Federer withdraws from RG

Federer and Del Potro

Talk Tennis Guru
For himself, probably a great move. For the tournament and the sport, seems like a pretty bad move. Hard to believe he's not getting any flak from the commentators. I mean, I get that he had no chance to win, but at the very least he could have orchestrated a tight loss in the previous round... Pretty selfish, and disappointing, but not a surprise in the end, I guess.
How is “orchestrating” a tight loss any different than match fixing? :unsure:

Makes no sense if you’re taking the moral high ground angle here to then offer up an even more controversial “solution”.
 

TennisFan3

Talk Tennis Guru
If Rafa and Novak are nearing the end of their careers, they should be given special treatment too.
They won't. Trust me.
Pete was put on outside courts in 2002 WImbledon.
He was the king of Wimbledon. Why did he NOT get preferential treatment.

We are LITERALLY complaining about Fed being on center court in the night.
 

GhostOfNKDM

Hall of Fame
Yes. Exactly my point.
If Fed had an actual injury - I would support him 100%.
Novak injured his shoulder in a GS, Nadal injured his wrist, knees, back, stomatch etc etc.
All that makes sense. Fed says his knee pains, I would not complain at all.

But you're not injured. You are just NOT playing because you want to play in grass.
I mean - maybe just play the R4 - at 80%. That is better than withdrawing without a legit injury.

Worse - it is so bad for Koepfer. Can you imagine how he feels?

Ok I'll make it easy of you. His groin hurts. Now support him 100%

Because this injury is as real as Novak's muscle tear from the AO.

And I don't give a **** about Koepfler. He didn't earn the win, he doesn't get the chance.

Let's say you agree to bet a $100 with me on something and lose it. Now I turn around and give it to a beggar, that's my choice. I won the $100 fair and square. If you complain "hey, I could've used that money if you were just going to give it away", then you're a fool for betting it in the first place.
 

AceSalvo

Legend
Have to disagree here. So its okay to just stop competing altogether and then just deliver the match on a platter (read tank)...in my perspective fighting for the win is greater than graciously tanking a match for the benefit of the opponent...

How is “orchestrating” a tight loss any different than match fixing? :unsure:

If Fedr steps on the court, the man is there to win it. Had he played R4, he would have had to give it his all and then some injury. Haters would be smiling at the injury.

R4 is a lose lose situation for Fedr as far as RG and haters are concerned.
 

ghostofMecir

Hall of Fame
the way some people would much rather have athletes dying on the court so they can go ahead and write about 5 hour warrior tennis is insane to me

The people here are mad for one reason and one reason only: they wanted to see him lose and won’t get that now. A good portion of Nadal and Djokovic fans started off as Federer haters who began liking one or both of these two since they could beat Federer.
 

icedevil0289

G.O.A.T.
The people here are mad for one reason and one reason only: they wanted to see him lose and won’t get that now. A portion of Nadal and Djokovic fans started off as Federer haters who began liking one or both of these two since they could beat Federer.

perhaps this dramatic but i really think some people would gleefully enjoy the idea of fed wrecking his knee on court
 

fedfan08

Professional
I agree with you. Tanking is bad. But I generally just didn't like his thing of constantly downplaying his chances and talking more about WImbledon in the French Open.
And then just as we were excited with his win and dreaming about a Djokovic QF - he just withdraws saying he wants to play Halle and do well in wimbledon.
Fed has no obligation to give people a ‘dream’ match. He came to RG because there’s nowhere else to get 5 set match practice. Quiet honestly I’d rather have him be honest and take the grief for it than lie about an injury.
 

TennisFan3

Talk Tennis Guru
Look - I really respect Fed and all his accomplishments. I admire his immense talent even though he's never been my favorite player. I cheered for him vs Koepfer as well.

That being said, if Fed's withdrawing just to get rest for Grass - he should have at least played the R4. One more match would NOT have killed his Wimbledon chances.

The constant references to Halle and Wimbledon in EVERY SINGLE press conference and basically saying he doesn't care about RG did not go well IMO. What kind of message does it send to younger players?

Fed is the BIGGEST SUPERSTAR tennis has ever known. When he gives a half effort in a slam and focuses on the next tournament, it's bad for the French Open, bad for fans and bad for tennis.
This is a grand slam. Not a 250 event. You play unless you are really injured.

