Federer will win AO 2020 or Wimb 2020

UnderratedSlam

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2009 Djokovic was leagues ahead of his 2010 form; it's not even a contest lmao.
Keep laughing... 2009 is the only year from 2007-2016 that Novak couldn't reach a slam finale. He won just one M1000 (of 33). If you actually believe that a bunch of semis and lost finales make a great year for a ATG... good luck with that theory.

Besides, 2010 being a relatively weak Novak year does not automatically make 2009 strong. What kind of bizarre logic is that?

And anyway, 2010 he played a slam finale and won Davis Cup.

2009 was less competitive than 2008 and 2007. Certainly not MORE competitive.
 

UnderratedSlam

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Still 100x closer than Nadal will ever get to winning another Wimbledon. He can pile up all those FOs and USOs filled with Berrettinis and Youzhnys all he wants. Keep praying to your blue collar God.
Hilarious. Now that Rafa has lots of USOs now THAT slam is declared inferior by some RF fans.

But obviously W and AO are superior... "Because whichever slams my hero wins most are the IMPORTANT slams."

Such daft logic. So child-like.

FO is the toughest slam to win. But it still counts the same as the other three. Luckily for RF and Novak fans.
 

Third Serve

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Keep laughing... 2009 is the only year from 2007-2016 that Novak couldn't reach a slam finale. He won just one M1000 (of 33). If you actually believe that a bunch of semis and lost finales make a great year for a ATG... good luck with that theory.

Besides, 2010 being a relatively weak Novak year does not automatically make 2009 strong. What kind of bizarre logic is that?

And anyway, 2010 he played a slam finale and won Davis Cup.

2009 was less competitive than 2008 and 2007. Certainly not MORE competitive.
Less competitive? Compare that table with similar stats for 2007 and 2008, if you feel so strongly about it.

Judging from your response, it's likely that you didn't even read the table.
 

tudwell

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I don't see it happening. He's been on a clear downward trend since winning Wimbledon in 2017. This year's Wimbledon was a brief blip back up to slam-winning form – even more so than last year's Australian (which obviously he won, though he had a much more favorable draw there). But then he follows it up with another loss to a second-tier player in Dimitrov – something all too common these days. Maybe he'll put it all together for one last run, but I think Wimbledon was his big shot, and unfortunately he failed to close it out.
 
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As I have mentioned in other threads, Tennis Australia has contracted GreenSet to lay the new court surface for the AO 2020.

We have absolutely no idea how this surface will play until the Tournament comes around so it is very difficult to speculate as to who will be favoured.

However, after observing the way Medvedev handled himself at the US Open, he may spoil the party for all of the Big 3 in Melbourne next January.

Time will tell.
The new Davis Cup to be played at the end of November in Madrid, will be played on this surface.
Nadal and Djokovic (if he recovers of his injury) will participate there.
Also, before the Australian Open, the ATP Cup will also be played on this surface, and it is likely that the big 3 and many other players will play that tournament.
 
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AceSalvo

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Lol, at the 40-15.

Djokdal was supposed to motor past Freddy in 2017 according to Fed-haters back in 2015. Old Freddy did them out and still leads Djokdal. Fed-haters like to laugh at themselves a lot.
 

Third Serve

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Mono is THE most relevant event in tennis history. It COMPLETELY destroyed RF and allowed weak champs Rafa and Novak to take over.

Right?
Yeah, no. All I know is that Fed was better in 2009. Mono isn't even part of this discussion and Federer was going to decline anyway; he started losing his touch in Bo3 in 2007.

Anyway, moving on. Here's 2008's top 10, the distributed achievements of which you can compare to 2009.

2008 Top 10Player Achievements (same criteria as 2009)
1. Nadal2 Slams, 3 Masters, 2 Slam semifinals, 1 Masters final
2. Federer1 Slam, 2 Slam finals, 2 Masters finals, 1 Slam semifinal
3. Djokovic1 Slam, WTF, 2 Masters, 1 Masters final, 2 Slam semifinals
4. Murray1 Slam final, 2 Masters
5. Davydenko1 Masters, WTF final
6. Tsonga1 Slam final, 1 Masters
7. Simon1 Masters final
8. RoddickNothing noteworthy
9. Del PotroNothing noteworthy
10. BlakeNothing noteworthy

It was a pretty strong year for the top 5 but the field takes a nosedive after Tsonga. In 2009, the bottom half of the top 10 was much stronger while still equaling (or at the very least nearly reaching) 2008's top 5 in strength.
 

