Federer will BEAT Nadal in the Semi Final of Wimbledon 2019

#51
He is the moral heavyweight champion for probably being the big resistance to the heavyweight champion's quest to defend the honor of Wimbledon by winning it for a fifth time.
If we're entering the moral realm, we all know who the unquestioned winner is. Bull tied up the moral title long ago. Think about all the ways in which he's already been cheated:

- seeded #3 unfairly.
- given thoughest draw of all time unfairly.
- made to play on lightning quick courts.
- subject to near criminal conspiracy to pretend that the courts are slow.
- may have to play under the roof.
- scheduled on court 1 twice, including in very tricky match against big serving Querrey, which should clearly have been at least on Center, if not on Chatrier.
- old, rusty, injured Bull who plays tennis. If Federer can't beat 33-year-old Bull in conditions that massively favor Federer, there really is no hope for him.
 
#54
Nadal is the favourite. When Nadal is 38 I'm not even sure he will be favourite for RG anymore and he wont have a 33 year old 18 slam champ to deal with. That's what Fed has to deal with and he'll need AO 2017 levels to win this one
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
#55
If we're entering the moral realm, we all know who the unquestioned winner is. Bull tied up the moral title long ago. Think about all the ways in which he's already been cheated:

- seeded #3 unfairly.
- given thoughest draw of all time unfairly.
- made to play on lightning quick courts.
- subject to near criminal conspiracy to pretend that the courts are slow.
- may have to play under the roof.
- scheduled on court 1 twice, including in very tricky match against big serving Querrey, which should clearly have been at least on Center, if not on Chatrier.
- old, rusty, injured Bull who plays tennis. If Federer can't beat 33-year-old Bull in conditions that massively favor Federer, there really is no hope for him.
LOL :-D
 
#56
If we're entering the moral realm, we all know who the unquestioned winner is. Bull tied up the moral title long ago. Think about all the ways in which he's already been cheated:

- seeded #3 unfairly.
- given thoughest draw of all time unfairly.
- made to play on lightning quick courts.
- subject to near criminal conspiracy to pretend that the courts are slow.
- may have to play under the roof.
- scheduled on court 1 twice, including in very tricky match against big serving Querrey, which should clearly have been at least on Center, if not on Chatrier.
- old, rusty, injured Bull who plays tennis. If Federer can't beat 33-year-old Bull in conditions that massively favor Federer, there really is no hope for him.
 
#58
Wrong. :D Fooled ya. It's situations like this when you will see where Hitman's true allegiance lies. ;)
No fooling here, I already know where his heart is .. :)

It just seemed a bit awkward to not have a favorite between Fed and Nadal, when he clearly likes Fed more. Especially that his true allegiance won't get hurt or anything since Fed actually stands a smaller chance of beating Novak at this stage than Nadal does, that's all.
 
#59
No fooling here, I already know where his heart is .. :)

It just seemed a bit awkward to not have a favorite between Fed and Nadal, when he clearly likes Fed more. Especially that his true allegiance won't get hurt or anything since Fed actually stands a smaller chance of beating Novak at this stage than Nadal does, that's all.
I understand. I just want Novak to win but taking it one point at time. It's still any man's game until then. I think he wants a Novak victory like me so he is thinking of the best scenario for his warrior.
 
#61
I understand. I just want Novak to win but taking it one point at time. It's still any man's game until then. I think he wants a Novak victory like me so he is thinking of the best scenario for his warrior.
Oh you can rest assured about that. No one stands a chance against Novak at this point. He's clearly the favorite no matter what the outcome of the other semi is.
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
#64
I'm actually leaning towards Federer in this one but it's a close call. I'm going 52/48 Federer. I just think grass is his turf, he's in the SF now so his game has been grooved, and he has more tools in his toolbox here. Nadal can definitely win it as well and I think it will be pretty close.
Problem is, it's not really his "grass". This is probably the only time I've ever heard Fed complain about grass conditions at Wimbledon. Don't think it's just old age and him being grumpy.

