Federer without Annacone at Cincinnati Masters

Good or bad move?

  • Yes: Federer does not need a coach he is to awesome

    Votes: 10 25.0%

  • NO: Federer is stuborn and needs a coach and needs to accept it

    Votes: 30 75.0%
  • Total voters
    40
I think Annacone was a bad choice for Federer. Why hire a serve and volleyer to teach you how to have an aggressive baseline game?
 
Nothing. It was reported right from the start that Annacone still has duties to do for the LTA. He has one this week.

People jumping to conclusions again?
 
TheMusicLover said:
Nothing. It was reported right from the start that Annacone still has duties to do for the LTA. He has one this week.

People jumping to conclusions again?
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I heard the same thing you are saying. Fed will be staying with Annacone probably for a few years (my opinion). He would be a fool not to. Annacone can add even more variety and skills to Feds game.

The more game the better to battle these brainless ball bashers.
 
Sampras and Agassi were once chatting about the respective roles their coaches played. Agassi stated, his coach would scout other players, help him with a game plan, etc. When AA asked Sampras what his coach did for him, Sampras responded by saying, "he makes sure my ball toss is in the right location". (I believe Paul Annacone was his coach at that time)
 
Nadalfan89 said:
I think Annacone was a bad choice for Federer. Why hire a serve and volleyer to teach you how to have an aggressive baseline game?
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You mean the sort of game that has already won him more grand slams than any person in history? Mmmmmm... lemmie think.:-?

Christ some people have astonishing short memories coupled with weapons-grade partisan views.

Hiring a coach is a good thing for him - if even to try something new. Why not? He'd been in a rut, had his first real niggling injury issues for many years and lost to a number of players he has normally been able to beat. I'd think less of Federer if he continued to act as if issues hadn't crept into his game in some I don't need a coach sort of martyrdom.
 
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Edberg said:
You don't seem to know much at all about the game. Just keep worshiping that butt picker you tosser.
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Bobby Jr said:
You mean the sort of game that has already won him more grand slams than any person in history? Mmmmmm... lemmie think.:-?

Christ some people have astonishing short memories coupled with weapons-grade partisan views.

Hiring a coach is a good thing for him - if even to try something new. Why not? He'd been in a rut, had his first real niggling injury issues for many years and lost to a number of players he has normally been able to beat. I'd think less of Federer if he continued to act as if issues hadn't crept into his game in some I don't need a coach sort of martyrdom.
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Why are people so defensive about Federer? :confused:

I know alot of people who don't think Annacone was the right choice for Federer, and they are staunch Fed fans. I myself have no opinion on the matter, I only wonder how long any coaching relationship he engages in now will last.
 
angiebaby said:
Why are people so defensive about Federer? :confused:
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I don't think they are being defensive,,,, more pointing out how stupid some of the comments are from some of the posters.

angiebaby said:
I know alot of people who don't think Annacone was the right choice for Federer, and they are staunch Fed fans. I myself have no opinion on the matter, I only wonder how long any coaching relationship he engages in now will last.
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I sort of feel the same way. I don't see how any coach really helps any top player, other than to be supportive, and possibly offer alternatives in tactics.
 
Edberg said:
You don't seem to know much at all about the game. Just keep worshiping that butt picker you tosser.
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That was a well thought out, intelligent post! I'm sure you have a lot to be proud of in your life.

We saw how well Federer did with his net game against Murray. Serve and volley is dead...move on.
 
angiebaby said:
Why are people so defensive about Federer? :confused:
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Because, I think, this thread was created for the mere reason to start up a discussion again about "Federer not being able to keep up with a coach", insinuating that the collaboration with Annacone already ended. Which is pure nonsense, for the reason I posted above...

My question is: why do people keep on posting half-informed insinuations about certain players, in stead of just looking up on what is actually going on?
 
Nadalfan89 said:
That was a well thought out, intelligent post! I'm sure you have a lot to be proud of in your life.

