Discussion in 'Pro Match Results and Discussion' started by tennis_pro, Jan 23, 2013.
Murray well rested and has looked great so far, murray in 4 max
Wow we've got a bunch of English professors in the house here.
Fed was making a lot more errors in the Olympics because Murray forced him to go for more.
Nadal wasn't at his best in 06 & 07 WIM. Nadal even mentioned in his book that his head cost him the match, he got caught up in the moment.
You've discredited every single player that has beat Fed in major finals because you can't handle the fact that the reason he isn't "at his best" in those matches is purely because his opponent doesn't allow it.
Fed could've played at his absolute peak limit and still would've lost to Rafa in 08 RG in straights.
Murray might destroy him he looking mega jacked. In good shape.
Yes, but it's not likely he will be in the same form every match. He could play as good as R3 and R4. Besides don't forget that he's 3:0 vs. Murray in Grand Slams, with Murray only winning 1 set.
Oh dear lord! Are we on this kick about "oh Federer looked like this in this round, he'll get beat the next"?
Djoker was nearly knocked out by Wawrinka, then summarily dismissed Berdych like he was bored.
It will be no different against Murray.
pretty sure federer was well into the + vs nadal in all their grass court encounters ....murray also forced him to go for a lot more in their wimby final .. he was well into the + in that match and yes, even before the roof ...
why are you going on about 2006 wimbledon ? I already said he wasn't at his best then ...
2007 Wimbledon , like I said the fail in the 2008 wimbledon final 4th set TB was far more, he recovered because federer was worse in the 2008 final ....
in any case, for both players, in both the finals, the mental factor was clearly more visible in the 2008 final - for federer, because of the beatdown @ RG ....
just because I didn't say federer played at his best, doesn't mean I'm discrediting his opponent ... still takes a lot to beat federer playing well at a slam - Wim 08, AO 2009, RG 2010, USO 2011 etc ....
eh, no, I think he'd have taken a set ...but then that wasn't
Federer will be looking to assert his dominance over Murray again. Fed in 5.
Doping Murray will beat Doping Fed in 4.
This, although Fed was sweating quite a bit against Tsonga, maybe he has cut back on the PEDs after the Lance Armstrong deal
But Murray was in "I'm not taking any crap" god mode in the Olympics final. Olympics means so much to Fed and to fail again in that fashion knowing it's probably his last chance at singles gold must've hurt him to the core.
Yeah, I'm sure Fed was thinking about the RG beatdown in that 5th set at WIM. Nadal knows better than you do what he was feeling. He said his head cost him which proves I was right because I was saying this before I read the book.
Fed played even better in WIM08 than 07 how many times does this FACT need to be stated to you? He didn't lose the first 2 sets because of RG, he lost them because Rafa was playing better than in 07.
Of course you do, I bet there's that part in you that thinks he might even take 2 sets. Now back to reality Rafa in straights.
again, yes, it hurt fed, but that's irrelevant to the discussion, fact is federer played cr*p tennis in the Olympics final ....
LOL, no ... federer played better leading up to the finals in 2008, but not in the finals ... yeah, rafa was so much better in the 2008 final that fed went up 4-1 in the 2nd set , only to blow it ...
nadal played better leading up to the 2011 finals than he did in 2007, but we all know he played quite a bit better in the 2007 finals than he did in the 2011 final ....it happens, you'd know if you could think a little and watch a little ...
only someone thick/blind enough not to see how many BPs federer blew by putting 2nd serves into the net can say federer played better in the 2008 final
I was talking about the first 2 sets at wimbledon when I talked about the effect of the RG final ...
umm, no ....
no, Murray made him look crap.
Yeah you're right I don't watch. I've never seen the 07 and 2011 WIM finals. Nadal played 2011 with a fractured foot, that is a FACT that cannot be disputed.
Fed played just as well in the 08 final as he did in 07, only Nadal played better which caused him to go for more on points and make errors. Nadal's second serve is very tricky, we've established that Fed was netting them because he knew Rafa was playing better and that put pressure on his returns.
Rafa had 24 UE in 07 and 27 UE in 08. Now considering 08 went longer than 07 match it's obvious Nadal played a lot cleaner game in 08 and gave Fed less free points.
You gotta remember Nadal also tweaked his knee at the end of the 4th set 6-2 romp against Federer at 2007 Wimby which ultimately cost him the match
Federer will win this no doubt about it , slams baby
Weren't you the one who was saying that Federer is doomed on this slow court against "pushers" like Djokovic and Murray?
