Federer vs Djokovic - Monte Carlo 2006

The Green Mile

Bionic Poster
These early matches don't mean much in terms of who's winning what if playing at their best, if that's what you think. Including the matches that Fed won. People love to quote matches where one of the players were obviously not at their best.
 

KINGROGER

G.O.A.T.
Everyone has off days....Grampsderer has Bageled Peak Novack...Djokovic will always be the lesser player.

Learn to live with it.

Yep

Federer is on another level.

Djokovic is lucky he won most of his slams after Federer declined. Otherwise he wouldn't have any Wimbledon or USO titles.
 

The Green Mile

Bionic Poster
Yep

Federer is on another level.

Djokovic is lucky he won most of his slams after Federer declined. Otherwise he wouldn't have any Wimbledon or USO titles.
To be fair, Djokovic was crap in that 1st set. And Federer is much better fast-court player to begin with.
 

metsman

Talk Tennis Guru
So you argue that Djokovic at 2011 FO wasn't playing at his best, but you say that peak Federer needed 3 sets to beat young Djokovic at MC? Did you watch the match? Similar scenario to that Murray match in Cincinnati. Fed played even worse there, one of his worst performances of the year. Murray was solid though, and didn't overplay a lot. Well within himself. A solid 8/10.

I don't think Djokovic played his absolute best in that FO SF, but he played much better than what Fed played against Djoko in MC 2006.
Djokovic didn't play his absolute best in the FO SF but he has some problems bringing his absolute best to RG. Given that, 2011 RG semi is one of the best matches he has played at RG against an in form opponent.

And Fed was serving his best, better than at his peak generally, sure but his ground game was at an average level compared to his peak days so it's not like it was absolute peak Fed either. So a peak for peak matchup would have a much different dynamic so I don't think that match gives us any conclusive answer. I think both played well in the first and fourth sets and Djoker was bad in the 2nd, Fed was bad in the third and that's how the match went. I think Fed's best level is higher than Novak's best level on clay but Novak's consistency and average level might be higher.
 

Soul_Evisceration

Hall of Fame
2006 was the year when Federer was at his absolute peak but he needed 3 sets to beat very young Djokovic who was not yet in the Top 60. Can you imagine what would peak Djokovic have done to this Federer?

If you would of watched the match like a true fan instead of judging a scoreline, you would know that Federer was very erratic and sloppy with his forehand and serves. If he would of played a good match, he would of beat Djokovic alot easie but you are such a basketcase that you are blinded by Djokovic's backside day in day out.
 

5555

Hall of Fame
The article makes a logical mistake by assuming Djokovic not converting chances means he was not at his best.

Are you sure Flink is assuming that?

You're in denial. Nole was at his peak in 2011 and got humbled by Federer who's past his primed.

You are delusional. Djokovic did not play his best tennis in every match in 2011.

At the AO 2014, Djokovic actually played Fognini (fourth round), and still lost in the next round (against Wawrinka). So there goes your argument.

Djokovic did not lose rhythm at 2011 FO after Fognini's withdrawal?

I don't think Djokovic played his absolute best in that FO SF, but he played much better than what Fed played against Djoko in MC 2006.

Djokovic was No. 67 when he played Federer in MC 2006.

Everyone has off days....Grampsderer has Bageled Peak Novack

Djokovic had an off day in the final at 2012 Cincinnati and at that time Federer was No. 1 in the ATP rankings. It's much less embarrassing then Federer needing 3 sets to bet Djokovic when he was No. 67.

Djokovic will always be the lesser player.

Learn to live with it.

Wishful thinking.

If you would of watched the match like a true fan instead of judging a scoreline, you would know that Federer was very erratic and sloppy with his forehand and serves. If he would of played a good match, he would of beat Djokovic alot easie but you are such a basketcase that you are blinded by Djokovic's backside day in day out.

I have often seen Federer fans imply the following:

1. Djokovic was at his absolute peak in 2011
2. Federer beat Djokovic at FO 2011
3. Therefore, Federer beat absolute peak Djokovic at FO 2011

They are now getting the taste of their own medicine. That's what I am doing in this thread but you are too dumb to understand it.
 
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xFullCourtTenniSx

Hall of Fame
Are you sure Flink is assuming that?



You are delusional. Djokovic did not play his best tennis in every match in 2011.



Djokovic did not lose rhythm at 2011 FO after Fognini's withdrawal?



