Federer vs Djokovic . Who is greater?

Who is greater?

  • Federer

    Votes: 72 39.1%
  • Djokovic

    Votes: 97 52.7%
  • Even

    Votes: 15 8.2%

  • Total voters
    184

NAS

Hall of Fame
I am biased towards Novak so I will say Novak but they are nearly equal like my answer in Novak Rafa thread with close edge to Novak
 

Spencer Gore

Hall of Fame
Djokovic, obviously. By an increasing distance as he claims most of the major Open Era records (can't see him taking Connors' titles record).

But Federer was a great player in his day. His place in the All-Time Top Ten is assured for many years to come.
 

lucky13

Semi-Pro
fed vs nole

YE#1: 5 - 6 (2021? record)
ITF champ (no champ for 2020): 5 - 6 (2021? record)
weeks @1: 310 - 341+(record)
W%: 81,91% - 83,23 (record)
h2h: 23 - 27+WO
4 slams at the same time: 0 - 1
CGS: 1 -2 (record)
GM: no rome or MC - 2 (record)
best season: nole 2015 (best ATP seson)
best year: nole W15 - RG16
ATP points record: nole 16950
nole is greater on 2 out of 3 surfaces!

slams: 20 - 20

slam finals: 31 - 31
slam W%: 86,01% - 87,53%
slam h2h: 6 - 11

WTF: 6 - 5

masters: 28 - 36

big titles: 54 - 61


MM: 49 - 24
 
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Nole Slam

G.O.A.T.
Can't believe you are saying this. Djokovic is greater and by a undeniable margin. So many more Masters,NCYGS,weeks #1 and so on
I'm also saying that Djokovic is possibly only narrowly ahead of Federer atm. Actually, lately I wondered if he was ahead at all.
 

Halba

Hall of Fame
djokovic is ahead. same slam count yet look at the age gap all in djoko's favour. 5.7 year age difference ? only issue he has to play some great young players that are on fire from here onwards, will be very difficult to win grand slams going forward so the difference will be 1-2 slams only i believe. Djokovic and medvedev are dead heat basically for the aus open, djokovic loves the conditions in the aus open.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Federer.
#1 or #2 of open era at 3 of the 4 slams and the YEC.
clearly better prime to prime overall and in 3 of the 4 slams.
5 in a row at both Wimbledon and USO
23 slam semis in a row and 18 of 19 slam finals
record HC and grass streak

Edit:
Djokovic won "only" 8 slams before he turned 28. Him exploiting weakest period of open era (2015-current) the most to draw level on number of slams/weeks at #1 isn't going to make him greater.

For a comparision:

Fed had 16 slams before he turned 28.
Nadal had 13/14 slams (~RG 14)
Sampras had 12 slams before he turned 28
Borg of course had 11 slams and 2 YECs (4th most imp. event in the years he won those) before he turned 28

etc.etc.
 
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Sysyphus

Talk Tennis Guru
Federer.
#1 or #2 of open era at 3 of the 4 slams and the YEC.
clearly better prime to prime overall and in 3 of the 4 slams.
5 in a row at both Wimbledon and USO
23 slam semis in a row and 18 of 19 slam finals
record HC and grass streak
etc.etc.
You are really going out of character with this one, not the answer I would have expected whatsoever.
 

Sunny014

Legend
11 Reasons why Roger Federer is still greater....

01. Billionaire (Biggest brand ever and made his money from tennis due to his skills)
02. Greatest Peak (04-07 BOAT)
03. Slams leader for 13th year in running, this means Novak's 1st year and Rafa's 2nd year as slams leader has begun, Federer already has been at the top for 13 long years, so 12 more years to go for Novak.
04. Most records in Tennis as said by @TMF
05. Most tour final wins
06. Biggest Fanbase, if every fan considers their fav player as GOAT then Fed has most votes for GOAT, this matters.
07. Has at least 5 slams on 3 different slams out of 4, his performance is so balanced that even on HCs he has at least 3 slams on 3 different type of surface (Rebound, Plexi, Deco).
08. Had 237 weeks at 1, unparalleled dominance, had Mono not ruined his 2008 year then this streak would have extended till 300 weeks...
09. Still the GOAT on Grass and Co-GOAT on HCs.

