Federer Wants More 5 Set Matches On ATP Tour

[SLD76]

That is the biggest reason I support the 3 set format. Slower conditions. Pounding the body. longer time on court One 5 set marathon can possibly cause permanent damage. The A0 12 damaged Nadal and Djokovic. Little bit of light was burned out in them. Get the courts back to medium speed play and I would support 5 set finals in masters and WTF.

how does a 3 set format naturally depict slower conditions?

Mayhaps if court conditions would have been faster, the 2012 AO final would have had shorter points and hence, less damage for the players?

Like, do you think through what you say before you type?

 

[swordtennis]

What are you talking about. 3 set format is easier on the players and anything that will help players stay healthy and have longer careers I support.The slower conditions are promoting a more grinding style of play and it is harder on the body. Let the 5 set epics be in the majors.

 

[Ecoplex]

Fed haters

Fed haters once again proving that they love their hatred more than the game. I don't know how anyone who enjoys watching tennis could/would prefer finals that are over in little more than an hour.
Feigning concern for a group of millionaires doing what they love is just so much BS.
And please provide documentation that Federer created the best of three format.

 

[Netspirit]

Agree on the WTF. A 5-set classic could provide a very satisfactory finale to any season.

Masters should stay where they are. There are 9 of them.

Women should play 5 sets at Slam and WTF finals.

 

[Vcore89]

WTF should be a 5-setter and 5 of the 9 Masters 1000 should be a 5 setter.

 

[ricki]

Masters are worth enough points as it is. The best of 5 set finals didn't give you more points in the early 00's.

Winner of Master 1000 has good points, finalist also somewhat but look at points for making quarters, and lower ... its not worth any effort - points like for winning challenger and less (which takes less effort with easier opponents)

 

[Silverbullet96]

Only the Tour Finals Semis and Finals, if they can remove atleast ONE HC masters 1000. The game is already getting more and more physical year by year. Just take a look at the number of injuries and withdrawals at the beginning of 2014 season.

 

[octobrina10]

The truth about Rafa at the Australian Open

"I don't know why the people who decide to make the conditions that fast," he said last weekend, responding to a question about the courts at the Australian Open. "I am not sure for the show is the best thing. But they decide and I'm just a player to try to be competitive from the beginning."

 

[reversef]

I think that the WTF and the Olympics should be best of 5, and not only the finals and semi-finals. The Masters 1000 have to stay best of 3. There are 9 M1000 in a season, it would be too tough and we would see even more injuries.
But Federer is right when he says that the best of 5 are more special and tend to provide more memorable matches.

 

[Boozyuzi]

Indian Wells & Miami should be best of 5 finals as they have a have a week break in between. I doubt they can do it with Canada/Cinci or Madrid/Rome being back to back weeks.

Would American TV have time for a 4 or 5 hour final on a Sunday ?

 

[SLD76]

What are you talking about. 3 set format is easier on the players and anything that will help players stay healthy and have longer careers I support.The slower conditions are promoting a more grinding style of play and it is harder on the body. Let the 5 set epics be in the majors.

Again you are the one who said 3 set matches equal slower conditions. Which is silly. If that's not what you meant learn to express yourself more accurately.

and I agree that slower conditions are harder on the body but that has nothing to do with 3 vs 5 set format. That is about court speed. Hence make courts faster but not necessarily lightening fast for quicker points.

 

[octobrina10]

Do you know the difference between direct observation and whining?

Ill give you a clue.

Federer: "the courts have been slowed down," which is a verifiable fact.

Nadal: I wont play Madrid again unless conditions are different( after Madrid 2012).
...

Federer: "Everything is already slowing down. Everybody's already complaining." - That's whining.

Rafa. According to the ATP rules, Rafa didn't have to play all the Masters 1000 tournaments in 2013, he had the right to skip one tourney.

 

[chrischris]

I agree with the Fed.
for once, again

 

[SLD76]

Federer: "Everything is already slowing down. Everybody's already complaining." - That's whining.

Rafa. According to the ATP rules, Rafa didn't have to play all the Masters 1000 tournaments in 2013, he has the right to skip one tourney.

Nice non sequiter. Tell me though how did Nadal feel about 2012 Madrid again . How is fed making 2 direct observations 1) courts are slowing 2) players are complaining whining but Nadal threatening to never play a tournament again isn't ?

LMAO.