Djokovic was No. 67 when he played Federer in MC 2006.



Djokovic had an off day in the final at 2012 Cincinnati and at that time Federer was No. 1 in the ATP rankings. It's much less embarrassing then Federer needing 3 sets to bet Djokovic when he was No. 67.



Wishful thinking.



I have often seen Federer fans imply the following:

1. Djokovic was at his absolute peak in 2011
2. Federer beat Djokovic at FO 2011
3. Therefore, Federer beat absolute peak Djokovic at FO 2011

They are now getting the taste of their own medicine. That's what I am doing in this thread but you are too dumb to understand it.

1) Among other mistakes, yes. It was already outlined by other posts in this thread.

2) Obviously not, nobody does, but you guys use similar arguments to imply silly points as well. As other people have pointed out, Gasquet ACTUALLY WON in Federer's statistically best year. What has it meant? Absolutely nothing. There's also the fact that very few have been able to touch "Peak Fed" outside of clay. He would've probably swept 2006 if everything was played on hard court and grass, with a similar record in 2005. Instead, the match was on clay, a condition that favors Djokovic. If you want to contest that, you're either saying a) Djokovic isn't an amazing clay court player, or b) Federer is as good as Djokovic on clay.

3) Why should he? He has access to the courts to practice on. If anything, he should be playing better. He has complained about issues related to his poor conditioning before. Having to play fewer sets should be in his favor. The fact is, the argument is a shaky one. It's like an excuse Nole would actually use for why he lost. Players lose because they got outplayed. Whether it was because they underperformed or the other guy overperformed doesn't matter.

4) Nobody gives a flying f*ck. Gasquet still outperformed him a year beforehand.

5) It's not wishful, it's subjective. Arguments can be made either way. Both players have displayed absurdly high levels of performance on the court.

6) The difference being, Federer actually won both referenced matches. So no, it's not that people are too dumb to understand it, it's just that your argument is so weak that it doesn't hold water. If you want a good comparison, then use Federer taking Djokovic to 5 sets at the 2014 Wimbledon with a new racket, dinking half his backhands, post prime, somehow makes him the superior player. He lost the match. He did VERY well to get to 5 sets, but it means nothing. If he won, you have an argument. But he lost, so all you have is speculation. Yes, people will make these stupid ass arguments, like you just tried to do, and some of the more rational-minded people will call them out for it (or the irrational-minded will poke at the obvious holes of the argument). Beyond that, you let the fanatics just tear into each other while you eat some popcorn.
 

Soul_Evisceration

Hall of Fame
Are you sure Flink is assuming that?



You are delusional. Djokovic did not play his best tennis in every match in 2011.



Djokovic did not lose rhythm at 2011 FO after Fognini's withdrawal?



Djokovic was No. 67 when he played Federer in MC 2006.



Djokovic had an off day in the final at 2012 Cincinnati and at that time Federer was No. 1 in the ATP rankings. It's much less embarrassing then Federer needing 3 sets to bet Djokovic when he was No. 67.



Wishful thinking.



I have often seen Federer fans imply the following:

1. Djokovic was at his absolute peak in 2011
2. Federer beat Djokovic at FO 2011
3. Therefore, Federer beat absolute peak Djokovic at FO 2011

They are now getting the taste of their own medicine. That's what I am doing in this thread but you are too dumb to understand it.
Are you sure Flink is assuming that?



You are delusional. Djokovic did not play his best tennis in every match in 2011.



Djokovic did not lose rhythm at 2011 FO after Fognini's withdrawal?



Djokovic was No. 67 when he played Federer in MC 2006.



Djokovic had an off day in the final at 2012 Cincinnati and at that time Federer was No. 1 in the ATP rankings. It's much less embarrassing then Federer needing 3 sets to bet Djokovic when he was No. 67.



Wishful thinking.



I have often seen Federer fans imply the following:

1. Djokovic was at his absolute peak in 2011
2. Federer beat Djokovic at FO 2011
3. Therefore, Federer beat absolute peak Djokovic at FO 2011

They are now getting the taste of their own medicine. That's what I am doing in this thread but you are too dumb to understand it.

Listen Dum Phuk, I just meant the Federer/Djokovic 2006 Monte Carlo match. I didn't mean the overall career head to head or 2011 but since you got your nose all browned and shined up really good on Nole, you won't listen.

