Federer Withdraws from French Open

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
Are you a bipolar idiot? In the same thread you defend your right to have an opinion about Federer's considerations, you call people fanatics and "further gone" for having a different opinion. And this isn't the first time you've acted this way. If people are fanatics for having a different opinion to yours (for perfectly valid reasons, no less), you're an idiot for pretending to be privy to Federer's thoughts.
People aren't fanatics for having an opinion different to mine but the difference is that I'm a Federer fan, not a Federer "fanatic" and many of those Federer fans having an opinion about this topic are Federer fanatics who pi$$ their pants every time Nadal's name is mentioned. I tell it how I see it.

Federer made a statement recently that his FO losses to Nadal in the past scarred him and impacted his results at the non-clay slams vs Nadal. Of course Federer didn't want to risk injury to his body by grinding on clay and yes there were probably other players he could have lost to at the FO but it seems unrealistic that Nadal in his current clay form wouldn't enter in at all on Federer's decision whether to play FO.

I'm done on this topic. I've stated my personal opinion and in the end we don't get to see Federer play at the FO. The reasons are irrelevant and I think his decision not to play the FO is a smart one.
 

mandy01

G.O.A.T.
People aren't fanatics for having an opinion different to mine but the difference is that I'm a Federer fan, not a Federer "fanatic" and many of those Federer fans having an opinion about this topic are Federer fanatics who pi$$ their pants every time Nadal's name is mentioned. I tell it how I see it.

Federer made a statement recently that his FO losses to Nadal in the past scarred him and impacted his results at the non-clay slams vs Nadal. Of course Federer didn't want to risk injury to his body by grinding on clay and yes there were probably other players he could have lost to at the FO but it seems unrealistic that Nadal in his current clay form wouldn't enter in at all on Federer's decision whether to play FO.

I'm done on this topic. I've stated my personal opinion and in the end we don't get to see Federer play at the FO. The reasons are irrelevant and I think his decision not to play the FO is a smart one.
Right so stop telling others off for "telling it how they see it." Fed made it clear at the end of Miami that he was considering giving clay a complete miss. He might have wanted to still play at RG but given how many people have bounced him off when he was healthy here, to claim he was doing it for Nadal is absurd. Fed made the statement that he played Nadal "one too many times on clay." Given that he was already skipping all the Masters that simply wasn't going to happen this time even on the odd chance that they met at the FO.
Is it a possbility? Yes. But it's too remote to give any serious consideration and several pages of discussion and pointless posting to it. If Fed wanted to avoid Nadal he'd have done that in many of his previous meetings. There was no need to wait until they got to 23-14. Fed simply has nothing to gain by playing RG. He wasn't likely to win it in any case and there's a very real chance he would end up messing with his prep for grass in turn.
 

TheMusicLover

G.O.A.T.
What a total mess this thread has become.

There's nothing 'wrong' with Fed skipping RG, even more, it was to be expected.
It has NOTHING whatsoever to do with 'avoiding Nadal', or any other player for this matter, but merely a case of proper scheduling at the age of - bloody - 35 and pushing it to 36.

Fed, at this very moment, tries to prepare to be in proper form for the grass season, and perhaps even beyond that, as there's were his chances lie to - possibly - make a dent again.
NOT at RG.
Anyone with a working brain should be able to figure that out.

It boggles my mind why certain fans of his would rather see him risk injury because of overplaying at his age and his mileage, in stead of wisely scheduling to make his career last even longer than anyone would have ever imagined it to last.

Enough. Why this thread ever made it to 16 pages... :rolleyes:
 
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cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
Right so stop telling others off for "telling it how they see it." Fed made it clear at the end of Miami that he was considering giving clay a complete miss. He might have wanted to still play at RG but given how many people have bounced him off when he was healthy here, to claim he was doing it for Nadal is absurd. Fed made the statement that he played Nadal "one too many times on clay." Given that he was already skipping all the Masters that simply wasn't going to happen this time even on the odd chance that they met at the FO.
Is it a possbility? Yes. But it's too remote to give any serious consideration and several pages of discussion and pointless posting to it. If Fed wanted to avoid Nadal he'd have done that in many of his previous meetings. There was no need to wait until they got to 23-14. Fed simply has nothing to gain by playing RG. He wasn't likely to win it in any case and there's a very real chance he would end up messing with his prep for grass in turn.
I agree with you that Federer had nothing to gain by playing the FO and that there were many other reasons that he decided to skip it. All I said that it is my opinion that had to have given "a thought" to Nadal and his current clay form. It's simply illogical IMO to believe otherwise. If he managed to make it through about 8 other players he could lose to, he in all probability wasn't going to get by this Nadal on clay. So why take the risk and mess up the positive h2h he has going? Let them duke it out at Wimbledon and the USO where Fed has great chances.

Anyways, we will never agree and IMO there's no question that some Fed fans get sensitive at the very mention of a threatening Nadal which says it all really. Thank goodness Fed is more rational than some of his most loyal followers.
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
What a total mess this thread has become.

