FEDERER WILL NEVER SIGN WITH UNIQLO!!!

Rubens

Hall of Fame
STOP THE NONSENSE!!!

Does anyone here really think he'll sign with them?! I'm willing to bet my life savings that he will not. Hell, I'll even throw in a kidney. Not sure what I'd do with an extra kidney though.
 

Bukowski

Professional
STOP THE NONSENSE!!!

Does anyone here really think he'll sign with them?! I'm willing to bet my life savings that he will not. Hell, I'll even throw in a kidney. Not sure what I'd do with an extra kidney though.
No, if you threw in a kidney, youd have one less, not one more... this math i can do ;)
 

brinkeguthrie

Professional
With most players I couldn't care less, but I've been wearing and collecting Federer Nike gear for over a decade now and I've really enjoyed it. It has a calming influence on me.
The Zen of Fed. The Force is strong with this one. And you know what, I totally agree. Same with the original Borg Fila line. Some looks are just meant to be. Fed in anything but Nike would be like Jordan wearing a White Sox baseball uniform or, even worse, the Washington Wizards.

It's just not proper.
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
The Zen of Fed. The Force is strong with this one. And you know what, I totally agree. Same with the original Borg Fila line. Some looks are just meant to be. Fed in anything but Nike would be like Jordan wearing a White Sox baseball uniform or, even worse, the Washington Wizards.

It's just not proper.
Somewhere a Nike marketing guru shed a tear.

:cool:
 

Rhino

Legend
One annoying thing about Nike is that they use clever accounting to avoid paying millions in tax. I'll save a fortune too if Federer leaves Nike.
 

Subway Tennis

Hall of Fame
Fanboy chagrin aside, the best case scenario for humble tennis and Nike fans would be for Federer to leave Nike.

1. We get a fascinating new sports marketing case study to refer to.

2. Nike lets go a big cash commitment, and can offer a slightly lower price point for one of their premier tennis lines.

3. Freed up from having to align with a "graceful" but very rigid RF aesthetic, Nike can spend more time developing a premium tennis line with more scope for creativity and aggressive design and styling.

4. Extra attention could also be paid to the NikeCourt line. Some nice pieces have come out of the rebooted NikeCourt line in the last few years, and they could take it back to its 90s glory.
 

joekapa

Legend
Cristiano Ronaldo, has 132m followers on Instgram. Lionel Messi has 96.5m followers.

Federer has 5m followers, Nadal has 5.2m, Djokovic 4m.

Just to put a bit of perspective into people thinking that Federer "deserves" a deal that Jordan or Ronaldo are getting from Nike.

Ronaldo signed a deal with Nike, that can potentially bring him 1 billion in his lifetime. Potentially being the operative word.

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You think Federer is worth that much ? Nike are NOT stupid. They have run through the numbers a lot of times, and know marketing, like NOONE else.

It's another thing what Federer THINKS he deserves, and another thing what he deserves.

Rememebr when Agassi said that his father regretted making Andre into a tennis player, because he could of made much more as a baseball player ? He was not wrong.

So my take is that he should take the Uniqlo deal, if the numbers are the ones that are being reported (30m a year for 10 years). Otherwise there is NO WAY, even with his own line, he will be making those sort of numbers.

There is NO WAY the "Federer line", will be the new Lacoste, or Fred Perry, for that matter. Those brands are like Coca Cola, in the fashion world. You think a new "Federer line" will be able to compete. NO WAY.
 

joekapa

Legend
With most players I couldn't care less, but I've been wearing and collecting Federer Nike gear for over a decade now and I've really enjoyed it. It has a calming influence on me.
It's called the cult of personality.

That being said.....there are not many of you around, for Nike to cough up Lebron or Ronaldo type money.....to Federer.
 

joekapa

Legend
Oh yes. I forgot. Messi has also signed a similar lifetime deal with Adidas, said to be worth close to a billion. Like Ronald and Lebron have with Nike.
 