10. Has a 70+ win% on Carpets as well, this guy is tried and tested for all eras
11. Tremendous streaks at Semi Finals, 5 straight slams won in 5 years at 2 slams at his peak, 5Ws and 5USOs

All this he did using an inferior racquet from the 1990s.
 
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Sunny014

Legend
Now I am not saying that Novak can never beat Fed, he probably will in coming years rise above, but today at the end of 2021 Federer still is ahead of anyone else.
 

Kralingen

Legend
In terms of career achievements and wins:

Djokovic

Contextually, including competition (the fact that Federer had Djoko/Nadal/Murray born 6 years later, while Djokovic’s best younger challengers are Thiem (born 6 years later) and had to wait for players born post-1996 to challenge him):

I currently believe Federer has been the slightly better tennis player across his career.

however with a slam or two more Djokovic will make the debate immaterial as I don’t think one can argue with his resume if he has something like 21/22 Slams and nearly 400 weeks at #1.
 

Djokodal Fan

Hall of Fame
Novak slightly ahead by stats, but not much. I cannot put Novak ahead of fed yet.

on the contrary fed is definitely not ahead of Novak at this point. That’s for sure
 

GabeT

G.O.A.T.
I think all Big 3 are close to each other but these two may be the closest of all. If had to choose would go with Novak by slim margins (more time at number 1, DCGS)
 

lucky13

Semi-Pro
Most Prestigious Award in Sports = Laureus Award

do not want to take anything away from fed or rafa but fed 2017 and rafa 2020 were not even the best tennis players for the respective years, not least the athlete! 2017 rafa was no1 and ITF champ. 2020 nole was no1 (rafa would be far from it if it were not for his covid protected points) and the ITF prize was not even nominated. however, this year nole has achieved more than both fed 2017 and rafa 2020 and more than the 2 in some other seasons when they won this award. and however the difference between 4 and 5 is not so big. on the other hand, nole has 6 ATP and ITF champ prices against feds 5 and nole can this year increase his balance with all the 3 mentioned prices.
 

Sunny014

Legend
do not want to take anything away from fed or rafa but fed 2017 and rafa 2020 were not even the best tennis players for the respective years, not least the athlete! 2017 rafa was no1 and ITF champ. 2020 nole was no1 (rafa would be far from it if it were not for his covid protected points) and the ITF prize was not even nominated. however, this year nole has achieved more than both fed 2017 and rafa 2020 and more than the 2 in some other seasons when they won this award. and however the difference between 4 and 5 is not so great. on the other hand, nole 6 has ATP and ITF champ prices against feds 5 and nole can this year increase his balance with all the 3 mentioned prices.
Ohh Is it ???

You now rememberd that Fed/Rafa were not good athletes in 2017-2021 and still won ?

Your hero Novak won 40% of his slams in this period, pots calling kettles black?
 

Sunny014

Legend
You are really on a roll here LOL
Tyson's opinion matters more than ours, he is one of greatest boxers ever, a tiger in the ring, a warrior like him knows who is what, he has the eye of the tiger.

If he says Fed is the best then Fed must be.
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
So, they are tied in majors count, also tied in amount of finals, but overall Djokovic has the better career now in numbers, no matter what we want to say. He also has more impressive achievements such as DCGS and Nole slam. Greatest #1 player aswell.

Djokovic is the greatest of this era, no two ways about it.

When it comes to the title of GOAT, I still question if there really can be a GOAT. But in pure numbers Djokovic has the most impressive resume out of any player that has touched a racket. The problem arrives when looking at players from past eras where things where different, pro tour, amateur tour, players not playing all the majors due to different reasons, no computer based rankings before 1973 etc. So in that sense it's hard to say for example Djokovic is greater than Laver.

But, what we indeed can compare is the big 3, they played under the same era. Everyone knew what was at stake, and they competed against eachother. And as of today, Djokovic has come out on top. He is the greatest of the three after being behind for so long, but now he has all the achievements on his side pluss he has bested them in h2h encounters.
 

NonP

Hall of Fame
I touched on this in another post but here are the correct GOATs by specific criteria.

