Federer's 5 set Record against Top Players

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I think Roger Federer is undoubtedly one of the greatest players ever, and will go down as an absolute legend to be sure. But one area where it has become increasingly clear that he lacks is mental fortitude in tight matches. We all know his 5 set record is not up to the par of all the other greats...

In fact, most of his 5 set wins record I would imagine is comprised against lower opposition in early rounds of slams, like his escapes against Falla, Bennetau, Del Potro etc.

Against really top opposition (say top few in the world, or threats to win slams on that particular surface), he has an unbelievably poor record.

Off the top of my head, I can recall 10 5 set losses that were all rather striking...these date back to when Federer was young and rising as well as his laters, so I don't think you can say "well he's old, a lesser player wouldn't even push the other guy to 5 sets" It's a long time pattern, and while he should be commended for playing so great to force 5th sets now, the fact that he more often than not ends up on the wrong side of them is puzzling, especially when fitness doesn't seem to be an issue. Without further ado...

Safin AO '05 (blows match point on serve in 4th set tiebreak, fights hard to save 6 mp in 5th, but eventually loses)

Nalbandian TMC '05 (loses from 2 sets up)

Nadal Rome '06 (Trying to get elusive 5 set clay win over Nadal before FO to gain momentum...loses after being up 15-40 4-5 with 2 MP on Nadal's serve and then again loses 4 points in a row after being up 5-3 in final set tiebreak)

Wimbledon '08 (fights valiantly to tie it up, holds a BP midway thru 5th set, goes on to lose in "Greatest Match of all Time)

AO ' 09 (loses another 5 setter to Nadal, again off clay, this time folds in the 5th, seeming mentally fragile and gets broken twice in the decider)

USO '09 (loses an odd 5 setter to Del Potro, seemingly outplaying him and in control, and then again buckles in the 5th, again losing by a double break in the decider)

USO' 10 (loses to Djokovic, Djokovic saves 2 MP on serve, Federer gets mentally frustrated and gets broken the next game)

USO '11 (Eery repeat of last year, except this one is worse...up 2 sets to love...up 5-3 40-15 in the 5th...Djokovic hits epic forehand, but Fed then mentally folds, double faults in this game...then gets broken at 15 in his next service game and again loses 7-5 in the 5th vs. Djokovic)

AO '13 (Folds in the 5th against Murray, he is well over 30 at this point, but still issues do not seem fitness related, this one is more understandable as he was slightly outplayed the whole match, yet again plays great at the end of the 4th, and then oddly folds in the 5th, again losing by a double break)

Wimby '14 (Almost 33, but yet is on his best surface and Djokovic's supposed worse, still plays fantastic, especially for age and pushes Djoko to the brink, but again blinks in the 5th after coming back from 5-2 in the 4th and seemingly having the momentum. Much like Wimby '08, Federer can't convert a BP midway thru the 5th)

Just imagine if Federer has converted a few of these. I really think he is mentally weaker than most of the other GOAT candidates when it comes to tight matches and pressure situations.
 
125downthemiddle said:
This thread is not about that. You are making yourself look bad.
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When Federer wins, he wins comfortably in 3 or 4.

When Federer loses, he gives a monster fight and loses in 5.

But please, keep trying to spin this as a negative! Too bad Federer doesn't have the juice to be fresh as a daisy in the 5th :lol:
 
Mayonnaise said:
When Federer wins, he wins comfortably in 3 or 4.

When Federer loses, he gives a monster fight and loses in 5.

But please, keep trying to spin this as a negative! Too bad Federer doesn't have the juice to be fresh as a daisy in the 5th :lol:
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He has a poor 5 set record. It is a negative. Just like his 10-23 record against Nadal is a negative. And just like this, you tried to spin that into a positive too.
 
Mayonnaise said:
What is Federer's record at Slam titles in comparison to the top players?

17 > 14 > 7 > 2 > 1 > 0 :)
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I assume the "1" is for Del Potro or Wawrinka, neither of whom are GOAT candidates. And the "7" is Djokovic, who is not yet a GOAT candidate. So you really didn't do anything to refute the OP's assertion that Federer is the "mentally weakest" of GOAT candidates.
 