 

[Chanwan]

Nice non sequiter. Tell me though how did Nadal feel about 2012 Madrid again . How is fed making 2 direct observations 1) courts are slowing 2) players are complaining whining but Nadal threatening to never play a tournament again isn't ?

LMAO.

Don't you know? Sweetie Pie can't see nothing wrong in whatever Nadal does ('the OMG, he's so casually gorgeous'-type of fan).
And keep reposting the same stuff over and over and over again. And she hates Fed with a vengeance.
Like this one:

I keep wondering what has made it possible that the person who has had a long-standing back problem (at least since 2003 when he was deemed unfit to fulfill the military service obligations), has won 17 GS titles!
---------
"Armstrong paid Swiss firm for doping services, report charges"
¤¤ The explosive report by the US Anti-Doping Agency, released this week, outlines documented hefty payments made by the seven-time Tour de France winner to Dr. Michele Ferrari over a 10-year period from 1996 to 2006. Ferrari provided advice on how to evade detection by anti-doping testers.¤¤
http://malcolm-curtis.com/2012/10/12/armstrong-paid-swiss-firm-for-doping-services-report-charges/
There have been efficient services available there!

She's peRFect for this forum

 

[octobrina10]

Chanwan is a true Fed fan! He is not unsatisfied that Fed fans keep reposting the same hateful stuff about Rafa over and over and over again.

 

[SLD76]

Chanwan is a true Fed fan! He is not unsatisfied that Fed fans keep reposting the same hateful stuff about Rafa over and over and over again.

please...get a hobby. your obsession cant be healthy.

 

[Omega_7000]

Fed has whined and cried everywhere for years that courts have been slowed down everywhere. He is the GOAT-Whiner.

The National, August 31, 2011 ¤¤ Federer not happy with US Open courts.
The third-seeded Swiss showed he was still eager for more challenges, complaining that organisers, the United States Tennis Association, had made the courts too slow and too similar to those of the Australian Open.
"Did they make a mistake? Maybe they did paint the court a bit too rough. It's just unfortunate that maybe all the slams are too equal," the 16-time major champion said. "They should feel very different to the Australian Open, and now I don't feel it really does."
"The night session just feels like you can take huge cuts at the ball, you can run everything down. It's great for tennis, but I'm not sure if it's really what the game needs. ¤¤
http://www.thenational.ae/sport/tennis/winning-federer-not-happy-with-us-open-courts#ixzz2qOaViVv0

Federer has said he wants BOTH fast and slow courts and not ONLY slow courts on tour...which is how the tour is right now.



"It's an easy fix. Just make quicker courts, then it's hard to defend," Federer said. "Attacking style is more important. It's only on this type of slow courts that you can defend the way we are all doing right now."

"What you don't want is that you hit 15 great shots and at the end, it ends up in an error," he said. "So I think sometimes quicker courts do help the cause. I think it would help from time to time to move to something a bit faster. That would help to learn, as well, for many different players, different playing styles, to realize that coming to the net is a good thing, it's not a bad thing."

"I think some variety would be nice, some really slow stuff and then some really fast stuff, instead of trying to make everything sort of the same," he said. "You sort of protect the top guys really by doing that because you have the best possible chance to have them in the semis at this point, I think. But should that be the goal? I'm not sure."

http://espn.go.com/tennis/story/_/id/8625576/roger-federer-wants-faster-courts-encourage-attack

 

[Omega_7000]

He is the GOAT-Whiner.

Speaking of GOAT-Whiner ;-)

The Fatal Flaw of Nadal’s Two-Year Ranking System

Presumably, Nadal’s method would count the last 104 weeks (two years) of results instead of the last 52, as is currently the case.The most obvious casualties of such a system are young players (or any players, really) on the way up.
The clear beneficiaries, of course, are the opposite type of competitor: established players who are declining or injured. If a player is consistently good, it really doesn’t matter how the ranking system is calculated–just about any way you slice it, Djokovic, Nadal, Federer, and Murray would be the top four.

http://heavytopspin.com/2012/03/29/the-fatal-flaw-of-nadals-two-year-ranking-system/

Rafael Nadal calls French Open scheduling ‘a joke’

http://tennis.si.com/2013/05/31/rafael-nadal-french-open-scheduling/

Nadal Renews Criticism of Hardcourt Schedule

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/14/sports/tennis/nadal-renews-criticism-of-hardcourt-schedule.html