UnderratedSlam

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Yeah, no. All I know is that Fed was better in 2009. Mono isn't even part of this discussion and Federer was going to decline anyway; he started losing his touch in Bo3 in 2007.
So you actually believe that EVERY year RF won multiple slams was "the most competitive year"?

If Rafa had not been injured or in any way hampered in 2009, you still believe RF would have been 2-1 in slam finales?

Especially considering what happened in 2008 and 2010.

Use your logic. Ignore your RF bias.
 

MugOpponent

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Wimbledon is clearly the best chance. Australia is a distant second but anything can happen with injuries and the field itself. I would never completely write off Federer.
 

Pheasant

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Injuries or even mono are not valid excuses for losing. Otherwise, every single player could come up with an excuse. Delpo and Soderling without injuries or mono likely would have improved and won a ton of slams. But I cannot prove this theory at all. It's all speculation.

At the end of the day, all the matters is the player that raises the big trophy. Trying to downplay a slam title is a joke.

With that being said, congrats to Nadal for bringing home #19. Granted, I really wish that Federer would hold the record. But each one of these players earns the title. I have no excuses here. Nadal beat the best players in the world at that time.

None of us posters here have a right to downplay any title in which a player was the best in the world while taking home millions of dollars in a fortnight. Nadal earned his 19th slam title 100%. Heck, an in-form Federer in 2017 lost to #116 Donskoy in Dubai(a title Fed has won 7 times) and to #302 Haas on grass. Those were the only two losses that Federer had until the Montreal final rolled around. Beating 7 pros in a row is an amazing feat. At any time, a top-5 player can be bumped from a tourney.

Nadal, please stop at #19. But if you don't, you'll deserve all of the accolades that come your way. #21 will slam the door shut on all of this, provided that Fed is done winning.

Tomorrow is never guaranteed. So let's not get ahead of ourselves either. But things are looking good for Nadal. But as all of us have learned, never count any of these guys out of it.
 

MugOpponent

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AO a distant second?

He's won two AOs recently, one Wimby.

I'd say he has at least equal chances of winning either.
While that is true, I think it's pretty obvious Federer matches up better vs. the field and more importantly other top players at Wimbledon than the AO. Assuming there's a healthy Djokovic around, that impacts Federer's chances quite negatively in Melbourne.
 

UnderratedSlam

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While that is true, I think it's pretty obvious Federer matches up better vs. the field and more importantly other top players at Wimbledon than the AO. Assuming there's a healthy Djokovic around, that impacts Federer's chances quite negatively in Melbourne.
I agree that whether Djokovic plays AO in top form is always the deciding factor, kind of like Nadal at FO almost.
 

Third Serve

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So you actually believe that EVERY year RF won multiple slams was "the most competitive year"?

If Rafa had not been injured or in any way hampered in 2009, you still believe RF would have been 2-1 in slam finales?

Especially considering what happened in 2008 and 2010.

Use your logic. Ignore your RF bias.
Not really, considering I rate 2012 higher than 2009, and Fed only won one slam there.

I personally don't think Nadal would win the French Open even if he wasn't injured. The injury wasn't as serious here as it was in Wimbledon so Nadal was actually able to play decently against Soderling. Robin genuinely caught him off-guard and at his B-game, so he couldn't climb back into the match. I'm thinking this match was pretty similar to Isner 2011 except Soderling played much better than Isner.

It's impossible to know how well Nadal would have played at Wimbledon considering he never played a match on grass that year. I would guess not as good the previous year and closer to 2010. If he does play closer to 2010, I can see Roddick beating him on the way to the final. Nadal in 2010 struggled a lot in the early rounds (had to overcome a 0-2 deficit against Petzschner and also went five vs. Haase). If he plays closer to 2008, he could probably win the whole thing. It's difficult to ascertain because it isn't like some random hard court tournament out of dozens on the tour; it's literally only one grass tournament. So I'll answer with a ?-mark.