Mayonnaise said:
A loss is a loss. Losing in the 5th is better than losing in the 3rd or 4th, wouldn't you agree?
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Again, it is obvious you would not concede the point even if you realized you were wrong, and you are only here to fight and troll as evidenced by your first irrelevant, and annoying post in this thread.

They are two separate things, the argument you are using is similar to the Federer's h2h vs Nadal doesn't matter (or is even a positive!) one, since "Wouldn't it have been worse if Federer lost earlier on in the tournament... but then he wouldn't have the poor H2H, shows how meaningless H2H is!" lame argument toted here.

Fact is every player is going to play their share of 5 set matches, just like every player is going to have a sizeable H2H with their main rival (especially at the top of the game) What transpired in those matches means something, and tells us something about the player(s). If you can't see that, and can only argue hypotheticals in a fallacious logical attempt to discredit the obvious importance of these metrics, then you are more hopeless than even previously imagined.
 
125downthemiddle said:
AO '13 (Folds in the 5th against Murray, he is well over 30 at this point, but still issues do not seem fitness related, this one is more understandable as he was slightly outplayed the whole match, yet again plays great at the end of the 4th, and then oddly folds in the 5th, again losing by a double break)

Wimby '14 (Almost 33, but yet is on his best surface and Djokovic's supposed worse, still plays fantastic, especially for age and pushes Djoko to the brink, but again blinks in the 5th after coming back from 5-2 in the 4th and seemingly having the momentum. Much like Wimby '08, Federer can't convert a BP midway thru the 5th)
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Federer had no chances to win these matches, it was Murray's and Djokovic's fault that they let it go to 5th set.
 
125downthemiddle said:
Again, it is obvious you would not concede the point even if you realized you were wrong, and you are only here to fight and troll as evidenced by your first irrelevant, and annoying post in this thread.

They are two separate things, the argument you are using is similar to the Federer's h2h vs Nadal doesn't matter (or is even a positive!) one, since "Wouldn't it have been worse if Federer lost earlier on in the tournament... but then he wouldn't have the poor H2H, shows how meaningless H2H is!" lame argument toted here.

Fact is every player is going to play their share of 5 set matches, just like every player is going to have a sizeable H2H with their main rival (especially at the top of the game) What transpired in those matches means something, and tells us something about the player(s). If you can't see that, and can only argue hypotheticals in a fallacious logical attempt to discredit the obvious importance of these metrics, then you are more hopeless than even previously imagined.
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I think this thread is your way of getting over how bitter and resentful you are of Federer's success, the pathetic troll and hater that you are :lol:

Fact is, 17 > 14, and that's how greatness in Tennis is measured in this era where Slams trump everything.

But maybe you just prefer losing to Rosol and Darcis instead of losing to Nadal and Djokovic in the 5th of a final :lol:
 
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Mayonnaise said:
I think this thread is your way of getting over how bitter and resentful you are of Federer's success, the pathetic troll and hater that you are

Fact is, 17 > 14, and that's how greatness in Tennis is measured in this era where Slams trump everything.

But maybe you just prefer losing Rosol and Darcis instead of losing to Nadal and Djokovic in the 5th of a final :lol:
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:lol::lol:
 
Mayonnaise said:
I think this thread is your way of getting over how bitter and resentful you are of Federer's success, the pathetic troll and hater that you are :lol:

Fact is, 17 > 14, and that's how greatness in Tennis is measured in this era where Slams trump everything.

But maybe you just prefer losing to Rosol and Darcis instead of losing to Nadal and Djokovic in the 5th of a final :lol:
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But my thread is nothing about that, and I never spoke about greatness or who is the GOAT. So, YOU are the troll, you can't stick to the topic on hand and are making undue inferences.

Can't handle anything that is not super complimentary of Federer and just respond with slam count.

What a joke you are, my dimwitted, illogical, childish Federer sycophant

:lol: :lol:
 
125downthemiddle said:
But my thread is nothing about that, and I never spoke about greatness or who is the GOAT. So, YOU are the troll, you can't stick to the topic on hand and are making undue inferences.