There's nothing 'wrong' with Fed skipping RG, even more, it was to be expected.
It has NOTHING whatsoever to do with 'avoiding Nadal', or any other player for this matter, but merely a case of proper scheduling at the age of - bloody - 35 and pushing it to 36.

Fed, at this very moment, tries to prepare to be in proper form for the grass season, and perhaps even beyond that, as there's were his chances lie to - possibly - make a dent again.
NOT at RG.
Anyone with a working brain should be able to figure that out.

It boggles my mind why certain fans of his would rather see him risk injury because of overplaying at his age and his mileage, in stead of wisely scheduling to make his career last even longer than anyone would have ever imagined it to last.

Enough. Why this thread ever made it to 16 pages... :rolleyes:
With all due respect you don't know that. All we can do is speculate. I certainly don't think Fed is avoiding Nadal(I've never thought that for one minute in his entire career) and I think the primary concern is his age and health. All I'm saying is that to think he didn't give "a single thought" to Nadal and his current clay form is naive. Rivals think about their main competition whether it's a professional athlete, a corporation, etc.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
With all due respect you don't know that. All we can do is speculate. I certainly don't think Fed is avoiding Nadal(I've never thought that for one minute in his entire career) and I think the primary concern is his age and health. All I'm saying is that to think he didn't give "a single thought" to Nadal and his current clay form is naive. Rivals think about their main competition whether it's a professional athlete, a corporation, etc.
heh. you said you done 6 posts ago.o_O I know it hurts, but time to move on.:D
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
heh. you said you done 6 posts ago.o_O I know it hurts, but time to move on.:D
I know I said that but it annoys me that many Fed fans could be so naive whereas Federer himself obviously isn't. Players always give a thought to their rivals. They don't think or worry much about mugs.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
I know I said that but it annoys me that many Fed fans could be so naive whereas Federer himself obviously isn't. Players always give a thought to their rivals. They don't think or worry much about mugs.
Exactly. Thiem knocked Fed off of clay in Rome last year and out of RG and Fed wised up this year. Simple.;)
 

mandy01

G.O.A.T.
I agree with you that Federer had nothing to gain by playing the FO and that there were many other reasons that he decided to skip it. All I said that it is my opinion that had to have given "a thought" to Nadal and his current clay form. It's simply illogical IMO to believe otherwise. If he managed to make it through about 8 other players he could lose to, he in all probability wasn't going to get by this Nadal on clay. So why take the risk and mess up the positive h2h he has going? Let them duke it out at Wimbledon and the USO where Fed has great chances.

Anyways, we will never agree and IMO there's no question that some Fed fans get sensitive at the very mention of a threatening Nadal which says it all really. Thank goodness Fed is more rational than some of his most loyal followers.
Perhaps you'll see your own hypocrisy one day. You've been fanatically arguing over something which you really have no way of knowing while the rest of us are working more along the lines of probabilities. Like I said, there was no need for Roger to wait till he got to 23-14 to dunk Nadal at Roland Garros. And I'm of the opinion that he SHOULD have done so. Sadly he hasn't.
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
Perhaps you'll see your own hypocrisy one day. You've been fanatically arguing over something which you really have no way of knowing while the rest of us are working more along the lines of probabilities. Like I said, there was no need for Roger to wait till he got to 23-14 to dunk Nadal at Roland Garros. And I'm of the opinion that he SHOULD have done so. Sadly he hasn't.
The rest of you are working along the lines of probabilities, that's a good one! :cool: Your opinion is no more valid than mine and is no more probable than mine.

As for Fed playing RG, there's no need for Fed to duck Nadal as the sole decision not to play RG but there's no need for Fed to resort to probably playing him on a surface he wasn't going to beat him on and when he could screw with the mental edge he has built up against Nadal. Much better to keep the aura and face him where he can do some damage, i.e. W and the USO.

In any case, we disagree but it's no big deal. We both want Federer to do well at Wimbledon and beyond.
 

Feather

Legend
People aren't fanatics for having an opinion different to mine but the difference is that I'm a Federer fan, not a Federer "fanatic" and many of those Federer fans having an opinion about this topic are Federer fanatics who pi$$ their pants every time Nadal's name is mentioned. I tell it how I see it.

Federer made a statement recently that his FO losses to Nadal in the past scarred him and impacted his results at the non-clay slams vs Nadal. Of course Federer didn't want to risk injury to his body by grinding on clay and yes there were probably other players he could have lost to at the FO but it seems unrealistic that Nadal in his current clay form wouldn't enter in at all on Federer's decision whether to play FO.

I'm done on this topic. I've stated my personal opinion and in the end we don't get to see Federer play at the FO. The reasons are irrelevant and I think his decision not to play the FO is a smart one.
You can't call others fanatic for having a different opinion to yours, sorry to tell you that.

You are also speculating like how we are doing. You think it has got to do this with Rafa, while we think it has not got to do with Rafa. Nobody knows what is correct.

He skipped all clay masters after Miami itself. It's actually a strecth to believe that he will play RG without even playing a single clay masters even if Rafa skipped the whole clay season
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
You can't call others fanatic for having a different opinion to yours, sorry to tell you that.