There’s quite a difference between Ronaldo and Federer in terms of how marketable they are though. Ronaldo is mainly for his shoes. How many shoes do amateur players buy? 1 pair per year? Maybe not even?
What do tennis players buy? Youngsters who train a lot buy new pairs of vapors every other month or more. They buy the newest kits for every slam and even Indian Wells or WTF outfits. I’m not saying Federer is as popular as Ronaldo, but tennis is just totally different I think.
 

joekapa

Legend
There’s quite a difference between Ronaldo and Federer in terms of how marketable they are though. Ronaldo is mainly for his shoes. How many shoes do amateur players buy? 1 pair per year? Maybe not even?
What do tennis players buy? Youngsters who train a lot buy new pairs of vapors every other month or more. They buy the newest kits for every slam and even Indian Wells or WTF outfits. I’m not saying Federer is as popular as Ronaldo, but tennis is just totally different I think.
How many youngsters play tennis, and how many play football, and basketball ?

Tennis is an expensive sport. What I see at my club, is that parents buy generally what's on sale. Sure a kid might have a Federer top, here and there, but in no way do you see them everywhere ........Usually a casual t shirt, here and there. No sportswear.

As for footwear.......whatver is on sale, is what you see..
 

Rhino

Legend
It's called the cult of personality.

That being said.....there are not many of you around, for Nike to cough up Lebron or Ronaldo type money.....to Federer.
You might need to get a new calculator.

Federer 2018 endorsement earnings: $65M (#1 sponsorships earnings in all of sports 2018)

Lebron 2018 endorsement earnings: $52M

Ronaldo 2018 endorsement earnings: $47M

Messi 2018 endorsement earnings: $27M

Source: Forbes
 
How many youngsters play tennis, and how many play football, and basketball ?

Tennis is an expensive sport. What I see at my club, is that parents buy generally what's on sale. Sure a kid might have a Federer top, here and there, but in no way do you see them everywhere ........Usually a casual t shirt, here and there. No sportswear.

As for footwear.......whatver is on sale, is what you see..
I’m not saying tennis is as big as football. Basketball I have no idea, I’m from Europe. But what I see is that most kids get the newest stuff from their parents.

My whole point is just that the market is a bit different, so it would make sense for a company like Nike to keep Roger on board forever.
 

joekapa

Legend
I’m not saying tennis is as big as football. Basketball I have no idea, I’m from Europe. But what I see is that most kids get the newest stuff from their parents.

My whole point is just that the market is a bit different, so it would make sense for a company like Nike to keep Roger on board forever.
I'm from Europe too. You seeing tennis is bigger than football and basketball in Europe ?

No way.

You saying more kids play/follow tennis than football(soccer) or basketball. No way.


Tell me tha last time you have heard a 10 y.o child say "I need to get home to watch the French/Wimbledon/US/Austyralian open final". But when Real Madrid, Barcelona, World Cup, Champions League, heck even the Basketball Playoffs are on......not a kid in sight. All home watching them.
 

joekapa

Legend
Basketball is HUGE in Europe. Spain, Greece, Italy, Israel, Croatia, Serbia, Israel, Russia.....even Germany have got great basketball league's with loyal followers. Easily the second biggest sport in Europe.
 

joekapa

Legend
You might need to get a new calculator.

Federer 2018 endorsement earnings: $65M (#1 sponsorships earnings in all of sports 2018)

Lebron 2018 endorsement earnings: $52M

Ronaldo 2018 endorsement earnings: $47M

Messi 2018 endorsement earnings: $27M

Source: Forbes
Yes, yes.....we have seen those figures, but this year is not a given for next year, in tennis.

I have asked this again. If Federer was to receive a lifetime deal with Nike, they would of done it YEARS ago. His legend status has been cemented for a while now. Why haven't they done it yet ? Because simply the NUMBERS don't add up.
 
I'm from Europe too. You seeing tennis is bigger than football and basketball in Europe ?

No way.

You saying more kids play/follow tennis than football(soccer) or basketball. No way.