Can't handle anything that is not super complimentary of Federer and just respond with slam count.

What a joke you are, my dimwitted, illogical, childish Federer sycophant

:lol: :lol:
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Mayonnaise is the GOAT at switching topics:lol::lol:
 
125downthemiddle said:
But my thread is nothing about that, and I never spoke about greatness or who is the GOAT. So, YOU are the troll, you can't stick to the topic on hand and are making undue inferences.

Can't handle anything that is not super complimentary of Federer and just respond with slam count.

What a joke you are, my dimwitted, illogical, childish Federer sycophant

:lol: :lol:
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What is your topic about? It's about you trolling and showing your resentment, that's it. Here is proof:

1. You dismiss Federer's win against Del Potro at the 2009 FO, and then mention his loss at the 2009 US Open.

2. You mention Federer's loss to Nadal at the 2008 Wimbledon but don't mention his 2007 win.

Double-standard? Or are you just picking matches that suit your silly argument? :lol:

At least Federer didn't mentally collapse against a #100 in the 5th set of a 2nd round match at the biggest tournament in Tennis :lol:
 
Mayonnaise said:
What is your topic about? It's about you trolling and showing your resentment, that's it. Here is proof:

1. You dismiss Federer's win against Del Potro at the 2009 FO, and then mention his loss at the 2009 US Open.

2. You mention Federer's loss to Nadal at the 2008 Wimbledon but don't mention his 2007 win.

Double-standard? Or are you just picking matches that suit your silly argument? :lol:

At least Federer didn't mentally collapse against a #100 in the 5th set of a 2nd round match at the biggest tournament in Tennis :lol:
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I'm trolling and showing resentment? You just made a thread about Nadal's "embarrassing" records that was a lot less objective sounding than this thread. Are you brain dead, chief?

I didn't dismiss anything, I said I am off the top of my head listing close 5 set matches Federer lost. I would have welcomed a civil discussion. Of course, he has wone tight 5 setters too...it is about 2-10 or 3-10. That's pretty shocking, considering how great Federer is.

If you said something like "yeah Federer is one of if not the greatest, but he does struggle in 5 setters, here's why..." we may have had a civil discussion. Instead you freaked out like a little child. In other threads where people point things out negatively about Nadal or Djokovic that I disagree with or thinks merits discussion...I respond with facts and have a discussion. (Except your last Nadal thread where I called you out, because that was clearly a lame attempt to flip scipt on me)

Is any thread that doesn't praise Federer to high heavens automatically a troll thread to you worthy of childish changes of subject and derision? What a pathetic mind you have, friend. Please tell me you aren't in any position to make a difference in this world or educate children!

:lol::lol:
 
125downthemiddle said:
I'm trolling and showing resentment? You just made a thread about Nadal's "embarrassing" records that was a lot less objective sounding than this thread. Are you brain dead, chief?

I didn't dismiss anything, I said I am off the top of my head listing close 5 set matches Federer lost. I would have welcomed a civil discussion. Of course, he has wone tight 5 setters too...it is about 2-10 or 3-10. That's pretty shocking, considering how great Federer is.

If you said something like "yeah Federer is one of if not the greatest, but he does struggle in 5 setters, here's why..." we may have had a civil discussion. Instead you freaked out like a little child. In other threads where people point things out negatively about Nadal or Djokovic that I disagree with or thinks merits discussion...I respond with facts and have a discussion. (Except your last Nadal thread where I called you out, because that was clearly a lame attempt to flip scipt on me)

Is any thread that doesn't praise Federer to high heavens automatically a troll thread to you worthy of childish changes of subject and derision? What a pathetic mind you have, friend. Please tell me you aren't in any position to make a difference in this world or educate children!
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How predictable!

You didn't address why you conveniently ignored his wins against Nadal and Del Potro :lol:

And don't tell me you forgot about them.

