Federer 'won't be destroyed' if Nadal beats his grand slam record
Rafael Nadal has moved within one grand slam title of Roger Federer's all-time record for the first time in their illustrious careers.
Federer 'won't be destroyed' if Nadal beats his grand slam record
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Slybluesam
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He looked pretty destroyed after 40-15. Cincinatti he looked in a state of flux and as soon as he got remotely challenged in anew york (dimitrov was not that good) Federer folded as if he simply didn’t have the stomach for working through points.Federer 'won't be destroyed' if Nadal beats his grand slam record
Rafael Nadal has moved within one grand slam title of Roger Federer's all-time record for the first time in their illustrious careers.www.smh.com.au
Whether his despair is the likelihood of Nadal overtaking him or the fact he is 0-3 v Djokovic in Wimbledon finals I’m unsure.
His body language at Laver Cup will be interesting . Expect to see him over do the pumped upness.
Slybluesam
Banned
Rafa is already GOAT. Tbh he was a long time ago.
Did you know in MajorsFederer is 10-20 v Nadal and Djokovic? Djokovic is 16-15 and Nadal 19-10.
On the above stat alone it’s absurd to even consider Federer as a challenger for GOAT with such a record like that at the biggest events v his two biggest rivals.
ForehandRF
Legend
The same old narrative I've seen for over 10 years.Yeah, and keep ignoring achievements man, which are much more important but no, h2h suits more your arguments.This isn't boxing and Fed, Nadal and Djokovic peaked in different periods.
Did you know that Federer is 20-19-16 in Majors against Nadal and Djokovic?
Please stop bringing forward this H2H nonsense again. If Nadal beats Federer that often at Slams and Federer is still above him in total titles, then Federer must be much better against the rest of the field.
It’s absurd to NOT go by numbers against full fields, but rather against one rival.
And by the way, if Federer cannot be GOAT because of his record against Nadal, why can Nadal be GOAT by beating this in your opinion not so great player?
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
H2H nonsense will be used right up until Djoker catches Rafa, then it is out the window...
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
If RAFA breaks Ol' Rog's record Rogah won't be destroyed.
He'll be 2nd 
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
Wouldn't you be destroyed too at 40-15 in the Wimbledon finals, armchair critic?
Federer folded in USO against Dimitrov. He should've just quit mid-match like those other 2 quitters Novak and Rafa who would rather quit than lose with dignity. LOL
canta_Brian
Hall of Fame
Neither Nadal, Djokovic or Federer ever beat Borg, or Fred Perry. Never beat them, not even once. They can’t be goat
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
Wouldn't you be destroyed too at 40-15 in the Wimbledon finals, armchair critic?
Federer folded in USO against Dimitrov. He should've just quit mid-match like those other 2 quitters Novak and Rafa who would rather quit than lose with dignity. LOL
Nah, he has a record to protect!
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
It's even funnier in that other thread someone made about which tennis player would be the best fighter, and people are putting Rafa and Novak up there. Two guys who are too scared to finish a tennis match where the objective is to hit a ball over a net. And yet somehow these guys would be fighters?? LOL!!!! Especially Novak of all people who fakes a hangnail in a Slam final to buy time. Wimp!Nah, he has a record to protect!
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
He was injured at USO. It´s that simple.
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
¨He won't be completely destroyed if Rafa makes the 20."
So he will be destroyed, just not completely, huh, Luthi?
So he will be destroyed, just not completely, huh, Luthi?
Not really. As long as Rafa still has a commanding lead in the Grand Slam H2H against Djokovic (currently 9-6), I think you'll find that Nadal fans won't be scared of using the H2H argument with Djokovic. Nadal won the biggest ones against him. It easily cancels the current 2 match lead Djokovic has in the overall H2H. Djokovic has no serious advantage in a H2H argument because it's so close overall and Nadal leads in the ones that truly matter. Djokovic would need to overtake Nadal in the Grand Slam H2H to be able to lord it over Nadal.
Federer simply has no such argument. Both the overall H2H and the Grand Slam H2H are lopsided in favor of Nadal.
But nice try anyway.LOL!
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
Rafa.the.Magnificent
G.O.A.T.
Right, you know! I mean Gawd. No way Fed feels or will feel “destroyed.” It’s ridiculous, in my opinion. But most of all, they are all still playing. Let’s see how it all turns out in the end and enjoy it while it’s unfolding. I think Federer is over losing this past Wimbledon. It’s the fans who can’t seem to let go of losses, more than the players.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
And I was right, as it is happening right now... thanks for proving my point.
"So close overall."
"nadal has the biggest ones."
BH40love
Semi-Pro
Djokovic beat your so called GOAT at RG in straight sets.
Umm, you brought it up.