We saw how well Federer did with his net game against Murray. Serve and volley is dead...move on.
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You think Annacone can't hit a ball from the baseline??? Or point out to someone a hitch they may have in one of their strokes?? better yet, you think Uncle Toni (playing from the baseline) will beat Annacone in a singles match? Did Uncle Toni ever play on the tour to be a expert at teaching the baseline game, based on his own baseline strokes?

Go learn something.
 
drakulie said:
You think Annacone can't hit a ball from the baseline??? Or point out to someone a hitch they may have in one of their strokes?? better yet, you think Uncle Toni (playing from the baseline) will beat Annacone in a singles match? Did Uncle Toni ever play on the tour to be a expert at teaching the baseline game, based on his own baseline strokes?

Go learn something.
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What the hell does this have to do with Uncle Toni? You ****s always manage to find a way to drag Nadal into everything. I think it may be an obsession.
 
Nadalfan89 said:
I think Annacone was a bad choice for Federer. Why hire a serve and volleyer to teach you how to have an aggressive baseline game?
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because federer's game isnt an aggressive baseliner. back in the day, federer finished points and won most of his points at the net. his new game is just adapted to the slow surfaces.
 
angiebaby said:
Why are people so defensive about Federer? :confused:
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Covered by Drakulie.

angiebaby said:
I know alot of people who don't think Annacone was the right choice for Federer, and they are staunch Fed fans.
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Everyone is an expert - especially club pros.:-?

You could look at it this way: In Federer's tennis career he has made a lot of right choices in his game, training, conditioning, peaking, adding new tricks etc. In fact to a level which earned him more success than anyone in the history of the game by many of the widely accepted measures of greatness. Given that I'd guess there's a pretty good chance that he knows more about what it takes to win at tennis than virtually anyone in the world barring a few of his peers - and definitely most coaches. That said, he has clearly not been firing on all cylinders this year for whatever reason (while some of his peers also stepped up their game) and has decided to test out a coach - a highly accomplished one at that - to iron out some issues or reinvigorate things.

Now, ... what exactly is the issue?

Likewise, what do these people base their thoughts on? A dislike of Sampras or actual coaching merits? And how do we know that Annacone didn't approach Federer with some insight and it struck a positive note with Federer?
 
Edberg said:
I heard the same thing you are saying. Fed will be staying with Annacone probably for a few years (my opinion). He would be a fool not to. Annacone can add even more variety and skills to Feds game.

The more game the better to battle these brainless ball bashers.
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thats what he is though. he's just too cocky and stubborn for his own good.

i really hope he keeps annacone but i wouldnt be surprised if he chooses not to.
 
Nadalfan89 said:
What the hell does this have to do with Uncle Toni? You ****s always manage to find a way to drag Nadal into everything. I think it may be an obsession.
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Simply pointing out to you, that your hero has had a coach his entire life who has never played tennis at the ATP level, and quite frankly, probably can't hit a damn forehand from the baseline you momo.

One doesn't need to have been a great baseliner to coach the baseline game.

Go learn something.
 
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I would have liked it if he would have been able to take Annacone with him. I just hope he will be there at the USO
 
refresher said:
When you're GOAT, is it possible to be too cocky and stubborn?

How many Majors has he won without a coach?
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since after he dumped roche?

well lets see. 2..beacuse he had luthi.

wimby 07
uso 07
uso 08- had that higueras guy for a temp..doesnt count
fo09-had his fallback luthi
wimby09 had luthi
ao10had luthi


thats really it. but to be honest...i gusse we cant count luthi because he didnt realy add anything to federer's game. so yea..he's won 5 majors without a coach.

but lets be serious now. federer needs a good coach. not a severin luthi, but a paul annacone. there was a big difference in federer's style of play in toronto. he's played more agressive tennis, in every match but the final he did not chip many backhand returns. i feel if Anna. and Fed worked on fed's backhand, then Fed would be playing like he did in the A.O if not better.
 
regarding fed's play at toronto, well atleast the zip on his FH was back...he was moving pretty well too ...

