Federer vs Djokovic . Who is greater?

Who is greater?

  • Federer

    Votes: 72 39.1%
  • Djokovic

    Votes: 97 52.7%
  • Even

    Votes: 15 8.2%

  • Total voters
    184
Zverev didn't even make a Slam QF and ended the year #4. Dimitrov made one Slam SF and crashed out early in the other 3 Slams and did nothing in all other big tournaments except Cincy and WTF but ended the year #3. The USO was a wasteland where Nadal didn't play anyone in the top 25 but sure 2017 was stronger. Lol.
Don't forget fricking Krygios was playing in the final of a Masters event. Lol 8-B
 

NoleFam

Talk Tennis Guru
Some people say Djokovic served not so good and he played better in the SF vs Federer. What do you think on that?
Disagree except he did lose speed on his serve in the 4th after the MTO and shoulder issue. The rallies and shotmaking were insane though.
 
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abmk

Bionic Poster
Zverev didn't even make a Slam QF and ended the year #4. Dimitrov made one Slam SF and crashed out early in the other 3 Slams and did nothing in all other big tournaments except Cincy and WTF but ended the year #3. The USO was a wasteland where Nadal didn't play anyone in the top 25 but sure 2017 was stronger. Lol.
LOL, like I already said:

AO 2017 >> AO 2021
RG 2017 > RG 2021
Wim 2017 > Wim 2021
USO 17 < USO 21 (Nadal's draw was very weak, but there was delpo-thiem, fed delpo in the other quarter)

But ok, ignore the first 3 and only take the 4th, LOL.

you do realise a slam semi+WTF+a masters is more than 3200 points?
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Disagree except he did lose speed on his serve in the 4th after the MTO and shoulder issue. The rallies and shotmaking was insane though.
Djokovic was broken 6 times in the first 3 sets before the shoulder issue. Overall unret. % of 16 point something only.
 

NoleFam

Talk Tennis Guru
Djokovic broken 8 times in USO 11 final. Only 16.53% unret serves. He returned and played very well off the ground, but serving was way below par in the final
But ok, he beats a 07 USO fed (> 11 USO Fed) when he barely beat 11 USO fed in the semi, LOL.
Fed in USO 07 was broken a mere 2 times in comparision.
Mythical Federer barely beat 20 year old 2007 Djokovic with 0 experience and less skill in the 1st two sets, 2 sets he should have lost, but yea he's going to beat the 2011 beast who had wrecked the game for 9 months. Sounds legit.
 

RS

G.O.A.T.
Time travel matches part 3.

1. Federer RG 07 final vs Djokovic RG 13 SF
2. Coria Rome 2005 final vs Del Potro RG 09 SF
3. Agassi USO 04 QF vs Nadal USO 13 final
4. Sampras USO 02 final vs Djokovic USO 15 final
5. Roddick USO 03 final vs Federer USO 11 SF
6. Hewitt USO 01 final vs Roddick Wim 04 final (both on grass and the fast HC)
7. Soderling RG 10 QF vs Djokovic RG 16 final
8. Murray AO 10 QF vs Djokovic AO 12 SF
9. Roddick Wim 04 final vs Federer Wim 07 final
 
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abmk

Bionic Poster
Mythical Federer barely beat 20 year old 2007 Djokovic with 0 experience and less skill in the 1st two sets, 2 sets he should have lost, but yea he's going to beat the 2011 beast who had wrecked the game for 9 months. Sounds legit.
LOL, fed didn't lose a single set. he barely beat 07 USO Djokovic? LOLOLOLLLLL.
Even if Fed had lost set1, he'd have raised his level and probably taken it in 4 sets.
Djoko choked set1, but he needed fed UEs to get up in the 1st place.
Fed saved both SPs in set2.

2011 USO fed who was clearly worse than 2007 USO Fed was up 2 sets to love vs that 2011 beast and had 2 MPs.

But Djoko lala land logic:
1. SPs closer than MPs
2. not losing a single set is barely beating someone :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
 

InsideOut900

Hall of Fame
Time travel matches part 3.