Nadal's decline in 2009 wasn't all because of the injury. It was going to happen anyway, based on results before and after the injury happened. Even after Nadal recovered in the hard court swing, he wasn't playing near as good as he was before the French Open. That's enough to tell me that he was merely in a slump for most of that year and not injured the whole season. It's the same story with Federer in 2008.

Speaking of logic, how about addressing the two tables I've posted which show that 2009 had a deeper field and was more competitive than 2008?
 

UnderratedSlam

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Speaking of logic, how about addressing the two tables I've posted which show that 2009 had a deeper field and was more competitive than 2008?
That's nothing to do with logic. It's laziness. Can't be bothered.

Besides, in the era of Big 4, the rest of the field is almost irrelevant. It's all about who is fit from the 4 and who beats whom. The others are extras.
 

Raul_SJ

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wimby final was his last chance, and he blew it......next year there will be challenges from at least two players outside the big 3.......so not happening, best to retire at lavers cup.......
40-15 was such a massive choke that it is possible that it will motivate him to make a run at one more.
Who the hell wants to end on that sour note??
:(
 

AceSalvo

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40-15 was such a massive choke that it is possible that it will motivate him to win one more.
Who the hell wants to end on that sour note??
:(
And If that’s the last slam final Fed ever played, what are you going to do? I know Fed has locked up a bright future regardless of 40-15.

Lol.
 

Third Serve

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That's nothing to do with logic. It's laziness. Can't be bothered.

Besides, in the era of Big 4, the rest of the field is almost irrelevant. It's all about who is fit from the 4 and who beats whom. The others are extras.
2009 was different. That's why I'm calling it a strong year. Each and every Slam champion of that year was forced to fight to win their titles. Each of them had to endure a five setter (or two) to win. It's not like they were weak champions and they dropped set to nobodies; their opponents were actually making them work for it.

Nadal had Verdasco and Federer for the AO, Federer had Haas and Delpo for the FO, Federer had Roddick for Wimby, and Delpo had Federer for the USO. Even the Masters 1000s themselves were hard-fought and we all know how Davydenko won the WTF. No one was "gifted" any big tournaments (well, except for Nadal at Rome but that was because of him, not the opponents).
 

UnderratedSlam

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2009 was different. That's why I'm calling it a strong year. Each and every Slam champion of that year was forced to fight to win their titles. Each of them had to endure a five setter (or two) to win. It's not like they were weak champions and they dropped set to nobodies; their opponents were actually making them work for it.

Nadal had Verdasco and Federer for the AO, Federer had Haas and Delpo for the FO, Federer had Roddick for Wimby, and Delpo had Federer for the USO. Even the Masters 1000s themselves were hard-fought and we all know how Davydenko won the WTF. No one was "gifted" any big tournaments (well, except for Nadal at Rome but that was because of him, not the opponents).
You don't seem to get it.

Nadal, the no 1 player in 2008, and the guy who held three slams in early 2009 was suddenly out of the picture.

Now do you understand?

You can't take a no 1 player out of the picture and then claim "all is well still". In 2017 Novak's absence made the year crap in terms of competitiveness, for the same reason. There was a huge vacuum and RF and Rafa exploited it.
 

TennisaGoGo

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If he wants it, he can win. But I don't know if he wants it. He was barely on the practice courts at the USO - Rafa and Medvedev were on a lot. Yes, Fed was probably on a private court somewhere, but everybody else was using the USO facility having fun. He's resembled a zombie since Wimbledon, where I thought it'd be the opposite and he'd be fired up. I hope he wins another because I love his style of play. And for the record, the 40-15 wasn't the choke - everybody loses two points on serve, it's not a big deal. It was the all the games after that where he had chances but his stupid box was so depressed, he played tighter than a drum.
 

UnderratedSlam

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“Huge vacuum in 2017”

It was the same vacuum that existed in 2015-2016 which was exploited by someone else.

Vacuum that goes around comes around. LOL.
Such courage, not replying directly to me.

Why the fear? I don't bite.

I only slay bad logic. And you've just done it again.

2015-2016 had a weakened Rafa but he wasn't injured i.e. had no excuses. RF was playing great, much improved from 2013-2014. Murray hit his max in 2016.

But yeah, you despise Novak and consider him an overrated hack. That is your affliction though, not mine.