At times he suffers from Amnesia and drops the I hate Federer veil. It's amusing when that fall
he will have a tough time for sure but i think he will pull it through, remember feds record in slams against murraa
No, other way around. It depends on what Federer shows up. If it is a very in form Federer, Federer wins, if it was the Federer who showed up to play Tsonga with a below par serve and tons of UE's, Murray wins.
I don't think so. I think Djokovic may be beatable and either Murray or Federer can possibly do it. Djokovic does not look invincible to me but he may step it up big time for the final.
If Federer does beat Murray and make it to the final to meet Djokovic (which may be a very difficult feat), I think Federer will just probably beat Djokovic.
You are right, if Federer serves the way he did against Tsonga vs Djokovic, Djokovic will kill him but if somehow Federer can bring out a very good serving performance, which he is obviously capable of against Djokovic, it will be trickier for Djokovic. The serve will be a key factor for Federer obviously in his match vs Murray and vs Djokovic if he can beat Murray.
Don't wish for a Federer loss too much, sometimes these things don't always work out. I personally think any of Murray, Djokovic or Federer can win this AO.
I mostly wish for Nole to make the final. The rest will sort itself out.
It may, but it may not. Federer did win the AO in 2010, it is not like he won it last in 1910 and he has won it 4 times in the past. Novak is better on the AO surface than Federer is NOW no doubt about it but you can never count out a 17 time winning grand slam champion completely EVER unless he is retired.
Personally, I hope Murray or Federer win the AO title over Novak this year. It is good to dream.
Sure but not against Djoko. The question is not whether Fed can win AO in general, it's whether he can win it vs that particular opponent at this particular time and how one evaluates his chances.
I think if he gets to the final he has a chance against Djokovic. I am not saying it is likely, but possible.
If Federer beats Murray in 4/5 sets, what chance would you give him against Djokovic? 10%? 20%? 5%? 0%?
The only chance I would give him is if Djoko is sick or injured. Vs Djoko playing his usual AO tennis: 0.
Seeing how Wawrinka beat Djokovic, you still give Federer 0% chance?
Well one thing is for sure, in order to have any chance to beat Djokovic (if Federer can beat Murray), Federer will have to play much better than he did against Tsonga. If he plays like he did against Tsonga vs Djokovic, Federer will be crushed.
To P of B: Ha ha yeah Fed could beat Djoko the way Wawa did it (aka: in your imagination).
Federer is no Wawrinka (a clown I mean.)
If Federer beats Djokovic the way Wawrinka did, he'll be the champion. It's not always that you lose and still go forward in a tounament.
Are you still on that tangent about Wawrinka winning? Give it up already. Wawrinka lost like he usually does.
Like he usually does? What matches have you won recently?
I am not a pro tennis player in the top twenty who constantly loses to the very top players like it is a bad habit. How many matches has Wawrinka won against Djokovic, Federer and Nadal? One or two out of how many?
I think the most probable outcome is Federer beating Murray and losing to Djokovic in the final. If he recovers in time, he's still the favorite against Murray in my eyes because:
-he's 3-0 against him in majors and lost only 1 set (all 3 matches after his peak)
-he's gone through a way tougher draw and probably is playing into form (the 5th set against Tsonga was pure masterclass)
-Murray wasn't pushed at all so I don't think he's ready for such a big match
-Murray has played in the heat 5 times, this is his first time in the night, see above
Hard to predict the Federer/Murray match, I really think it could go either way. Depends what Federer shows up.
Yes, that's right. He's among the 20 best at what he does.
Well he should act like it more often.
He does. He just made the round of 16 in a Grand Slam.
So the bookmakers and betting sites have Murray as huge favorite in more than 3 sets...
I'll bake him a cake if I see him. (even though I don't bake.)
Bad calls are part of the game, Novak won, period.
You cannot lose and go forward in a tournament, aside from WTF/YEC, tennis tourneys have a knockout system.
Lance would argue so is doping and ask for his titles back.
lol, that's thick considering how close wawrinka played him ...
get real, though nole straight-setted fed both times @ the AO , ALL of those sets were close .. if fed was a bit better, quite a few of them could've/would've gone his way ....
also Nole played considerably better in AO 2008/11 than he has in any other AO (including this AO till the QF ) ...
Very flawed analogy, bad calls are officially part of the game and have been so for the entire existence of the sport, line judges and the umpire are human and human error is always possible.
I could think doping is (very) widespread in tennis for example but I have no evidence, it's just an opinion while there being bad calls in tennis is a fact (****, now I sound like 5555).
Not flawed at all. Just because something is inevitable doesn't mean it's desirable and acceptable.
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