You are a troll, and you were trolling, by not painting the full picture and only showing what you wanted people to see :)

Don't deny it ;)
 
I looked at this a few weeks ago as well - http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?p=8553493#post8553493

Here's the original post below - basically, Fed does have fifth set weaknesses definitely - which hurts him compared to Pete/Nadal/Borg somewhat - but if you dig deeper you have to acknowledge that he rarely let guys get to the fifth set during his 2003-10 prime, and he has to be credited for forcing fifth sets on a few famous occasions as well.

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If you could get Fed into a fifth set, he could get himself into trouble. But that's just a starting point. The question to ask is who out there had it in them among the top guys to take prime Federer (2003 - 2010) to a fifth set, and where - as well as asking whether Fed or his opponent forced a fifth set.

I'm excluding the pre top-10 Berdych/Tipsy matches and the Andreev and Falla 5-setters from consideration, since it was an accomplishment for those guys to even hit a fifth set with Fed during this era. Full credit to Roger for beating them when his level wasn't all the way there, however.

The answers are:

2003

Nalbandian on hard, AO 2003 (Nalbandian wins, Fed forces fifth set)

Hewitt on hard, DC 2003 (Hewitt wins, Hewitt forces fifth set)

Analysis: No shame in the pre-major winning Nalbandian loss - DN was ahead of Fed at this point anyway, solid for forcing a fifth set. Should've and could've closed out Hewitt in DC, though we're talking about a former number 1 who'd had Fed's number early in their careers.

2004

Agassi on hard, US Open 2004 (Fed wins, Agassi forces fifth set)

Analysis: Some similarities to this past Sunday - aging great puts up valiant battle against another great in his prime who maybe should've wrapped up the match sooner, including several chances to break in the 4th set.

2005

Safin on hard, AO 2005 (Safin wins, Safin forces fifth set)

Nadal on hard, Miami 2005 (Fed wins, Fed forces fifth set)

Nalbandian on indoor hard, YEC 2005 (Nalbandian wins, Nalbandian forces fifth set)

Analysis: Three famous matches - no shame in the loss to zoning Nalbandian, already signs of struggles against teenaged Nadal, and some tactical questions in the latter stages of the Safin match.

2006

Haas on hard, AO 2006 (Fed wins, Haas forces fifth set)

Nadal on clay, Rome 2006 (Nadal wins, Fed forces fifth set)

Analysis: No shame in the Rome loss - great effort, maybe one of the highest quality/level matches of the decade. More heartbreak for Haas.

2007

Nadal on grass, SW19 2007 (Fed wins, Nadal forces fifth set)

Analysis: Credit for righting the ship early in the fifth, though a slightly less green Nadal would've been through.

2008

Nadal on grass, SW19 2008 (Nadal wins, Fed forces fifth set)

Analysis: Credit for forcing that epic fifth set at SW19 - maybe a peak moment, mentally - really made Nadal earn that title.

2009

Nadal on hard, AO 2009 (Nadal wins, Fed forces fifth set)

Haas on clay, RG 2009 (Fed wins, Fed forces fifth set)

Del Potro on clay, RG 2009 (Fed wins, Fed forces fifth set)

Roddick on grass, SW19 2009 (Fed wins, Roddick forces fifth set)

Del Potro on hard, US Open 2009 (Del Potro wins, Del Potro forces fifth set)

Analysis: Really went away in the fifth set against Nadal/Delpo at the HC majors. Roddick match was in some ways a choke-job by Andy, who let Fed back into the match on a few occasions. Credit for slipping past Haas and a green DelPo on clay.

2010

Djokovic on hard, US Open 2010 (Novak wins, Novak forces fifth set)

Analysis: Very up-and-down play from Fed throughout. Held MPs on Novak's serve in the fifth, couldn't close the deal.

Overall thoughts:

7-9 record overall in the above matches (and that's including his victories at 2009 RG against usual suspect Haas and young Del Potro on a less-favored surface). 3-4 when he forces the fifth set; 4-5 when the other guy did.

Seems like Fed's poor fifth set reputation largely stems from a handful of matches in his twenties where he was up 2 sets to 1 on favorite surfaces and let the other guy back in - Hewitt 2003; Safin/Nalby 2005; Del Potro 2009; Novak 2010 (I don't hold 2011 5 setters to Tsonga and Novak against Fed because he was roughly 30 and that's just unfair).