There you go... I don't bite. No need for the fear.
 

AceSalvo

Legend
Such courage, not replying directly to me.

Why the fear? I don't bite.
Oh I know you bite. But I don’t fear an old fat man who talks about XXX porn on a tennis site.

I generally avoid people who give lot of attention watching other people’s genitals.

Besides, that you are just a nasty Fed hating hypocrite.

Are you sad I didn’t tag you? Ohhh my. Couldn’t have guessed that.
 

Raul_SJ

Legend
And If that’s the last slam final Fed ever played, what are you going to do? I know Fed has locked up a bright future regardless of 40-15.

Lol.
Had he won #21, he would have started to lean a bit towards retirement.
Now that he blew it, it might drive him to avenge it, particularly with the other guy at #19. Fed won't admit it but he surely does not want to go out like that.
The only way to even begin wiping away 40-15 is with an AO win.
But preferably Wimbledon. Preferably over Djoker.
 

KINGROGER

G.O.A.T.
Soon as Federer lost in the US open, his fans were calling upon the nextGen to step up but yet now they want a 38 year old to win AO or Wimbledon? For slow learners like myself, can someone please explain? :)
Because after the cakewalk slams Djokodal won between 18-19... Fed deserves one too. Also to avenge 2019 Wimbledon, that was a tragedy.
 

UnderratedSlam

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Oh I know you bite. But I don’t fear an old man who talks about XXX porn on a tennis site.

I generally avoid people who give lot of attention watching other people’s genitals.
?

Now that you finally reply to me, you sound as if addressing someone else. Imaginary friend? Foe?

Been shaking hands with Bolivian mushrooms, have we? That stuff is bad for you, let it go.
 

UnderratedSlam

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Fed has a chance at Wimbledon still. If he can somehow muster his level of 2019 tournament then only a well playing Djokovic can realistically stop him.
We need to work on instructing the London club to rig the draw better. They need to give RF more pigeons in his quarter of the draw, and make sure Novak gets Medvedev in semis, Kyrgios in 3rd round.
 

KINGROGER

G.O.A.T.
You don't seem to get it.

Nadal, the no 1 player in 2008, and the guy who held three slams in early 2009 was suddenly out of the picture.

Now do you understand?

You can't take a no 1 player out of the picture and then claim "all is well still". In 2017 Novak's absence made the year crap in terms of competitiveness, for the same reason. There was a huge vacuum and RF and Rafa exploited it.
Fed in 2008 was declined from 2007 also. He probably wins 2-3 slams if he didn’t get mono and have his form and confidence shattered.

Also Novak had a vacuum in 2014-2016. 0 ATG competitors. 2017 was similar from clay season onward as Fedal avoided each other apart from Shanghai.
 

UnderratedSlam

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Fed in 2008 was declined from 2007 also. He probably wins 2-3 slams if he didn’t get mono and have his form and confidence shattered.

Also Novak had a vacuum in 2014-2016. 0 ATG competitors. 2017 was similar from clay season onward as Fedal avoided each other apart from Shanghai.
Mono... always a great gag. Never fails to work.
 

Third Serve

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You don't seem to get it.

Nadal, the no 1 player in 2008, and the guy who held three slams in early 2009 was suddenly out of the picture.

Now do you understand?

You can't take a no 1 player out of the picture and then claim "all is well still". In 2017 Novak's absence made the year crap in terms of competitiveness, for the same reason. There was a huge vacuum and RF and Rafa exploited it.
The exact same can be said of 2008 though.
 

AceSalvo

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UnderratedSlam, post: 13653708:
“He told Graf and she told me.

She had a fling with me. Andre isn't supposed to know. Keep it quiet”

UnderratedSlam, post: 13653720:
“Proof usually comes in words.

Unless you want a XXX clip?”

Here is a poster who lost it while trolling. Why would anyone tag this porn watcher busy with someone else’s wife. Ewwwwww.
 

UnderratedSlam

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The exact same can be said of 2008 though.
Where was the vacuum?

Novak WON his 1st slam. He added himself into the picture. The Big 3 was born that year.

Oh... mono. Right?

Eventually it's all about the mono.

Because RF CANNOT lose when playing his best.

Coz RF is god. Right?

I know this song, heard it many times.
 
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