Not sure what would give him the edge here.
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
#69
No fooling here, I already know where his heart is .. :)

It just seemed a bit awkward to not have a favorite between Fed and Nadal, when he clearly likes Fed more. Especially that his true allegiance won't get hurt or anything since Fed actually stands a smaller chance of beating Novak at this stage than Nadal does, that's all.
Don't get me wrong, my comment is actually giving the ultimate respect to Federer, in that I feel, he can give Djokovic problems. I will never ever underestimate the brilliance of Federer at Wimbledon, and if he gets to the final then he will have a puncher's chance. Djokovic will be favorite against no matter whoever wins that Fedal semi...a part of me wants Nadal there also, so if Djokovic beats him without the roof then that will finally end all that salt that contaminated the soil of Center Court since last year's semi. Either way, it will mean Djokovic needs to play his best to win, because if he doesn't, he will lose.

Novak's A game is better than Fedal's A game at this stage of their careers here, so it depends on what Novak turns up. :)
 
#72
Please don't kid yourself here. There is absolutely nothing normal about Federer beating Nadal in a slam, it will be massive if he does it again at this age, especially with the way Nadal is playing.
federer beating nadal at a slam during his prime (given their record) wasn't guaranteed idk why people think it is now
 
#73
Don't get me wrong, my comment is actually giving the ultimate respect to Federer, in that I feel, he can give Djokovic problems. I will never ever underestimate the brilliance of Federer at Wimbledon, and if he gets to the final then he will have a puncher's chance. Djokovic will be favorite against no matter whoever wins that Fedal semi...a part of me wants Nadal there also, so if Djokovic beats him without the roof then that will finally end all that salt that contaminated the soil of Center Court since last year's semi. Either way, it will mean Djokovic needs to play his best to win, because if he doesn't, he will lose.

Novak's A game is better than Fedal's A game at this stage of their careers here, so it depends on what Novak turns up. :)
i think Djoker turns up the heat against Fedal

I look forward to Wimby #5 on Sunday
 
#75
If we're entering the moral realm, we all know who the unquestioned winner is. Bull tied up the moral title long ago. Think about all the ways in which he's already been cheated:

- seeded #3 unfairly.
- given thoughest draw of all time unfairly.
- made to play on lightning quick courts.
- subject to near criminal conspiracy to pretend that the courts are slow.
- may have to play under the roof.
- scheduled on court 1 twice, including in very tricky match against big serving Querrey, which should clearly have been at least on Center, if not on Chatrier.
- old, rusty, injured Bull who plays tennis. If Federer can't beat 33-year-old Bull in conditions that massively favor Federer, there really is no hope for him.
The slowest grass court ever at wimbledon
and pure cheat as usual
The wimbledon rules were applied regarding the seeding of each player. Bull Cheat chose not to play a warm up event. Tough luck. But moaning because the rules were applied....bull cheat again.

So no he's not really the moral winner but the ultimate bull cheat
 
#77
Don't get me wrong, my comment is actually giving the ultimate respect to Federer, in that I feel, he can give Djokovic problems. I will never ever underestimate the brilliance of Federer at Wimbledon, and if he gets to the final then he will have a puncher's chance. Djokovic will be favorite against no matter whoever wins that Fedal semi...a part of me wants Nadal there also, so if Djokovic beats him without the roof then that will finally end all that salt that contaminated the soil of Center Court since last year's semi. Either way, it will mean Djokovic needs to play his best to win, because if he doesn't, he will lose.

Novak's A game is better than Fedal's A game at this stage of their careers here, so it depends on what Novak turns up. :)
Sounds like an excuse. If Novak loses = it is not his A game. So why should Nadal even play the final? You will demerit his potential victory saying Djokovic was not brining his A game.
 
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#79
Honestly, don't take it personally, I don't care what it sounds like.