If you want the best man to win the GS, you bet on Laver for his unrivaled versatility.

If you have no clue what surface the hypothetical match/series will be played on, you go with Borg.

If complete dominance vs. the whole field is your priority, ('84) Mac is your guy.

If you're backing one GOAT to beat other GOATs in Slam finals/that one match to save humanity, the correct pick is Pistol.

If you're looking for the guy to rack up the most Slams in 3-4 years, you settle on Fred.

If you can handpick one surface/venue, Bull wins almost by default.

If you want the fattest collection of biggies in the end, you pick Djoker.

And going a little further back....

If you must have the most extensive trophy haul, Rosewall is your best man.

If your guy is to secure the longest reign as the world's #1, you cast Gonzales.

If you're interested in the most clinical percentage tennis, Kramer can oblige.

If you wish to witness the most jaw-dropping all-court power tennis, you ask Vines to go up against Sampras.

If you seek the highest tennis IQ as well as the most extensive knowledge of the sport, you tip your hat to Tilden.

No disrespect to other GOATs/ATGs intended. But no, you can't "disagree" with any of these picks, because I'm right about everything.
 

ForehandRF

Hall of Fame
I touched on this in another post but here are the correct GOATs by specific criteria.

If you want the best man to win the GS, you bet on Laver for his unrivaled versatility.

If you have no clue what surface the hypothetical match/series will be played on, you go with Borg.

If complete dominance vs. the whole field is your priority, ('84) Mac is your guy.

If you're backing one GOAT to beat other GOATs in Slam finals/that one match to save humanity, the correct pick is Pistol.

If you're looking for the guy to rack up the most Slams in 3-4 years, you settle on Fred.

If you can handpick one surface/venue, Bull wins almost by default.

If you want the fattest collection of biggies in the end, you pick Djoker.

And going a little further back....

If you must have the most extensive trophy haul, Rosewall is your best man.

If your guy is to secure the longest reign as the world's #1, you cast Gonzales.

If you're interested in the most clinical percentage tennis, Kramer can oblige.

If you wish to witness the most jaw-dropping all-court power tennis, you ask Vines to go up against Sampras.

If you seek the highest tennis IQ as well as the most extensive knowledge of the sport, you tip your hat to Tilden.

No disrespect to other GOATs/ATGs intended. But no, you can't "disagree" with any of these picks, because I'm right about everything.
You are the man :D
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Novak has the best case out of all OE candidates (unless you include Rocket), but this really amounts to dick measuring between fanboy factions. Besides replace any of the Big 3 with any older GOAT and I guarantee you he'd be right in the mix.
Your first 2 statements are atleast somewhat contradictory.

Djokovic won "only" 8 slams before he turned 28. Him exploiting weakest period of open era (2015-current) the most to draw level on number of slams/weeks at #1 isn't going to make him greater.

For a comparision:

Fed had 16 slams before he turned 28.
Nadal had 13/14 slams (~RG 14)
Sampras had 12 slams before he turned 28
Borg of course had 11 slams and 2 YECs (4th most imp. event in the years he won those) before he turned 28

etc.etc.

Fed in 2015 was at a similar level to Djokovic in slams in 2021, maybe a little worse at best. But Fed ended up with 0 slams and Djokovic 3 slams. That's a staggering difference.


Edit: even if you include whole of 15 to make it a fair comparision with Fed/Nadal for 06/10, you have Djoko with 10 slams, the least of the 5.
 
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Sunny014

Legend
What you "nerds" need to understand is that having a better win% or better conversion ratio by being 6 years younger does not amount to being better.

After SNV era ended with revolution in racquet technology and homogenization of courts the win% and many such stats streamlined, those who made their debut later benefitted.

It is 2 people A and B walking in the dark.

Person A is the pioneer who held a lantern in the dark and walked 10 kms in 2 hours because he had to find his path
Person B is the guy who followed Person B closely behind him and had the benefit of following A's trail, so natural he covered 10 kms in 1.5 hours as he had it easier

Here person A is the guy who turned pro in the 90s and then adapted to slower courts, person B is the guy who in his teens played on slow courts, turned pro on it.

This is what you nerds need to first understand in Fed vs Novak comparison.
 
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