Tell me tha last time you have heard a 10 y.o child say "I need to get home to watch the French/Wimbledon/US/Austyralian open final". But when Real Madrid, Barcelona, World Cup, Champions League, heck even the Basketball Playoffs are on......not a kid in sight. All home watching them.
Dude you can’t read
 

West Coast Ace

G.O.A.T.
My whole point is just that the market is a bit different, so it would make sense for a company like Nike to keep Roger on board forever.
Nike DOES want to sign him for life - just at a reasonable rate based on market realities as @joekapa is pointing out. Fed, and I’m a big fan, and his team (apparently) are just expecting way too much. Fed is almost retired, doesn’t play very often, has publicly stated he may just drive the kids to school and for ice cream when he does retire- not the kind of guy a business is going to pay a huge amount to.

To the poster above that thinks Nike will drop prices if they do cut ties w Fed - good luck with that.
 

joekapa

Legend
Dude you can’t read
OK. Whatever you say.

My question(s) to you, seen as you think that Nike should sign a lifetime deal with Federer.

1) Why haven't they already, seen as his legend status has been cemented for years now ?
2) If Ronaldo, Lebron, Messi have signed billion dollar lifetime deals with Nike, and Adidas, how much do you think Federer would be worth ?
 
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joekapa

Legend
Nike DOES want to sign him for life - just at a reasonable rate based on market realities as @joekapa is pointing out. Fed, and I’m a big fan, and his team (apparently) are just expecting way too much. Fed is almost retired, doesn’t play very often, has publicly stated he may just drive the kids to school and for ice cream when he does retire- not the kind of guy a business is going to pay a huge amount to.

To the poster above that thinks Nike will drop prices if they do cut ties w Fed - good luck with that.
I said earlier that Federer would not get HALF of what Ronald, Lebron, or Messi are getting. Strike that. He will not even get a third of that.....over a lifetime.

Tennis is simply NOT AS POPULAR, and doesn't have a large enough market base.

Also, if this "Federer line" continues to be developed, who is the main competition ? Lacoste, Fred Perry, Ralph Lauren, Tommy Hillfinger. Each of those brands are the coca-cola, pepsi's of the fashion world. Trying to crack them, would be like cracking a granite rock, with a toothpick.
 

Bobby Jr

G.O.A.T.
Nike DOES want to sign him for life - just at a reasonable rate based on market realities as @joekapa is pointing out. Fed, and I’m a big fan, and his team (apparently) are just expecting way too much.
We don't know this at all though, only what random posters here have said. If I've said it 50 times on this board it wont have been enough: these deals never get done with public knowledge and by the time we find out about them they have probably been in discussion for six months, if not more.

For all we know he's signing/signed a global deal to be the face of UNIQLO for their brand but he'll continue to wear Nike for tennis. It's not so absurd.. Nadal got a deal with an underwear company and other players have also had deals with Hugo Boss and other fashion brands etc over the years. We wont know till we know.

Fed is almost retired, doesn’t play very often, has publicly stated he may just drive the kids to school and for ice cream when he does retire- not the kind of guy a business is going to pay a huge amount to.
I think this should be clarified to: not the kind of guys a sportswear business...

For a deal with a company like UNIQLO to be their global face it wouldn't matter one bit if he was retired. In fact some athletes' aura/legend grows when they retire: Jordan, Maradonna...
 

joekapa

Legend
We don't know this at all though, only what random posters here have said. If I've said it 50 times on this board it wont have been enough: these deals never get done with public knowledge and by the time we find out about them they have probably been in discussion for six months, if not more.

For all we know he's signing/signed a global deal to be the face of UNIQLO for their brand but he'll continue to wear Nike for tennis. It's not so absurd.. Nadal got a deal with an underwear company and other players have also had deals with Hugo Boss and other fashion brands etc over the years. We wont know till we know.


I think this should be clarified to: not the kind of guys a sportswear business...

For a deal with a company like UNIQLO to be their global face it wouldn't matter one bit if he was retired. In fact some athletes' aura/legend grows when they retire: Jordan, Maradonna...
Agreed. Yes UNIQLO is the type of company that will pay big bucks to Federer. He should take the deal.

But no I don't think it will not be for his remaining days in tennis though. He will wear their apparel, if the deal goes through. Like Novak's......obviously for more money.
 
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