Strange how I didn't see you say that about Nadal when he was losing in MC, Barcelona and Madrid....
Nadal is playing substantially better at Wimbledon 2019 than Wimbledon 2018. Anderson had made 100 aces before facing Nadal, and Nadal destroyed him in 3 sets and broke his serve 6 times. Nadal also played better against Kyrgios than against Delpo. Nadal choked a tie-break with Delpo when he had a set point with his serve. This year he is serving better and has made more aces (47) than both Federer (42) and Djokovic (40). So whether Djokovic's A game will be enough to defeat Nadal's A game is yet to be seen.
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
#81
Nadal is playing substantially better at Wimbledon 2019 than Wimbledon 2018. Anderson had made 100 aces before facing Nadal, and Nadal destroyed him in 3 sets and broke his serve 6 times. So whether Djokovic's A game will be enough to defeat Nadal's A game is yet to be seen.
Djokovic has beaten Nadal TWICE in the biggest matches on grass, including comprehensively dismantling him in 2011. But Nadal obviously wasn't playing his A game for either match, who is making the excuses now? Nadal has yet to beat a full healthy Djokovic at Wimbledon, and last year, Djokovic beat Nadal even without a BH DTL while every single shot of Nadal's was working.

So, I have no idea where you think you are coming from with this. At Wimbledon, Djokovic's best beats Nadal's best, it has happened.
 
#82
Djokovic has beaten Nadal TWICE in the biggest matches on grass, including comprehensively dismantling him in 2011. But Nadal obviously wasn't playing his A game for either match, who is making the excuses now? Nadal has yet to beat a full healthy Djokovic at Wimbledon, and last year, Djokovic beat Nadal even without a BH DTL while every single shot of Nadal's was working.

So, I have no idea where you think you are coming from with this. At Wimbledon, Djokovic's best beats Nadal's best, it has happened.
Nadal's shot-making was inferior in 2011 than in 2019. His shots in 2011 were far less deep. Nadal is also playing better than in 2018., as you can see comparing the tie-breaks of the Kyrgios' and Del Potro's matches. He has made more aces (47) than both Federer (42) and Djokovic (40) this Wimbledon's edition. Nadal is also playing better than in 2018. If Nadal wins the Wimbledon final, Djokovic was unable to beat Nadal's A game in terms of shot-making.

Also, Nadal defeated Djokovic in Wimbledon 2007 or Queens 2008. If Nadal wins the Wimbledon final, he would lead the H2H 3-2 over Djokovic on grass.
 
#83
Djokovic has beaten Nadal TWICE in the biggest matches on grass, including comprehensively dismantling him in 2011. But Nadal obviously wasn't playing his A game for either match, who is making the excuses now? Nadal has yet to beat a full healthy Djokovic at Wimbledon, and last year, Djokovic beat Nadal even without a BH DTL while every single shot of Nadal's was working.

So, I have no idea where you think you are coming from with this. At Wimbledon, Djokovic's best beats Nadal's best, it has happened.
Nadal has never lost while healthy, don't you remember?
 
#84
Nadal is playing substantially better at Wimbledon 2019 than Wimbledon 2018. Anderson had made 100 aces before facing Nadal, and Nadal destroyed him in 3 sets and broke his serve 6 times. Nadal also played better against Kyrgios than against Delpo. Nadal choked a tie-break with Delpo when he had a set point with his serve. This year he is serving better and has made more aces (47) than both Federer (42) and Djokovic (40). So whether Djokovic's A game will be enough to defeat Nadal's A game is yet to be seen.
Djokovic and Federer played better returners and he played two and a half servebots. I wouldn't put too much into ace numbers. It matters who serves better on the day.
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
#85
Nadal's shot-making was inferior in 2011 than in 2019. His shots in 2011 were far less deep. He has made more aces (47) than both Federer (42) and Djokovic (40) this Wimbleodn's edition. Nadal is also playing better than in 2018. If Nadal wins the Wimbledon final, Djokovic was unable to beat Nadal's A game in terms of shot-making.
LOL - Who is making the excuses now?

Lets me clear this up with you, Nadal has NEVER beaten Djokovic at Wimbledon when Djokovic was fit, he is 2-0 when both were fit and match ready. If you are telling me that Nadal wasn't maxing out in that Wimbledon semi final, you clearly didn't watch that match and Djokovic still beat him without a backhand DTL.

Now stop making excuses if you are going to expect it from others, practice what you preach.
 
#86
The slowest grass court ever at wimbledon
and pure cheat as usual
The wimbledon rules were applied regarding the seeding of each player. Bull Cheat chose not to play a warm up event. Tough luck. But moaning because the rules were applied....bull cheat again.