Nadal wants different surfaces for ATP finale

“The third thing is because I feel like I am unlucky,” Nadal said of the surface of choice. “During these nine years the Masters Cup was on indoor, a surface that was not the best for me. So probably for me I was a little bit unlucky in this because in the past we had the Masters Cup on other surfaces. I understand, but I think this is unfair.”

http://tennis.si.com/2013/11/04/rafael-nadal-novak-djokovic-atp-world-tour-finals/

"If he's complaining that I never say 'hi' to him, what can I do?" he said. "He must have been in his complaining mood today., Soderling on Nadal.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2007/jul/04/tennis.wimbledon12

Nadal Loses on Madrid’s Blue Clay After Complaining About It
If the organizers of the Madrid Open did not go back to a normal clay surface next year, “it will be one less tournament in my calendar,” he said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/11/s...ids-blue-clay-after-complaining-about-it.html

Nadal is upset by faster courts in Melbourne
“Completely different conditions than what I remember of this tournament. Faster conditions than I ever played here in Australia.
"I really don't understand very well why they change because the last couple of years, Australian Open had amazing matching, long ones, good ones for the crowd. I don't know why the people who decide to make the conditions that fast.”
"I am not sure for the show is the best thing. But they decide and I'm just a player to try to be competitive from the beginning."

http://news.tennistonic.com/tennis-news?nid=3460
http://www1.skysports.com/tennis/au...s-are-faster-than-ever-at-the-australian-open

Rafael Nadal has started to make too many complaints

After this episode, tennis fans have realized that Nadal has started to complain too much. Nadal’s critics often say that the Spaniard whines all the time. The 26-year-old has problem with too many hard court tournaments, he has issues with the ranking system, he has concerns about too long season. He was by far the biggest criticizer of the blue clay courts at Madrid last year, even threatening to boycott the event in future.

http://www.**************.org/Rafae...o-make-too-many-complaints-articolo10310.html

 

[octobrina10]

...#119...

I believe that Chanwan is not unsatisfied that you posted the same staff again.

 

[octobrina10]

#118...
...he [Federer] said. "You sort of protect the top guys really by doing that because you have the best possible chance to have them in the semis at this point, I think. But should that be the goal? I'm not sure."...

Yeah, Fed wants to reach the final without having to play against players in the top. He hopes that 'somebody' will clean him the road by knocking top-players out in earlier rounds. He assumes that it's much more probable on fast courts.
What an ugly strategy!

 

[Bdarb]

Yeah, Fed wants to reach the final without having to play against players in the top. He hopes that 'somebody' will clean him the road by knocking top-players out in earlier rounds. He assumes that it's much more probable on fast courts.
What an ugly strategy!

I disagree with your assessment of the 'strategy'.

 

[swordtennis]

Again you are the one who said 3 set matches equal slower conditions. Which is silly. If that's not what you meant learn to express yourself more accurately.

and I agree that slower conditions are harder on the body but that has nothing to do with 3 vs 5 set format. That is about court speed. Hence make courts faster but not necessarily lightening fast for quicker points.

Ah I see miscommunication. I agree I sometimes have a little hard time communicating things. My brain gets way to many thoughts at one time and then I can not get out the expression clearly. Which sometimes annoys me and is lame.
No I was not correlating 3 sets with conditions at all. I was just trying to say that because of the general slower conditions that tends towards longer grinding matches I am a supporter of the 3 set format. If the powers that be implemented a change in court composition where conditions were sped up across the board then I would support 5 set finals in the Masters and WTF. And it does not need to be a drastic change in the speed of the courts. Just something moderate where games, sets, points and matches are shortened just a little bit. 5 set matches used to hardly ever go over 4 hours. Now 3 set matches are going in the 4 hour realm.
Ok cool I think we squared this up. You are a solid TTW board member and do not want to get on your bad side.

 

[swordtennis]

I disagree with your assessment of the 'strategy'.

I do not agree with this strategy either. Well Maybe as Federer gets older his body takes longer to loosen up and maybe 5 set finals are better for him at this stage of his career. I would like to see 5 set finals. Just make the conditions a little quicker. Then the possibility of wrecking themselves in non majors is decreased. Can you imagine a brutal 6 hour 5 set final in Indian wells then right on to Miami. Those two finalists would most likely be shot going into Miami and likely the next few tournaments.