1. Federer RG 07 final vs Djokovic RG 13 SF - 5
2. Coria Rome 2005 * final vs Del Potro RG 09 SF any
3. Agassi USO 04 QF vs Nadal USO 13 final - I guess?
4. Sampras USO 02 final vs Djokovic USO 15 final
5. Roddick USO 03 final vs Federer USO 11 SF - 5
6. Hewitt USO 01 final vs Roddick Wim 04 final (both on grass and the fast HC) - ???
7. Soderling RG 10 QF vs Djokovic RG 16 final - no clue, either could win, maybe Djoko in 5
8. Murray AO 10 QF vs Djokovic AO 12 SF - 5
9. Roddick Wim 04 final vs Federer Wim 07 final - 5 (probably the easiest guess)
 
Time travel matches part 3.

1. Federer RG 07 final vs Djokovic RG 13 SF
2. Coria Rome 2005 final vs Del Potro RG 09 SF
3. Agassi USO 04 QF vs Nadal USO 13 final
4. Sampras USO 02 final vs Djokovic USO 15 final
5. Roddick USO 03 final vs Federer USO 11 SF
6. Hewitt USO 01 final vs Roddick Wim 04 final (both on grass and the fast HC)
7. Soderling RG 10 QF vs Djokovic RG 16 final
8. Murray AO 10 QF vs Djokovic AO 12 SF
9. Roddick Wim 04 final vs Federer Wim 07 final
1.Djokovic
2. Coria
3. Nadal
4.Djokovic
5. Fed
6. Hewitt
7. Djokovic
8. Djokovic
9. Fed

What's up with you and the Roddick 04 WIM fixation? :oops:
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Good for him,too bad he cant match them in tennis ability and dominance...
This is not true.

Federer has more skills and more versatile than Novak. He excel on fast courts and play serve/volley and then adapt to a dominant baseliner and in a slow homogenized era. Djokovic is limited to a slow court environment so his ability as a tennis player is below Federer.


No player in the open era has ever dominated the sport during his peak/prime years like Roger Federer(2004-2009). You might want to compare Nole dominance to Borg's dominance in the late 70s because that's more debatable.
 

Start da Game

Hall of Fame
statistically,

djokovic > nadal > federer

not having multiple slams on clay is a huge minus on fed's resume in this homogenized era.......i do not see any solid argument for him from his fans either, he is trailing in slam h2h against both rafa and djoko........

logically,

nadal > federer = djokovic

i have hard time accepting otherwise, because nadal clearly leads slam battles despite colliding head on against peak djokovic and peak fed.......that is a major plus for rafa.......early prime djokovic showed some vulnerabilities against late prime fed, raising concerns about what his performance would have been against 2006 fed, while 2006 nadal had answers to fed even on hardcourts at least 40% times despite still being just a clay specialist back then.......

i hope i have made things clear to ttw now.......
 

Third Serve

G.O.A.T.
Don't want to go into it too much here but imo Djokovic has won proportionately more slams with subpar play than Federer - thanks to the weakness of the last couple of generations.

I feel like if you reversed their starting points Fed would end up significantly ahead.

Like I said it might just be my bias lol.
I think this is a category in which Nadal might actually be the best of the three.
 

ForehandRF

Hall of Fame
statistically,

djokovic > nadal > federer

not having multiple slams on clay is a huge minus on fed's resume in this homogenized era.......i do not see any solid argument for him from his fans either, he is trailing in slam h2h against both rafa and djoko........

logically,

nadal > federer = djokovic

i have hard time accepting otherwise, because nadal clearly leads slam battles despite colliding head on against peak djokovic and peak fed.......that is a major plus for rafa.......early prime djokovic showed some vulnerabilities against late prime fed, raising concerns about what his performance would have been against 2006 fed, while 2006 nadal had answers to fed even on hardcourts at least 40% times despite still being just a clay specialist back then.......

i hope i have made things clear to ttw now.......
Good job on blaming Federer for having only one RG, while Nadal has exactly just as many titles at the AO and just 2 Wimbledons.Logically you are biased; by no means Nadal is in front of Djkovic and Federer as we speak :D
 

RS

G.O.A.T.
Time travel matches part 4.

