D
Deleted member 763691
Guest
Tennis is a lot more interesting when Federer isn't in the top 4, especially Wimbledon 
Djokovic yes, Nadal heck no. He was strong at AO 2017.Well, in 2017 AO, both Djokovic and Nadal were weak.
Novak was injured and ousted by Chung.
Nadal was still struggling at the ranking of 9.
And new generations not quite strong as now.
But it's Wimbledon. It's very hard to get experience on grass these days.
Federer has edge on Wimbledon experiences but I'm not sure.
Djokovic yes, Nadal heck no. He was strong at AO 2017.
Djokovic yes, Nadal heck no. He was strong at AO 2017.
Well, in 2017 AO, both Djokovic and Nadal were weak.
Novak was injured and ousted by Chung.
Nadal was still struggling at the ranking of 9.
And new generations not quite strong as now.
But it's Wimbledon. It's very hard to get experience on grass these days.
Federer has edge on Wimbledon experiences but I'm not sure.
It's Federer we're talking about here, and there's zero competition on grass other than Djokovic and perhaps Nadal, so unless someone plays above their usual level or Federer does not recover in time to shake off the rust, I think he'll make the QFs just fine.
That's a lot of "unless", hmm ?
Oh really?He won't be ranked 5. Wimbledon seedings are largely based on performances on grass. Given that he won Halle last year and reached Wimbledon final and will probably win halle again this year, I would imagine he would certainly be in the top 4 seeds for Wimbledon.
Even assuming Federer wins Halle 2020, he will be seeded #5 at Wimbledon 2020. It will mean Federer will likely face either Nadal or Djokovic in the QF, depending on which side of the draw he falls.
The implications are clear. Djokovic could lose 1640 ATP points if he loses to Federer in the QF of Wimbledon and Nadal could lose 360 points if he loses to Federer in the QF.
Long and boring explanation (unnecessary to read this part):
Federer won last year 500 points in Dubai, 600 in Indian Wells, 1000 in Miami, 180 in Madrid, 90 in Rome and 720 at Roland-Garros for a total of 3090 points.
Federer will lose 3090 points in the ATP ranking before the 2020 grass season. Right now he has 7130. 7130-3090 = 4040 ATP points. It will mean Federer will be at best #6 in the world before Wimbledon, because Tsitsipas has now 4745 ATP points and is #6. Federer can even be #7 at Wimbledon 2020, if Zverev who is not defending much, improves. Zverev has 3885 ATP points and is #7 in the world.
Wimbledon has an special seeding formula: ATP Entry System Position points + 100% points earned for all grass court tournaments in the past 12 months + 75% points earned for the best grass court tournament in the 12 months before that.
If Federer wins Halle 2020, he will have 4040 ATP points. 4040 + 1200 + 500 + 270 = 6010 points. Federer owuld have 6010 points considering Wimbledon seeding formula. BUT Medveved is #4 in the ranking and has 5890 points in the ATP ranking. If we apply the Wimbledon's seeding formula to Medvedev he would have 6227 ATP points. 5890 + 90 + 180 + 67 = 6227. In other words, Medvedev will be seeded #4 at Wimbledon 2020.
Federer was in a much worse state...His ranking was #9.
He was slam-less since 2014 FO.
As usual, he recovered his top form from the clay season of 2017.
During his slam-less period 2014 FO - 2017 FO, a lot of players could beat Rafa.
And others in top 5 were injured and 2017 was very weak year, putting Dmitrov at #4(or 5).
Federer was in a much worse state...
A lot of players could beat Rafa and yet only Federer defeated him in the big events in early 2017.
Something tells me that Federer will be in a quarter void of either Djokovic or Nadal...
I am talking about Nadal's form. That's it.So you are claiming 2017 - 1st half of 2018 was not a weak era ?![]()
So you are claiming 2017 - 1st half of 2018 was not a weak era ?![]()
Even assuming Federer wins Halle 2020, he will be seeded #5 at Wimbledon 2020. It will mean Federer will likely face either Nadal or Djokovic in the QF, depending on which side of the draw he falls.
The implications are clear. Djokovic could lose 1640 ATP points if he loses to Federer in the QF of Wimbledon and Nadal could lose 360 points if he loses to Federer in the QF.
Long and boring explanation (unnecessary to read this part):
Federer won last year 500 points in Dubai, 600 in Indian Wells, 1000 in Miami, 180 in Madrid, 90 in Rome and 720 at Roland-Garros for a total of 3090 points.
Federer will lose 3090 points in the ATP ranking before the 2020 grass season. Right now he has 7130. 7130-3090 = 4040 ATP points. It will mean Federer will be at best #6 in the world before Wimbledon, because Tsitsipas has now 4745 ATP points and is #6. Federer can even be #7 at Wimbledon 2020, if Zverev who is not defending much, improves. Zverev has 3885 ATP points and is #7 in the world.
Wimbledon has an special seeding formula: ATP Entry System Position points + 100% points earned for all grass court tournaments in the past 12 months + 75% points earned for the best grass court tournament in the 12 months before that.
If Federer wins Halle 2020, he will have 4040 ATP points. 4040 + 1200 + 500 + 270 = 6010 points. Federer owuld have 6010 points considering Wimbledon seeding formula. BUT Medveved is #4 in the ranking and has 5890 points in the ATP ranking. If we apply the Wimbledon's seeding formula to Medvedev he would have 6227 ATP points. 5890 + 90 + 180 + 67 = 6227. In other words, Medvedev will be seeded #4 at Wimbledon 2020.
Nadal hasn't beaten Federer off the dirt since 2014. I think Roger would love an easy QF against Rafa TBH.