 

[Chanwan]

I believe that Chanwan is not unsatisfied that you posted the same staff again.

First off Sweetie Pie, I actually don't like any posts being repeated forever and ever and ever. But I've seen you do it more often than anyone else, so I called you out on it. Plus - like more or less everyone else here, I too have my favorite player and I care more about crap being posted about him than the other way round.
Secondly, there are some that are more relevant than others and a select few that deserves repeated posting (not necessarily saying the Omega-post above is one of them, but the argument in and off itself still has way more credibility than most of yours. Rafa has been called out on his many complaints by a variety of well-established tennis commentators - hence there's probably something to it. Fed has not. Hence, there's probably less or nothing to it.)

Thirdly, some of your repeated posts are - as far as I've seen - devoid of even the most basic logic. Take this one for example

I keep wondering what has made it possible that the person who has had a long-standing back problem (at least since 2003 when he was deemed unfit to fulfill the military service obligations), has won 17 GS titles!
---------
"Armstrong paid Swiss firm for doping services, report charges"
¤¤ The explosive report by the US Anti-Doping Agency, released this week, outlines documented hefty payments made by the seven-time Tour de France winner to Dr. Michele Ferrari over a 10-year period from 1996 to 2006. Ferrari provided advice on how to evade detection by anti-doping testers.¤¤
http://malcolm-curtis.com/2012/10/12/armstrong-paid-swiss-firm-for-doping-services-report-charges/

There have been efficient services available there!

You post this whenever doping is mentioned. This is the so called guilt by association fallacy and a very poor one at that. So because a Swiss firm has been involved in doping to an American athlete it means that..........???????..... Every Swiss athlete is doping? Of course not. It's one of the weakest guilt by association arguments, I've ever seen. And I've seen a few.

As for the army-thing, did it ever occur to you that being a world class athlete may help you with stuff like that? Federer is worth a million times more to Switzerland by virtue of his tennis skills than by virtue of his (presumably) lack of skills as a soldier.

Now - if past history is any guide, you'll handpick one sentence from the above and completely twist it and not answer to the post as such. I hope I'm mistaken.

 

[octobrina10]

I do not agree with this strategy either. Well Maybe as Federer gets older his body takes longer to loosen up and maybe 5 set finals are better for him at this stage of his career...

The 'strategy' you don't agree with has nothing to do with the number of sets. See post #121.

 

[TMF]

Speaking of GOAT-Whiner ;-)

The Fatal Flaw of Nadal’s Two-Year Ranking System

Presumably, Nadal’s method would count the last 104 weeks (two years) of results instead of the last 52, as is currently the case.The most obvious casualties of such a system are young players (or any players, really) on the way up.
The clear beneficiaries, of course, are the opposite type of competitor: established players who are declining or injured. If a player is consistently good, it really doesn’t matter how the ranking system is calculated–just about any way you slice it, Djokovic, Nadal, Federer, and Murray would be the top four.

http://heavytopspin.com/2012/03/29/the-fatal-flaw-of-nadals-two-year-ranking-system/

Rafael Nadal calls French Open scheduling ‘a joke’

http://tennis.si.com/2013/05/31/rafael-nadal-french-open-scheduling/

Nadal Renews Criticism of Hardcourt Schedule

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/14/sports/tennis/nadal-renews-criticism-of-hardcourt-schedule.html

Nadal wants different surfaces for ATP finale

“The third thing is because I feel like I am unlucky,” Nadal said of the surface of choice. “During these nine years the Masters Cup was on indoor, a surface that was not the best for me. So probably for me I was a little bit unlucky in this because in the past we had the Masters Cup on other surfaces. I understand, but I think this is unfair.”

http://tennis.si.com/2013/11/04/rafael-nadal-novak-djokovic-atp-world-tour-finals/

"If he's complaining that I never say 'hi' to him, what can I do?" he said. "He must have been in his complaining mood today., Soderling on Nadal.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2007/jul/04/tennis.wimbledon12

Nadal Loses on Madrid’s Blue Clay After Complaining About It
If the organizers of the Madrid Open did not go back to a normal clay surface next year, “it will be one less tournament in my calendar,” he said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/11/s...ids-blue-clay-after-complaining-about-it.html