1. Djokovic Wim 11 final vs Federer Wim 15 final
2. Hewitt USO 04 final vs Med USO 21 final
3. Agassi AO 04 QF vs Djokovic AO 14 QF
4. Hewitt USO 01 final vs Cllic USO 14 final
5. Federer USO 15 final vs Nadal AO 17 final
6. Tsonga AO 08 final vs Murray AO 12 SF
7. Sampras RG 94 vs Murray RG 15
8. Sampras Wim 00 final vs Federer Wim 09 final
 

Strale

Semi-Pro
This is not true.

Federer has more skills and more versatile than Novak. He excel on fast courts and play serve/volley and then adapt to a dominant baseliner and in a slow homogenized era. Djokovic is limited to a slow court environment so his ability as a tennis player is below Federer.


No player in the open era has ever dominated the sport during his peak/prime years like Roger Federer(2004-2009). You might want to compare Nole dominance to Borg's dominance in the late 70s because that's more debatable.
That is why Federer has all the records...Oh wait....


Dominance? Against who? Both Rafa and Novak used to dominate him more often than not...

Borg? Like he even faced a fraction of competition that Novak faced or continues to face.

Djokovic 2011-2021 > Federer 2004-2009...

Entire decade with absolute dominance in everything...

Slams,weeks at number 1,masters 1000 h2h with main rivals etc...Period when Federer dominated is not even in the same league of competition when we compare it with Novak's...I am quite sure that you don't need me to tell you this.

Yes Djokovic has the superior ability...His baseline game is unparaleld in history together with his unstoppable return....

His baseline is so strong that Federer with his whole arsenal of moves was inferior and that should tell you something...
 

Poisoned Slice

Bionic Poster
Time travel matches part 3.

1. Federer RG 07 final vs Djokovic RG 13 SF
2. Coria Rome 2005 final vs Del Potro RG 09 SF
3. Agassi USO 04 QF vs Nadal USO 13 final
4. Sampras USO 02 final vs Djokovic USO 15 final
5. Roddick USO 03 final vs Federer USO 11 SF
6. Hewitt USO 01 final vs Roddick Wim 04 final (both on grass and the fast HC)
7. Soderling RG 10 QF vs Djokovic RG 16 final
8. Murray AO 10 QF vs Djokovic AO 12 SF
9. Roddick Wim 04 final vs Federer Wim 07 final
Roddick would have to travel to the year 3000 if he wants a successful time travel encounter against Federer.

 
No not how the public see it or most experts. If you remember before the Uso most if not all media articles said if Djokovic won he would surpass Federer and Nadal. That is the key point. To surpass Fedal and be on top he had to win Uso. He did not do it and it is noticeable that now most media articles are back to Fedal topics.
Personally i would have had Djokovic as top dog had he won either Tokyo or Ny. And ill have him top dog if he wins Australia. Its so close i think next year will decide the greatest this era.
I am pretty sure at the very least, almost nobody, especialy "experts", sees Nadal above Djokovic at this point. Federer atleast is more debateable.
 
If we are speaking prime period wise:

Djokovic has 11 slams (AO 11 to RG 16)
Federer has 15 slams (AO 04-AO 10)
Nadal has 12 slams (RG 07-RG 14) or 11 slams from RG 07-USO 13

If we look further:

Djokovic has 5 slams at post pre-primesh level (Wim 18-AO 19 was prime-ish level) with the cavaet of a well fought RG at that age
Federer has 3 such slams (USO 11-Cincy 12 was prime-ish level) with the caveat that Wim 17 level was high anyways and he faced a tough draw in AO 17
Nadal has 5 such slams (after RG 17) - with the cavaet that his RG 18-20 levels were pretty high anyways