I am wondering if annacone told him to be more aggressive ( he meant coming to the net more ) and fed thought of it as being more aggressive from the baseline ? Just kidding !
 
Sometimes, it seems to me Fed is more inhibited when his coach is watching. Look at Murray, he gets rid of his coach and suddenly he's playing 10 times better!
I'm not saying this would be true for every player but some people seem to hit more freely when they're not too closely supervised.
 
FIFTEEN said:
Paul Annacone is not in Cincinnati this week with Roger Federer, with Swiss Davis Cup captain Severin Luthi coaching Federer instead.

Asked earlier in the week how the trial coaching arrangement was going, Federer said Annacone was a "nice guy" who had been able to "tell me good stuff, like I expected."

http://www.tennis.com/articles/templates/news.aspx?articleid=7026&zoneid=25


so what u guys think about this?
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Annacone will probably be at the US Open. Federer mentions below at 10:12, from Cincinnati, that Annacone might be at the US Open.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7PgHP_oLK8
 
AM95 said:
since after he dumped roche?

well lets see. 2..beacuse he had luthi.

wimby 07
uso 07
uso 08- had that higueras guy for a temp..doesnt count
fo09-had his fallback luthi
wimby09 had luthi
ao10had luthi


thats really it. but to be honest...i gusse we cant count luthi because he didnt realy add anything to federer's game. so yea..he's won 5 majors without a coach.

but lets be serious now. federer needs a good coach. not a severin luthi, but a paul annacone. there was a big difference in federer's style of play in toronto. he's played more agressive tennis, in every match but the final he did not chip many backhand returns. i feel if Anna. and Fed worked on fed's backhand, then Fed would be playing like he did in the A.O if not better.
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Don't forget AO 04, Wimb 04, and USO 04.
 
veroniquem said:
Sometimes, it seems to me Fed is more inhibited when his coach is watching. Look at Murray, he gets rid of his coach and suddenly he's playing 10 times better!
I'm not saying this would be true for every player but some people seem to hit more freely when they're not too closely supervised.
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eh, I don't think so ..he played uninhabited with lundgren around from wimby 2003 till 2003 end and roche around ( from AO 2005 to AO 2007 ) ...
 
AM95 said:
thats what he is though. he's just too cocky and stubborn for his own good.

i really hope he keeps annacone but i wouldnt be surprised if he chooses not to.
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I think this is more perception than reality. He's well aware that the press describe him as stubborn, but rejected this idea in Toronto, saying he likes a coach to be involved and critically examine his game.
 
Pah, what does Luthie add?

Extract from a "coaching" session:

Luthie: Rog, at times I think you could kinda step up your practice sessions. You know, less tomfoolery and more intensity, you know, a bit like Na...

Federer: *aborts tweener attempt at very last moment* and how many Majors have you won again?

Luthie: You're right. As you were.
 
refresher said:
Pah, what does Luthie add?

Extract from a "coaching" session:

Luthie: Rog, at times I think you could kinda step up your practice sessions. You know, less tomfoolery and more intensity, you know, a bit like Na...

Federer: *aborts tweener attempt at very last moment* and how many Majors have you won again?

Luthie: You're right. As you were.
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LOL :)

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FIFTEEN said:
Paul Annacone is not in Cincinnati this week with Roger Federer, with Swiss Davis Cup captain Severin Luthi coaching Federer instead.

Asked earlier in the week how the trial coaching arrangement was going, Federer said Annacone was a "nice guy" who had been able to "tell me good stuff, like I expected."

http://www.tennis.com/articles/templates/news.aspx?articleid=7026&zoneid=25


so what u guys think about this?
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According to one journalist.

As it happened, Sunday's final placed Annacone in an awkward position. As a development coach for the Lawn Tennis Association in England, Annacone has worked with Murray in the past. He chose not to sit in Federer's box for the sake of neutrality.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/bruce_jenkins/08/17/federer/
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above bored said:
Not from what I saw, not in the finals. The commentators also mentioned Annacone was not there.
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I saw the match from the start,when Murray and Federer were warming up they show Federer's wife and Annacone ,so for sure he was at beginning of the match ,till when he stay I don't know ,but he was at the beginning.
two days ago I posted this comment in rain break
Originally Posted by Marius_Hancu
Not good news. A coach of Annacone's stature is something else. But having to sit with Mirka doesn't seem a good idea to me. He can't concentrate, needs to be "social."