So no he's not really the moral winner but the ultimate bull cheat
I'm sorry but this is a very unobjective post that reeks of getting your excuses in early. As @TheMaestro1990 just pointed out, Nadal has never lost while healthy. That's part of the reason why he is morally unbeaten. In fact, he has never even lost a single moral point. He has been the victim of a decades long obstruction campaign by the tour, although he keeps foiling their plans by winning anyway. Nadal is in fact undisputed and indisputable goat, boat, and ghoat, because of his unparalleled sportsmanship, modesty, and grace.
 
#87
LOL - Who is making the excuses now?

Lets me clear this up with you, Nadal has NEVER beaten Djokovic at Wimbledon when Djokovic was fit, he is 2-0 when both were fit and match ready. If you are telling me that Nadal wasn't maxing out in that Wimbledon semi final, you clearly didn't watch that match and Djokovic still beat him without a backhand DTL.

Now stop making excuses if you are going to expect it from others, practice what you preach.
Nadal fans as they know Nadal is not as good as Fed and Novak they apply double standard. They take away achievements from Fed and Nadal and glorify Nadal's. Cheat bull
 
#88
LOL - Who is making the excuses now?

Lets me clear this up with you, Nadal has NEVER beaten Djokovic at Wimbledon when Djokovic was fit, he is 2-0 when both were fit and match ready. If you are telling me that Nadal wasn't maxing out in that Wimbledon semi final, you clearly didn't watch that match and Djokovic still beat him without a backhand DTL.

Now stop making excuses if you are going to expect it from others, practice what you preach.
What nonsense! Do you really believe that Djokovic has EVER beaten Nadal anywhere when Nadal was fit and not the victim of a conspiracy of some sort of another? Let me tell you: he has not. Nadal has a 52-0 head-to-head lead against him. Oh, I suppose, that Nadal might have thrown him a bone at some warm-up or other by not deploying his full arsenal - not using his forehand down-the-line or his 130 MPH serve - so as to lull Djokovic into a false sense of security only to break his heart yet again by bringing his full game to the majors. But any such victories that Djokovic might have achieved in Tashkent or Guayaquil or Pretoria or perhaps Lusaka or Bamako or Heidelberg are completely hollow, because Djokovic knows deep down that Nadal would have won had he wanted to, and so such victories ought, morally, to go in the Nadal column, too. Indeed, not only has Djokovic never beaten Nadal anywhere, but he could never beat him anywhere. It is ludicrous to imagine such an upset!
 
#89
Don't get me wrong, my comment is actually giving the ultimate respect to Federer, in that I feel, he can give Djokovic problems. I will never ever underestimate the brilliance of Federer at Wimbledon, and if he gets to the final then he will have a puncher's chance. Djokovic will be favorite against no matter whoever wins that Fedal semi...a part of me wants Nadal there also, so if Djokovic beats him without the roof then that will finally end all that salt that contaminated the soil of Center Court since last year's semi. Either way, it will mean Djokovic needs to play his best to win, because if he doesn't, he will lose.

Novak's A game is better than Fedal's A game at this stage of their careers here, so it depends on what Novak turns up. :)
Did Djokovic fans stop complaining about the rain (which is a terrible excuse anyway since it helped Djokovic to avoid losing in straights) in RG 2012 after he lost to Nadal in RG 2013 with a perfect weather? I wasn't even reading this forum back then but trust me, on other forums the answer was NO. Different matches, different years. I never said Djokovic wouldn't have a chance without a roof. But yes, Nadal's chances would be better than they were with a roof. That's it. By the way given how much complaining there was from Federer and Djokovic fans this year about the weather in RG it is strange to see Nadal fanbase is still being bashed for something.
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
#90
Nadal fans as they know Nadal is not as good as Fed and Novak they apply double standard. They take away achievements from Fed and Nadal and glorify Nadal's. Cheat bull
Here, let me illustrate my good friend Sport's way of applying double standards.