Nadal is upset by faster courts in Melbourne
“Completely different conditions than what I remember of this tournament. Faster conditions than I ever played here in Australia.
"I really don't understand very well why they change because the last couple of years, Australian Open had amazing matching, long ones, good ones for the crowd. I don't know why the people who decide to make the conditions that fast.”
"I am not sure for the show is the best thing. But they decide and I'm just a player to try to be competitive from the beginning."

http://news.tennistonic.com/tennis-news?nid=3460
http://www1.skysports.com/tennis/au...s-are-faster-than-ever-at-the-australian-open

Rafael Nadal has started to make too many complaints

After this episode, tennis fans have realized that Nadal has started to complain too much. Nadal’s critics often say that the Spaniard whines all the time. The 26-year-old has problem with too many hard court tournaments, he has issues with the ranking system, he has concerns about too long season. He was by far the biggest criticizer of the blue clay courts at Madrid last year, even threatening to boycott the event in future.

http://www.**************.org/Rafae...o-make-too-many-complaints-articolo10310.html

Nadal whines a lot, that's a fact. This time he can thanks Federer who wants 5 set matches which benefits Nadal. Uncle Toni can thank him too.

 

[Bdarb]

I do not agree with this strategy either. Well Maybe as Federer gets older his body takes longer to loosen up and maybe 5 set finals are better for him at this stage of his career. I would like to see 5 set finals. Just make the conditions a little quicker. Then the possibility of wrecking themselves in non majors is decreased. Can you imagine a brutal 6 hour 5 set final in Indian wells then right on to Miami. Those two finalists would most likely be shot going into Miami and likely the next few tournaments.

might not be the worst thing. It would make being healthy and having a winning season that much more remarkable. I've said it before but for some reason of late, we seem to think players are entitled to win every slam or tournament. Just look how Rafa has already passed Fed in the GS title :roll: I don't think a players ability to recuperate for the following tournament should be a mitigating factor in how it's structured. People who don't go super far in the tourney will be fresh for the next one, spectacular tennis will still be played. Just the top guy may not win every single thing. Not the worst thing imo. You may even finally see a variation in strategy from aggressive baseliner..

 

[octobrina10]

Nadal whines a lot, that's a fact..

As for an example of Fed whining, he whined a lot, but he couldn't stop using Hawk-Eye.

Yahoo, Jul 8, 2007. ¤¤ Federer Whines and Wins at Wimbledon Despite Hawk-Eye.
A poll was taken before the U.S. Open began using the system and Federer made it clear he felt Hawk-Eye was unnecessary. In the fifth set today his dislike of the system became evident to everyone watching the match on TV.

Federer had a disgusted look whenever Nadal made a challenge. He also made the same face when he, himself made a challenge. At least he was consistent in his dislike of Hawk-Eye.¤¤
http://voices.yahoo.com/federer-whines-wins-wimbledon-despite-hawk-436867.html

 

[LazyNinja19]

Why Fed didn't want any changes when he was ruling the courts? :roll:

NOW he wants changes. hmm...

At least Nadal has been constant with his whining. Federer on the other hand, started whining after he could no longer dominate the game. :lol:

#Interesting #No?

 

[swordtennis]

might not be the worst thing. It would make being healthy and having a winning season that much more remarkable. I've said it before but for some reason of late, we seem to think players are entitled to win every slam or tournament. Just look how Rafa has already passed Fed in the GS title :roll: I don't think a players ability to recuperate for the following tournament should be a mitigating factor in how it's structured. People who don't go super far in the tourney will be fresh for the next one, spectacular tennis will still be played. Just the top guy may not win every single thing. Not the worst thing imo. You may even finally see a variation in strategy from aggressive baseliner..

I am very open to this. And I for sure do not want just one person to win every single important title. That is not good tennis IMO. I very much like story lines.

 

[Djokovic2011]

Why Fed didn't want any changes when he was ruling the courts? :roll:

NOW he wants changes. hmm...

At least Nadal has been constant with his whining. Federer on the other hand, started whining after he could no longer dominate the game. :lol:

#Interesting #No?

I think you meant to say "consistent with his whining" but "constant" sounds pretty close to the mark also.

 

[octobrina10]

Why Fed didn't want any changes when he was ruling the courts? :roll:

NOW he wants changes. hmm...

At least Nadal has been constant with his whining. Federer on the other hand, started whining after he could no longer dominate the game. :lol:

#Interesting #No?

Fed started whining after Rafa started dominating him.

 

[90's Clay]

With the way these pushers play today? 90 percent of the tour will be in the hospital by season end