The FedererS don't know what they want, I think, and I think they don't want to pay too much either. He doesn't seem to really want a coach.
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Who saw them on the start of the match with Murray ,know what you are saying.
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antoaneta71 said:
I saw the match from the start,when Murray and Federer were warming up they show Federer's wife and Annacone ,so for sure he was at beginning of the match ,till when he stay I don't know ,but he was at the beginning.
two days ago I posted this comment in rain break
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I didn't see him, but maybe he was there, not that it matters either way. Personally, I think Annacone is here to stay. A lot of unfounded speculation and guessing goes on amongst fans and journalists, while the pros just go about their lives in a calm and relaxed manner.
 
veroniquem said:
Sometimes, it seems to me Fed is more inhibited when his coach is watching. Look at Murray, he gets rid of his coach and suddenly he's playing 10 times better!
I'm not saying this would be true for every player but some people seem to hit more freely when they're not too closely supervised.
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Fed is rushing the net, S & V, his serve returns are more aggressive. How is that inhibited?

Murray is playing better because he doen't have his old coaches encouraging a defensive game.

Looks like you draw some wacky conclusions.
 
Annacone knows what going on in todays game.

If anything he will throw out some ideas. In that match against Murray it looked like Fed was somewhat confused on a couple shots. If he's going to try new things it'll take some time to know when to use variations, before it comes second nature.
So Fed may have a few problems in the beginning before changes are integrated in his game.
It doesn't matter that much now anyway, Fed is already the king.
 
He needs a coach, though I am not convinced he needs to be coached by a retired serve-volleyer. That seems to be the last part of Fed's game that needs to be improved. Fed should get Agassi to coach him.
 
I think Fed was changing his game to be better on clay. Now that he has won the French he can try to shorten the rallies and try to win a few more GS with a different style (on fast courts)
 
coaches for these guys are overrated. fed had one of his best runs ever with no coach. annacone isn't going to change much, as we saw in Toronto.
 
decades said:
coaches for these guys are overrated. fed had one of his best runs ever with no coach. annacone isn't going to change much, as we saw in Toronto.
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That's a terrible argument. They haven't been working for 2 months yet. And Fed made it to the finals and showed some aggressive play. He improved on his result from last year.
 
Pwned said:
That's a terrible argument. They haven't been working for 2 months yet. And Fed made it to the finals and showed some aggressive play. He improved on his result from last year.
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he's 29. I doubt a coach can tell him much at this stage. his backhand is still a liability. His serve game looks suddenly vulnerable.
 
decades said:
he's 29. I doubt a coach can tell him much at this stage. his backhand is still a liability. His serve game looks suddenly vulnerable.
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And he lost earlier and in Toronto last year. He has played worse than this before and still turned things around by the big tournaments. It's not like he looked great before the AO this year.
 
I think people are forgetting that just because Annacone isn't traveling to Cincy with Fed doesn't mean the coach-player relationship isn't working out. I think Federer said something similar in an interview before the Final last week.
 
drakulie said:
I don't think they are being defensive,,,, more pointing out how stupid some of the comments are from some of the posters.



I sort of feel the same way. I don't see how any coach really helps any top player, other than to be supportive, and possibly offer alternatives in tactics.
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2008 TT mode on:

Maybe he will teach Fed how to hit a double handed BH.

2008 TT mode off.

Vamos!
 
Pwned said:
And he lost earlier and in Toronto last year. He has played worse than this before and still turned things around by the big tournaments. It's not like he looked great before the AO this year.
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by all rights he should have been out in the quarters....
 
I think Annacone improved his game by like...3%, a little and clearly visible in the long run but not enough.

Perhaps a better coach?
 
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