Its clear that Djokovic has benefitted the most here ^^

2. Even if we take it post age 29,
Djokovic has 9 slams, 3 more than anyone else (nadal is next with 6). This with a clear slump in slams from Wim 16-RG 18. Which is absurd and significantly down to the weaker competition.
I guess that interesting thing about that mindset and way of analyzing it though, is it largely runs parallel to Serena on the womens side. I see that argument brought up against her a lot too, that she won so many slams in her 30s, and comparing what she won in her 20s compared to Navratilova, Graf, or Evert. Particularly when a lot of that time she was winning in her 30s was when the WTA seemed noticeably weak. Although in Serena's case (not so much Djokovic's) many would argue she faced a period the field was significantly stronger than for any of those others ever. I do think in both cases a lot of the perspective will come to whether players excelling into their 30s becomes a regular thing, or proves to just have been a short lived thing due to the weak fields and a couple weak generations on both the WTA and ATP coinciding perfectly for both Djokovic and Serena.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
That is why Federer has all the records...Oh wait....


Dominance? Against who? Both Rafa and Novak used to dominate him more often than not...

Borg? Like he even faced a fraction of competition that Novak faced or continues to face.

Djokovic 2011-2021 > Federer 2004-2009...

Entire decade with absolute dominance in everything...

Slams,weeks at number 1,masters 1000 h2h with main rivals etc...Period when Federer dominated is not even in the same league of competition when we compare it with Novak's...I am quite sure that you don't need me to tell you this.

Yes Djokovic has the superior ability...His baseline game is unparaleld in history together with his unstoppable return....

His baseline is so strong that Federer with his whole arsenal of moves was inferior and that should tell you something...
Like I said, Federer was way more dominant than Djokovic during their peak/prime years. The number speak volumes.

Djokovic had the worst competition ever so don't even go there by disparaging Borg's competition.

Djokovic is only good as a baseliner. Even his coach Becker said that Djokovic wouldn't survive in a serve and volley era. Unlike Federer who thrives on any environment and different playing style.

The most dominant tennis player in his respective era is Roger Federer.

From 2004 - 2009, prime/peak Federer amazes us by winning a staggering 14 out of 24 slams !

He made 20 slam final appearances:
reaches 10 consecutive finals​
reaches 4 finals in a season 3 times​
won 3 out of 4 slams in a season 3 times​
reaches 23 out of 24 slam semifinals​

50 single titles

He accumulated 240 weeks at the top of the ATP rankings including an astonishing 237 consecutive weeks.
5 out of 6 years he ended the YE #1.

Prime Federer's dominance and consistency is off the charts !

Nadal, Nole, Borg or Sampras are great in their respective era, but they are in a debate for a distant second.
A look at Djokovic 6 years in his peak/prime from 2011 - 2016. During his reigning champion in this era, he achieved:

Slam titles: 11
Slam finals: 19
won 3 out of 4 slams in a season 2 times
reaches 4 finals in 2015
48 single titles

He accumulated 223 weeks at the top of the ATP rankings including 122 consecutive weeks.
4 years he ended the YE #1.

Again, very impressive.
 

Strale

Semi-Pro
Like I said, Federer was way more dominant than Djokovic during their peak/prime years. The number speak volumes.

Djokovic had the worst competition ever so don't even go there by disparaging Borg's competition.
Worst competition ever? I guess you are right.In comparison to him Federer,Nadal,Murray,Wawrinka,Medvedev,Del Potro are average players....lol

Federer never dominated Novak and Nadal while both of them dominated him...

Djokovic dominated both players at the same time.... Literally not even a worthy challenge...

In a war with hyenas Federer was a male Lion but in a war of Lions Federer was the one submiting to other 2 dominant lions....Let that sink in
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
That match continues to get overrated :( 2010 Murray could definitely push 2012 Djokovic to five. There were enough dips in play from Djokovic to take advantage of.
Fair enough. I guess I was thinking too much on the difference in level between 2010dal and 2012ovic.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Mythical Federer barely beat 20 year old 2007 Djokovic with 0 experience and less skill in the 1st two sets, 2 sets he should have lost, but yea he's going to beat the 2011 beast who had wrecked the game for 9 months. Sounds legit.
I'd say Fed could win. Don't think 2011 Fed was better than 2007 Fed at the USO.
 