I wish the very best to Fed for Wimbledon. But if he gets unlucky there, he might look back at this moment and wonder about Karma..
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
You guys saying he's disrespecting a slam by treating it as practice do realize that he played in Geneva (and Doha) earlier this year right? And if he won more matches in Geneva he would've gotten more practice. It's not like RG was his first tournament back. It's just the first one where's he's strung 3 wins together. Honest to god, the mental gymnastics on display here by some of you is unreal. Not surprising, but unbelievable just the same. The convoluted lines of logic that you need just to find the smallest things to criticize is exceptional.
 

bluetrain4

G.O.A.T.
I can't believe people think Koepfer has been wronged in any way and am perplexed why anyone cares. Players withdraw all the time. No player counts of advancing based on a withdrawal. He had a direct, clear path to advancing and he didn't take it.
 

betteroffdead

New User
I don't understand why he was in the draw in the first place.
He entered Roland Garros only to get high quality/competitive matches under his belt; he and his team made that crystal clear to everyone. I'm not really surprised by the withdrawal; there's not enough time between the French Open and the Halle grass tournament, which starts in 8 days.
 

TennisFan3

Talk Tennis Guru
The convoluted lines of logic that you need just to find the smallest things to criticize is exceptional.
Convoluted lines of logic? Really?
He is not injured, he used RG for match practice. He constantly talked about Wimbledon/Halle in RG.
It's simple - this is a slam not a mickey mouse tournament. If you have a legit injury, you withdraw.
If you are tired or want to concentrate on the next tournament, you play and lose. Not withdraw.
 

tudwell

G.O.A.T.
Dude, these guys risk injury every time they step on court. This is not new to them AT ALL. All of them have aches, pains, get sick, drawbacks, bad days. This is in all sports. Any decent athlete (especially a champion) puts in the work, prepares the best they can, and gives it their all. Win or lose. You let the chips fall where they may. But you go out there and compete. You do it for the sport, you do it for the fans, you do it for your opponents... and you do it for yourself... because you are a competitor.



Because you give your all until you can't give anymore. That is what elite competitors do. All the time. Every day. That is why they are elite competitors. These are gladiators. You GIVE IT ALL.

My god, have we actually come to a point where we think its okay in professional sports for a player to not participate because they think they might get injured? Or to just pick their spots and tank the rest??? I mean... what.the.actual.f***??? People on here (rightly) throw Kyrgios to the wolves for tanking a match because he just didn't feel like playing. Federer tanks not one but TWO tournaments... and somehow he is being smart and this is the right thing to do?

I've always known Fed fanboys were generally very myopic, but this is to a totally new level. Good god, not only are you not calling Federer out for this... you are praising him as being smart. Just gross.
Fed’s played through injury more than anyone else out there. He’s literally never retired in a match. He’s almost 40 and he’s just getting back to match play after recovering from two knee surgeries. These were his first best-of-five matches in over a year. He had a grueling physical encounter and his body is saying it can’t take anymore. I really don’t get how there’s anything wrong with that. All the top guys – all the Big 3 – have pulled out of tournaments if they weren’t feeling 100% physically. It’s a total non-issue. It happens all the time.
 

Druss

Hall of Fame
Really in two minds about this: he genuinely does have a injury possibility , his career might be on line if any injury occurs.

But this is highly disrespectful to Berretini and RG.

Not sure what to really feel
What would you rather, he play vs Berrettini and most likely ruin his knee because of it, and kiss goodbye to Wimbledon and the rest of the season (and most likely the rest of what is left of his career), just to make Clayqueen, Weakera et al happy...or do the wise thing and withdraw?
 

urban

Legend
Tom Gorman retired once, when he felt a serious injury, in a Masters Semi 1972 against Stan Smith at mp, to let the uninjured player reach the final against Nastase. John Newcombe did the same, when he injured his leg, against Tom Okker at the Masters 1974 two points away from victory. Gottfried von Cramm injured hmself seriously early in a Wim final against Fred Perry, nevertheless he played through and afterwards apologized for his poor performance.
 
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TennisFan3

Talk Tennis Guru
"Federer tanking the match vs Koepfer is more respectful of the game than withdrawing"
-TTW
I never said he should tank vs Koepfer.
He should play the R4 if he is NOT injured.
If he is tired, lose in straights.
Do you really think one more match will change his Wimbledon chances?
 