If you took the time to watch the match which you clearly have not seen, Federer was a error machine that day. Sometimes there are meaningless encounters and that one certainly fits the bill.

I much prefer their 2009 Dubai encounter or Australian Open 2008 or US Open 2007 for instance.
 
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5555, . . TMF, . . . . your averge fanboy, . . Novak Djokovic, . . Roger Federer
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5555 said:
My favourite male idol was better than your favourite male idol.
TMF said:
No, my favorite male idol was better than your favorite male idol.
5555 said:
No, my favourite male idol was better
TMF said:
No, my male idol was better..
 

5555

Hall of Fame
Among other mistakes, yes.

No.

you're either saying a) Djokovic isn't an amazing clay court player, or b) Federer is as good as Djokovic on clay.

Is it a fact or an opinion?

Why should he? He has access to the courts to practice on. If anything, he should be playing better. He has complained about issues related to his poor conditioning before. Having to play fewer sets should be in his favor. The fact is, the argument is a shaky one. It's like an excuse Nole would actually use for why he lost. Players lose because they got outplayed. Whether it was because they underperformed or the other guy overperformed doesn't matter.

There is a huge difference between practice and real matches. Not playing for 5 days can get some players out of their routine.

Gasquet still outperformed him a year beforehand.

So what?

It's not wishful, it's subjective. Arguments can be made either way. Both players have displayed absurdly high levels of performance on the court.

kishnabe said "Deal with it" and so made an allegation of fact. It's wishful thinking.

The difference being, Federer actually won both referenced matches. So no, it's not that people are too dumb to understand it, it's just that your argument is so weak that it doesn't hold water. If you want a good comparison, then use Federer taking Djokovic to 5 sets at the 2014 Wimbledon with a new racket, dinking half his backhands, post prime, somehow makes him the superior player. He lost the match. He did VERY well to get to 5 sets, but it means nothing. If he won, you have an argument. But he lost, so all you have is speculation.

Federer won both referenced matches but I believe him needing 3 sets to beat Djokovic when he was No. 67 is worse than Djokovic losing to Federer when he was No. 3.

Yes, people will make these stupid ass arguments, like you just tried to do, and some of the more rational-minded people will call them out for it (or the irrational-minded will poke at the obvious holes of the argument). Beyond that, you let the fanatics just tear into each other while you eat some popcorn.

I enjoy to annoy such posters.

Listen Dum Phuk just meant the Federer/Djokovic 2006 Monte Carlo match. I didn't mean the overall career head to head or 2011 but since you got your nose all browned and shined up really good on Nole, you won't listen.

If you took the time to watch the match which you clearly have not seen, Federer was a error machine that day. Sometimes there are meaningless encounters and that one certainly fits the bill.

I much prefer their 2009 Dubai encounter or Australian Open 2008 or US Open 2007 for instance.

Are you that stupid? Read again what I said in my previous post.
 
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Soul_Evisceration

Hall of Fame
No.



Is it fact or an opinion?



There is huge difference between practice and real matches. Not playing for 5 days can get some players out of their routine.



So what?



kishnabe said "Deal with it" and so made an allegation of fact. It's wishful thinking.



Federer won both referenced matches but I believe him needing 3 sets to beat Djokovic when he was No. 67 is worse than Djokovic losing to Federer when he was No. 3.



I enjoy to annoy such posters.



Are you that stupid? Read again what said in my previous post.

I read what you have replied and quite frankly I don't care regarding their 2011 encounter and onwards or head to head.

I don't care for that $h1t and that's for another topic.

All I was pointing out was if you took the time to watch the match which you didn't, it wasn't a pretty performance by either sides.

But talking to you is like talking through a brick wall.

All you do is p1$$ people off on purpose and give good Djokovic fans a bad name.

There's nothing I can do about your irrational behavior but trying to have common sense talk but it seems like a pointless exercise with you.
 
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xFullCourtTenniSx

Hall of Fame
No.



Is it fact or an opinion?



There is huge difference between practice and real matches. Not playing for 5 days can get some players out of their routine.



So what?



kishnabe said "Deal with it" and so made an allegation of fact. It's wishful thinking.



Federer won both referenced matches but I believe him needing 3 sets to beat Djokovic when he was No. 67 is worse than Djokovic losing to Federer when he was No. 3.



I enjoy to annoy such posters.