Third Serve

G.O.A.T.
You mean winning slams with subpar play? That's why he's last ;)
Well I know it's super easy to troll Nadal, but what Slams has he really won with "sub-par" play? I think only the 2017 and 2019 US Opens would qualify, right? Because even his 2017-2020 RG titles, while below his best (ok perhaps not 2017), would still be considered perfectly respectable wins in any era. I mean, while he faced uber-weak competition, he only really needed to dig somewhat deep against Schwartzman in 2018 so it's not like he was dropping pointless sets or going AWOL for whole stretches of matches like Djokovic has been doing (and largely getting away with) for the last three years. That just leaves Nadal's other Slams where he either cruised through the draw in stellar fashion or struggled against opponents he actually should struggle with like AO 2009 Verdasco.

I think he's either really close to Federer or just ahead of him in this regard (but Fred has better losing efforts, I don't think that's debatable). Both definitely above Djokovic I think
 
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beard

Legend
Well, if Novak leads the poll against Federer, on forum where Federer wins every single poll, what else can we add and say? :sneaky:

Novak is greater tennis player and everyone knows that... Question is only if Fed fans will acknowledge that fact publicly or they won't... Many are still in denial phase... :)
 

Lleytonstation

G.O.A.T.
statistically,

djokovic > nadal > federer

not having multiple slams on clay is a huge minus on fed's resume in this homogenized era.......i do not see any solid argument for him from his fans either, he is trailing in slam h2h against both rafa and djoko........

logically,

nadal > federer = djokovic

i have hard time accepting otherwise, because nadal clearly leads slam battles despite colliding head on against peak djokovic and peak fed.......that is a major plus for rafa.......early prime djokovic showed some vulnerabilities against late prime fed, raising concerns about what his performance would have been against 2006 fed, while 2006 nadal had answers to fed even on hardcourts at least 40% times despite still being just a clay specialist back then.......

i hope i have made things clear to ttw now.......
Okay, I have to stop you. I like Rafa, but in no way does he statistically have the advantage over Fed. Not even close actually.
 

Lleytonstation

G.O.A.T.
Well, if Novak leads the poll against Federer, on forum where Federer wins every single poll, what else can we add and say? :sneaky:

Novak is greater tennis player and everyone knows that... Question is only if Fed fans will acknowledge that fact publicly or they won't... Many are still in denial phase... :)
Make the poll public. I think most fans will agree Djoker is greater... But Fed is greaterer.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Time travel matches part 4.

1. Djokovic Wim 11 final vs Federer Wim 15 final - probably in 5 as he gained more grass experience by 2015
2. Hewitt USO 04 final vs Med USO 21 final - I guess? But it could go either way if Hewitt plays a better match than he did.
3. Agassi AO 04 QF vs Djokovic AO 14 QF
4. Hewitt USO 01 final vs Cllic USO 14 final - Hewitt in 5, IMO.
5. Federer USO 15 final vs Nadal AO 17 final - keep this to the same slams please. 2 different HC surfaces.
6. Tsonga AO 08 final vs Murray AO 12 SF
7. Sampras RG 94 vs Murray RG 15 - toss up
8. Sampras Wim 00 final vs Federer Wim 09 final
 
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Madinolf

Rookie
Djokovic of course.

You can't be GOAT with these h2h against your two main rivals:

4-10 in Slam finals
5-11 in Slam semifinals
1-2 in YEC finals
 

RS

G.O.A.T.
@mike danny

I don't think USO 15 and AO 17 were that different apart in terms of surfaces that you could not compare. Anyway you could put them on the USO court or the AO court.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Worst competition ever? I guess you are right.In comparison to him Federer,Nadal,Murray,Wawrinka,Medvedev,Del Potro are average players....lol

Federer never dominated Novak and Nadal while both of them dominated him...

Djokovic dominated both players at the same time.... Literally not even a worthy challenge...

In a war with hyenas Federer was a male Lion but in a war of Lions Federer was the one submiting to other 2 dominant lions....Let that sink in
10 consecutive grand slam finals
23 consecutive grand slam semifinals
18 out of 19 grand slam finals
237 consecutive weeks at #1
5 consecutive Wimbledon and USO
56 consecutive wins on hc, 65 on grass(much worth mentioning Nadal has 91 on clay)
The list goes on....

Let that sink in
 
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