And I gave straight facts. You have to be utterly desperate to compare Nadal's H2H situation with Djokovic to Nadal's with Federer. Nobody is buying it, not even Djokovic fans. Stop embarrasing yourself like this.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Once in 7 attempts, in Nadal's worst season when he was being beaten by everyone. Nadal spanked him the other 6 times. Let's not get carried away (especially when Djoker still went on to lose the French after beating the weakest version of Rafa possible).
I think it's more interesting that Nadal beat the so-called "Hardcourt GOAT" twice in the final of the US Open, when Djokovic was at his best.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
Yes, 6 matches is a huge difference...
AlexanderTheGreat08
Hall of Fame
Djokovic will never catch Nadal , He won't get past 20 majors. And Nadal will win 22+
Yes, 6 matches is a huge difference...
Umm...on the Grand Slam stage, 6 matches is a GIGANTIC difference.
Unless you only started following Tennis last week and are some clueless newbie, I shouldn't even need to have this "debate" with you. It is what it is.
Tenez101
Banned
Djokodal are even in GS finals, which you could say are the biggest matches. Even in semis, RG 13 and W 18 cancel out. But anyways, I agree that the h2h is roughly even as of now. The GOAT debate will come down to slams between Djokodal, and if that's tied then we go to other stats (weeks at no. 1, etc).
Tenez101
Banned
Yep, nobody's buying it. Nadal v. Djokovic and Nadal v. Federer are on completely different planets.
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
You´ve absolutely hot the nail on the head. Just like dictator´s wives are often even worse than the dictator, RF´s sociopathic greedy wifey is possibly far more concerned with the GOAT nonsense than Roger is. I have no clue how that poor man ended up with such an evil witch.
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
And very nearly beat him at AO12 as well...
magdalenapratt
Semi-Pro
Prajnesh is still the sexiest GOAT though.
I agree. If Djokovic and Nadal end up tying in slams, as things look now, I'd give the edge to Djokovic because of other stats. H2H probably won't factor for them as it's so even. But Nadal could still end up doing a career double slam by winning Australia again, which would further complicate things in terms of achievements ,(if Djoker doesn't do the same by winning the French again).
Tenez101
Banned
Nadal is a monster to beat peak Fed at Wimby and AO, and prime Djoker at USO, including nearly beating peak Djoker at AO.
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What's absurd is this "GOAT" obsession on these boards (and to a slightly less extent in the media), comparing guys like Rocket Laver and Borg playing with wood to guys playing with graphite racquets with Luxilon strings. How can you possibly compare across eras? If you're looking at today's players, it's "obvious" that Nadal has had the best career on clay, by far, and Federer has had the best career on grass, and Federer and Djokovic share the best careers on hard courts. They all do different things well and are different ages. There's no such thing as a "GOAT" unless you're referring to a quadruped.
MugOpponent
Hall of Fame
The context is always going to strongly favor Nadal.
Rhino
Legend
People who like Federer the most will say he is GOAT no matter what anyone says or what happens.
People who like Nadal the most will say he is GOAT no matter what anyone says or what happens.
People who like Djokovic the most will say he is GOAT no matter what anyone says or what happens.
People who like Nadal the most will say he is GOAT no matter what anyone says or what happens.
People who like Djokovic the most will say he is GOAT no matter what anyone says or what happens.
BringBackSV
Hall of Fame
Pfffft
Nadal_Django
Legend
Face of a man not destroyed by the recent events.
So an image taken right after a brutal match both physically and mentally is somehow proof that he is "destroyed" months/years after it?
Face of a man not destroyed by the recent events.
heninfan99
Talk Tennis Guru
he actually said "won't be COMPLETELY destroyed" there are levels of destruction.
40-15 haunts us all
40-15 haunts us all
deaner2211
Semi-Pro
Is this why Fed just wont retire?
You sad man
Face of a man not destroyed by the recent events.
Breakpointerer
Legend
Don't try to reason with that troll lol, it's a waste of time.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
This would be true if Nadal had won like 12 Slams only but he is just 1 Slam away with less attempts. Your argument falls flat because when Nadal won his 1st Slam, Federer had already like 5 and when Djokovic won his 1st Federer was at maybe 12. Also Nadal has won half of his GS against Federer and Djokovic and so has Djokovic gainst them, so the rest of the field got already eliminated within these 18 slams that Djokal has won.
If two players have the same amount of Slam victories and one of them happens to beat his rival most of the time, then the rest of the field was never a factor to begin with.
Because your logic doesn't make any sense. Nobody ever said Federer wasn't great. Federer already has GOAT status, whether he will become the 1st GOAT or not doesn't matter anymore. By your logic nobody could ever be the GOAT, even if Federer had won 30 slams and always beat Nadal, because Nadal would have not been so great.. lol
stringertom
Bionic Poster
Roger Jack Fedrsock!
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