Are you that stupid? Read again what said in my previous post.

Sigh... At least you're admitting you're being an absolute dumbass purely for the purpose of pissing people off. It was obvious before, but admitting it is the first step to recovery. I wish you the best.
 

5555

Hall of Fame
I read what you have replied and quite frankly I don't care regarding their 2011 encounter and onwards or head to head.

I don't care for that $h1t and that's for another topic.

All I was pointing out was if you took the time to watch the match which you didn't, it wasn't a pretty performance by either sides.

But talking to you is like talking through a brick wall.

All you do is p1$$ people off on purpose and give good Djokovic fans a bad name.

There's nothing I can do about your irrational behavior but trying to have common sense talk but it seems like a pointless exercise with you.

You are dumb man. I am serious.

Sigh... At least you're admitting you're being an absolute dumbass purely for the purpose of pissing people off. It was obvious before, but admitting it is the first step to recovery. I wish you the best.

You lost the argument. I humiliated you.
 

5555

Hall of Fame
The rest of TTW and worldwide disagrees with you and a relentless physical beating would do us a favor.

You have committed a logical fallacy called argumentum ad populum. This fallacy occurs any time the sheer numbers of people who agree to something is used as a reason to get you to agree to it http://atheism.about.com/od/logicalfallacies/a/numbers.htm

You are being utterly humiliated.

Now THAT is the definition of wishful thinking. You don't even have an argument. ^^ lol

I am a winner.
 

5555

Hall of Fame
Sure whatever that makes you sleep. I am bored of your nonsense.

You are a loser.

The sow who gave birth to you committed a gravitational fallacy called shlttus droppus the moment your sorry ass hit the birthing table.​

Thou art a base, proud, shallow, beggarly, three-suited, hundred-pound, filthy worsted-stocking knave; a lily-liver'd, action-taking, whoreson, glass-gazing, superserviceable, finical rogue; one-trunk-inheriting slave; one that wouldst be a bawd in way of good service, and art nothing but the composition of a knave, beggar, coward, pandar, and the son and heir of a mungril b*tch.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Sorry is that my job? :D

It's not the first time either, I just prefer to pretend he doesn't exist.

Sent from my E6653 using Tapatalk
No, but it's fitting to see more people call him out.

Watch 5555 might do a Shakespearian on you.:D
 

Soul_Evisceration

Hall of Fame
You are a loser.



Thou art a base, proud, shallow, beggarly, three-suited, hundred-pound, filthy worsted-stocking knave; a lily-liver'd, action-taking, whoreson, glass-gazing, superserviceable, finical rogue; one-trunk-inheriting slave; one that wouldst be a bawd in way of good service, and art nothing but the composition of a knave, beggar, coward, pandar, and the son and heir of a mungril b*tch.

Oh no. I am considered a loser from @5555 .

My life is incomplete because I can't underline my facts or opinion and just worship Djokovic like he is a supreme Deity.

You are a nutcase man.
 
I think I might have a problem.

Every time I see a conversation that includes little 6666 I cannot stop laughing hysterically at the end.

Usually after yet another poster (is there anyone, who was in conversation with him and did not conclude the same after some time?) is so frustrated by the wall of BS agains him that he prefers to just let him be and join the party.

:(
 
Thou art a base, proud, shallow, beggarly, three-suited, hundred-pound, filthy worsted-stocking knave; a lily-liver'd, action-taking, whoreson, glass-gazing, superserviceable, finical rogue; one-trunk-inheriting slave; one that wouldst be a bawd in way of good service, and art nothing but the composition of a knave, beggar, coward, pandar, and the son and heir of a mungril b*tch.
Superfluous plagiarizing is labored laziness. .

^ see if you can wrap your pea-brain around the irony....
 
Usually after yet another poster (is there anyone, who was in conversation with him and did not conclude the same after some time?) is so frustrated by the wall of BS agains him that he prefers to just let him be and join the party.
That plagiarizing lightweight 5555? . Better to slap him around like a little mouse for sport - while reminding him of his place :)


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5555

Hall of Fame
No, but it's fitting to see more people call him out.

So, you found a way how to release your anger (Djokovic is in the semifinal of WTF).

Oh no. I am considered a loser from @5555 .

My life is incomplete because I can't underline my facts or opinion and just worship Djokovic like he is a supreme Deity.

You are a nutcase man.

You are a hopeless case man.