Omega_7000

Legend
You guys saying he's disrespecting a slam by treating it as practice do realize that he played in Geneva (and Doha) earlier this year right? And if he won more matches in Geneva he would've gotten more practice. It's not like RG was his first tournament back. It's just the first one where's he's strung 3 wins together. Honest to god, the mental gymnastics on display here by some of you is unreal. Not surprising, but unbelievable just the same. The convoluted lines of logic that you need just to find the smallest things to criticize is exceptional.

Absolutely asinine logic by folks criticizing Fed...
 
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BHold81

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I respect Fed, and like him a lot. Normally I'd totally understand the move, but he made it clear from the beginning that this whole tournament was just to prep for Wimbledon. I know that's his only realistic shot at another major, but it's a really lame move in my opinion. I think he knew the whole time he wasn't going to finish the tournament unfortunately. The French Open deserves more respect than that. There are plenty of other tournaments he could've used for that. Very disappointing.
 

TennisFan3

Talk Tennis Guru
I wasn't referring to you, but some posters did say that.
Thanks. Fed is well within his rights to do whatever he wants.
I would rather he played R4 and lost than just withdraw. Or at least say his knee was hurting or he had an injury.
It is what it is though. Wish him the best for Wimbledon..
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
Absolutely asinine logic by folks criticizing Fed...

Yeah, and everyone was happy to see him back. Even some of his worst haters here admitted how happy they were that he was back at RG, but as soon as puts one foot wrong (which he really didn't) it's like nothing changed. The man doesn't get a break. It's ridiculous tbh.
 

fedfan08

Professional
I would disagree with this with all due respect to you. Fed immediately said in his presser few minutes after the match that he doesn't know if he will play R4. You never say that unless you know for sure.

Fed HAD to know during the match. Are you saying Fed decided he would NOT play within the 10 minutes after the match finished and the press conference started?
OK if Fed knew during the match he was going to withdraw what was the point of winning the match? I guess because he’s never retired during a match before and thinks once he steps out on court he has an obligation to finish the match? Fed’s opponent could have won that match. Fed wasn’t tanking but his game was definitely off.
 
Convoluted lines of logic? Really?
He is not injured, he used RG for match practice. He constantly talked about Wimbledon/Halle in RG.
It's simple - this is a slam not a mickey mouse tournament. If you have a legit injury, you withdraw.
If you are tired or want to concentrate on the next tournament, you play and lose. Not withdraw.
What do you do when you're and a medical team are concerned that not withdrawing will result in an injury?
 

fedfan08

Professional
Yes. Exactly my point.
If Fed had an actual injury - I would support him 100%.
Novak injured his shoulder in a GS, Nadal injured his wrist, knees, back, stomatch etc etc.
All that makes sense. Fed says his knee pains, I would not complain at all.

But you're not injured. You are just NOT playing because you want to play in grass.
I mean - maybe just play the R4 - at 80%. That is better than withdrawing without a legit injury.

Worse - it is so bad for Koepfer. Can you imagine how he feels?
That’s assuming every time Nadal had an injury he really was injured. There were a few times where I think it was questionable how injured he really was.
 

Arak

Legend
Very likely
Though also worth mentioning that there are quite a few Djoko fans here who have supported his decision too
I’m quite surprised with many Djokovic fans showing support and feel very grateful to them. However I’m not able to understand why Nadal fans are reacting so strongly about it.
 

Fed881981

Hall of Fame
Clay court “tennis” is not real tennis. Fed is waiting for the real tennis at Wimbledon.

Seriously now, it’s was nice seeing him in action, but every minute of watching this horrible “game” was suffering. I’m happy that it’s over.
 

TennisFan3

Talk Tennis Guru
What do you do when you're and a medical team are concerned that not withdrawing will result in an injury?
I agree with that. If he said, he feels that his knee injury might be worse next match. Or he had medical advice that he should NOT play more. He should say that categorically.

How bad will it look if he is practicing on grass this week?
Remember when Nadal withdrew from Wimbledon in 2009 after the loss at French Open to Soderling. People were screaming there was no knee injury.
 

fedfan08

Professional
The people here are mad for one reason and one reason only: they wanted to see him lose and won’t get that now. A good portion of Nadal and Djokovic fans started off as Federer haters who began liking one or both of these two since they could beat Federer.
They’re mad because they don’t get their ‘dream’ match where Djokovic gets to beat him.
 
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