...Djokovic will always be the lesser player.

Learn to live with it.
 
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