I think I might have a problem.

Every time I see a conversation that includes little 6666 I cannot stop laughing hysterically at the end.

Usually after yet another poster (is there anyone, who was in conversation with him and did not conclude the same after some time?) is so frustrated by the wall of BS agains him that he prefers to just let him be and join the party.

:(

Superfluous plagiarizing is labored laziness. .

^ see if you can wrap your pea-brain around the irony....

That plagiarizing lightweight 5555? . Better to slap him around like a little mouse for sport - while reminding him of his place :)


bqgPcJO.gif

I took thee for thy better.
 

Soul_Evisceration

Hall of Fame
So, you found a way how to release your anger (Djokovic is in the semifinal of WTF).



You are a hopeless case man.







I took thee for thy better.

I am hopeless while everyone gangs up on you.

The only hopeless case is you.

Just give it up. You are dead wrong with your analysis, accept it and move on.
 
Yep, it hasn't derailed one bit...
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Roger Federer is the greatest tennis player of all time.

Roger Federer will go down as greater than Novak Djokovic when all is said and done.

Roger Federer is the Lord thy God of tennis. Thou shall not have false tennis gods before him.

Good enough for you? ......and isn't that really what these "MY favorite pro can beat up YOUR favorite pro" fanboys threads are all about?


5555 said:
I took thee for thy better.
Plagiarizing kitten - the little engine that couldn't....*swat*

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mike danny

Bionic Poster
:(:(:(:cry:

Roger Federer is the greatest tennis player of all time.

Roger Federer will go down as greater than Novak Djokovic when all is said and done.

Roger Federer is the Lord thy God of tennis. Thou shall not have false tennis gods before him.

Good enough for you? ......and isn't that really what these "MY favorite pro can beat up YOUR favorite pro" fanboys threads are all about?



Plagiarizing kitten - the little engine that couldn't....*swat*

bqgPcJO.gif
Tell that to 5555.
 

The Green Mile

Bionic Poster
:(:(:(:cry:

Roger Federer is the greatest tennis player of all time.

Roger Federer will go down as greater than Novak Djokovic when all is said and done.

Roger Federer is the Lord thy God of tennis. Thou shall not have false tennis gods before him.

Good enough for you? ......and isn't that really what these "MY favorite pro can beat up YOUR favorite pro" fanboys threads are all about?



Plagiarizing kitten - the little engine that couldn't....*swat*

bqgPcJO.gif
Take your bickering somewhere else. A rare match not available elsewhere on the net is what I uploaded. An interesting look at their first match. Couldn't care less about who's greater, etc.

Though the back and forth between some wasn't exactly a surprise, I had hoped it wouldn't have been this bad.
 

5555

Hall of Fame
I am hopeless while everyone gangs up on you.

You have committed a logical fallacy called argumentum ad populum. This fallacy occurs any time the sheer numbers of people who agree to something is used as a reason to get you to agree to it http://atheism.about.com/od/logicalfallacies/a/numbers.htm

You lost again. Another confirmation you are a loser.

Plagiarizing kitten - the little engine that couldn't....*swat*

bqgPcJO.gif

Wherein [art thou] good, but to taste sack and drink it? Wherein neat and cleanly, but to carve a capon and eat it? Wherein cunning, but in craft? Wherein crafty but in villainy? Wherein villainous, but in all things? Wherein worthy but in nothing?
 

Soul_Evisceration

Hall of Fame
You have committed a logical fallacy called argumentum ad populum. This fallacy occurs any time the sheer numbers of people who agree to something is used as a reason to get you to agree to it http://atheism.about.com/od/logicalfallacies/a/numbers.htm

You lost again. Another confirmation you are a loser.



Wherein [art thou] good, but to taste sack and drink it? Wherein neat and cleanly, but to carve a capon and eat it? Wherein cunning, but in craft? Wherein crafty but in villainy? Wherein villainous, but in all things? Wherein worthy but in nothing?

You are one strange weirdo.
 
Take your bickering somewhere else. A rare match not available elsewhere on the net is what I uploaded. An interesting look at their first match. Couldn't care less about who's greater, etc.

Though the back and forth between some wasn't exactly a surprise, I had hoped it wouldn't have been this bad.
Stick it. I was not 'bickering' (lol) about the match but instead was mocking the inevitable fanboy "who's better" hijacking that invariably ensues.​
 
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