You are also speculating like how we are doing. You think it has got to do this with Rafa, while we think it has not got to do with Rafa. Nobody knows what is correct.

He skipped all clay masters after Miami itself. It's actually a strecth to believe that he will play RG without even playing a single clay masters even if Rafa skipped the whole clay season
I'm not calling others fanatical for having a different opinion than mine. Certain posters are Fed fanatics no matter what the subject matter is especially if Nadal's name is attached in any way.

We're all speculating and my speculation is that there are many reasons that Fed skipped RG, most important of those reasons are due to his health and his ability to assess that he has much better chances at Wimbledon than he does at RG. The only point I differ on slightly than many Fed fans do is that I think Nadal (his biggest career rival and a guy who spanked him at RG countless times) had to have at least entered his thought process.
 

sbengte

G.O.A.T.
Perhaps you'll see your own hypocrisy one day. You've been fanatically arguing over something which you really have no way of knowing while the rest of us are working more along the lines of probabilities. Like I said, there was no need for Roger to wait till he got to 23-14 to dunk Nadal at Roland Garros. And I'm of the opinion that he SHOULD have done so. Sadly he hasn't.
2013 was a good year if any for Fed to avoid Nadal because he was in a very bad shape with the back injury. But no, he actually killed himself for a win in the rounds prior to meeting Nadal , like the complete idiot that he is. And lost to Nadal what ,5 times that year ? Just think in comparison how many times Nadal made it to Fed when injured or out of form.
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
I figure this is as good a place as any to put this. So about that race for the #1 spot. Does anybody still think Federer has no chance now just because he's skipping RG, given recent events and all?
 

Logic

Semi-Pro
I figure this is as good a place as any to put this. So about that race for the #1 spot. Does anybody still think Federer has no chance now just because he's skipping RG, given recent events and all?
I don't think many people ever thought that Federer had "no chance" in the race, but some (including myself) had Nadal as the firm favourite for the time being. Even with today's result, I still have Rafa as the favourite to finish #1 on account of the fact that he is odds-on to win RG, which would put him about 3000 points ahead in the race. In past years this lead might not have been so tough to overcome, but given Rafa's form from the AO to Miami this year, I can see him to doing quite well in the US hard court swing and possibly even Wimbledon, which would mean that Roger would have to win a lot post-RG to claw back the deficit. In any case, it's hard to predict for certain. I'd love to be wrong and see Roger get a sixth YE#1 to tie Pete, but for now I'm cautious.
 
I figure this is as good a place as any to put this. So about that race for the #1 spot. Does anybody still think Federer has no chance now just because he's skipping RG, given recent events and all?
Don't think any reasonable prediction can be made until after Wimbledon. Nadal's RG result & Federer's grass results will play a key role.
 

Tennisanity

Legend
Are you a bipolar idiot? In the same thread you defend your right to have an opinion about Federer's considerations, you call people fanatics and "further gone" for having a different opinion. And this isn't the first time you've acted this way. If people are fanatics for having a different opinion to yours (for perfectly valid reasons, no less), you're an idiot for pretending to be privy to Federer's thoughts.
Very well said. Some people are completely self-unaware.
 

fed_is_GOD

Professional
why is everyone assuming that federer is not playing because he is old, might injure himself or get tired playing RG..

the real reason why I think he is not playing is because you cannot take the ball on rise on clay.. which he has been doing all year.. it will only upset his rhythm for grass and hard courts.. he is in a autopilot attack mode tennis right now.. why ruin it playing clay..
 

Pagoo

G.O.A.T.
I figure this is as good a place as any to put this. So about that race for the #1 spot. Does anybody still think Federer has no chance now just because he's skipping RG, given recent events and all?
Federer doesn't seem to care about the number one ranking. It looks like Djokovic is returning to form and that will definitely make things harder. Federer has to win a number of big titles including at least one major to pull this off. I'm not sure he's going to play enough to do that.

But then again, if he wins most of the tournaments he plays, then he's got a slim chance. My guess is 10-20% chance.
 

xFedal

Legend
Thiem can whip Nadal azz on clay why can't fed lol
Thiem is young and has a lot of firepower right now and Nadal had an off night... Federer wouldn't be favored against Nadal at all. In fact Nadal would forget all his worries once he sees Fed on Clay, unless he just played a 5 hour Semi;)
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
Federer doesn't seem to care about the number one ranking. It looks like Djokovic is returning to form and that will definitely make things harder. Federer has to win a number of big titles including at least one major to pull this off. I'm not sure he's going to play enough to do that.

But then again, if he wins most of the tournaments he plays, then he's got a slim chance. My guess is 10-20% chance.
I think you're right about Federer not really caring much, but the ranking will come if the results are good enough. It is early to be talking about it no doubt, but I've never felt the race was over just because Federer is skipping RG. Nadal winning it would be the worst case scenario for Federer in this regard and I think many people (even myself) were operating under that assumption. But now that Nadal hasn't won Rome (and won't just be handed the trophy at the French Open either) it kind of puts into perspective that the #1 ranking going to Nadal is not a foregone conclusion just because Federer is skipping RG.
 
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