He likes to go on about the 2-1 H2H Nadal has at the USO, right? How convenient that Djokovic was at his peak in 2010 for that match, because he beat a struggling Federer, and there is no difference in level between that Novak, and the 2011 version. Nadal beat the best version of Djokovic that year. Now, here he is saying at Wimbledon that Djokovic never beat a Nadal who was playing his A game, yet will hear nothing of it if you say Djokovic wasn't playing his A game in USO 2010 or 2013...

He counts Wimbledon 2007 as a legit win, sure, but then dismisses the RG three set shell shacking that Djokovic gave Nadal, because Nadal was out of form, completely failing to acknowledge that Djokovic was injured and had to stop the match in the third set of their Wimbledon semi, having split the first two sets.
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
#91
What nonsense! Do you really believe that Djokovic has EVER beaten Nadal anywhere when Nadal was fit and not the victim of a conspiracy of some sort of another? Let me tell you: he has not. Nadal has a 52-0 head-to-head lead against him. Oh, I suppose, that Nadal might have thrown him a bone at some warm-up or other by not deploying his full arsenal - not using his forehand down-the-line or his 130 MPH serve - so as to lull Djokovic into a false sense of security only to break his heart yet again by bringing his full game to the majors. But any such victories that Djokovic might have achieved in Tashkent or Guayaquil or Pretoria or perhaps Lusaka or Bamako or Heidelberg are completely hollow, because Djokovic knows deep down that Nadal would have won had he wanted to, and so such victories ought, morally, to go in the Nadal column, too. Indeed, not only has Djokovic never beaten Nadal anywhere, but he could never beat him anywhere. It is ludicrous to imagine such an upset!
I forgot, how silly me, it's the injured person who plays tennis.

Nadal has never lost when on his A game anywhere....
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
#92
Did Djokovic fans stop complaining about the rain (which is a terrible excuse anyway since it helped Djokovic to avoid losing in straights) in RG 2012 after he lost to Nadal in RG 2013 with a perfect weather? I wasn't even reading this forum back then but trust me, on other forums the answer was NO. Different matches, different years. I never said Djokovic wouldn't have a chance without a roof. But yes, Nadal's chances would be better than they were with a roof. That's it. By the way given how much complaining there was from Federer and Djokovic fans this year about the weather in RG it is strange to see Nadal fanbase is still being bashed for something.
The thing though is some Nadal fans are saying he is playing great tennis, according to some better than last year and like his chances, and this time no roof....so no excuses if he loses. Simple.
 
#93
The thing though is some Nadal fans are saying he is playing great tennis, according to some better than last year and like his chances, and this time no roof....so no excuses if he loses. Simple.
The key word here is "some". Some Nadal fans. Not all. I don't think any of the big 3 played great tennis at this tournament so far. Good but not great.
 
#95
Never has, never will.

Somehow, this most modest of undefeated champions has acquired a vainglorious fanbase. Weird.
Oh, as if all Djokovic fans always give credit to his opponents. Some of them believe Djokovic was tired at USO 2010, USO 2013, RG 2015 when he basically played one 5 set match (and none of these 5 set matches was really physically tough) at each of these tournaments. And that's the same fans who call him the fittest player on tour. If these are not excuses then I don't know what is.
 
#96
Oh, as if all Djokovic fans always give credit to his opponents. Some of them believe Djokovic was tired at USO 2010, USO 2013, RG 2015 when he basically played one 5 set match (and none of these 5 set matches was really physically tough) at each of these tournaments. And that's the same fans who call him the fittest player on tour. If these are not excuses then I don't know what is.
The fittest is Nadal. We"d like to know how he does it.
 

Mustard

Talk Tennis Guru
#97
a part of me wants Nadal there also, so if Djokovic beats him without the roof then that will finally end all that salt that contaminated the soil of Center Court since last year's semi.
How would it? Last year was last year. Djokovic hadn't won a major in over 2 years and got confidence back enough to win 3 majors in a row because of that semi last year. The dynamic is not the same should Nadal and Djokovic meet in the final this year.
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
#98
How would it? Last year was last year. Djokovic hadn't won a major in over 2 years and got confidence back enough to win 3 majors in a row because of that semi last year. The dynamic is not the same should Nadal and Djokovic meet in the final this year.
Haven't you heard? Nadal is playing better than last year....
 
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