There's also the feeling that he just went away mentally at Melbourne 2009, though you have to credit Nadal as much as blame Roger in that one.

All that said, you have to credit him for matches such as Rome 2006, SW19 2008, and US Open 2004 (when the crowd was mucho behind Agassi and Fed had never won the event). Some credit too for holding off Roddick in 2009 and green Nadal in 2005 and 2007.

To me, if a guy's weakness is a fifth set, and he rarely ever lets guys get there, that's obviously an all-time great compared to the field. It's in comparisons to guys like Nadal (who's won fifth sets against Roger on all surfaces) and hypothetical matchups with mentally tough legends like prime Sampras and Borg where Fed's fifth set problems become relevant, since there's some expectation that many such matches against fellow greats would go the distance.

Gotta give Fed some credit for the 2001 Sampras match, of course - particularly after Pete toughed out the 4th set. Somewhat surprising how inconsistent he was in fifth sets in the years after this justly celebrated victory. Still, Pete turned 30 in 2001, and I've excluded Fed's fifth set failures against Tsonga and Djokovic in 2011 on the same grounds.
 
When you point your finger at someone

125downthemiddle said:
But my thread is nothing about that, and I never spoke about greatness or who is the GOAT. So, YOU are the troll, you can't stick to the topic on hand and are making undue inferences.

Can't handle anything that is not super complimentary of Federer and just respond with slam count.

What a joke you are, my dimwitted, illogical, childish Federer sycophant

:lol: :lol:
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It is one at them and three back at you. As the Buddhist saying goes, "All judgment is self-judgment."
 
harryz said:
It is one at them and three back at you. As the Buddhist saying goes, "All judgment is self-judgment."
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Right, you just posted something about "Nadal being butthurt because he picks at his butt" No surprise to see you hating on Nadal...meanwhile this thread did not say anything negative about Federer like that.

BTW, Mayo is clearly a troll who can't engage in discourse about the topic at hand, as many many other users have noted. And you are not doing a good job of appearing like anything else. Although you try to disguise it with trite sayings that are not even correlated to your other posts.

What a joke. Save the buddhist spiel for a spirtuality message board.
 
Did I attack another poster?

125downthemiddle said:
Right, you just posted something about "Nadal being butthurt because he picks at his butt" No surprise to see you hating on Nadal...meanwhile this thread did not say anything negative about Federer like that.

BTW, Mayo is clearly a troll who can't engage in discourse about the topic at hand, as many many other users have noted. And you are not doing a good job of appearing like anything else. Although you try to disguise it with trite sayings that are not even correlated to your other posts.

What a joke. Save the buddhist spiel for a spirtuality message board.
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Now you attack me. I rest my case.
 
eldanger25 said:
I looked at this a few weeks ago as well - http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?p=8553493#post8553493

Here's the original post below - basically, Fed does have fifth set weaknesses definitely - which hurts him compared to Pete/Nadal/Borg somewhat - but if you dig deeper you have to acknowledge that he rarely let guys get to the fifth set during his 2003-10 prime, and he has to be credited for forcing fifth sets on a few famous occasions as well.

--------------------------------------------------------

If you could get Fed into a fifth set, he could get himself into trouble. But that's just a starting point. The question to ask is who out there had it in them among the top guys to take prime Federer (2003 - 2010) to a fifth set, and where - as well as asking whether Fed or his opponent forced a fifth set.

I'm excluding the pre top-10 Berdych/Tipsy matches and the Andreev and Falla 5-setters from consideration, since it was an accomplishment for those guys to even hit a fifth set with Fed during this era. Full credit to Roger for beating them when his level wasn't all the way there, however.

The answers are:

2003

Nalbandian on hard, AO 2003 (Nalbandian wins, Fed forces fifth set)

Hewitt on hard, DC 2003 (Hewitt wins, Hewitt forces fifth set)

Analysis: No shame in the pre-major winning Nalbandian loss - DN was ahead of Fed at this point anyway, solid for forcing a fifth set. Should've and could've closed out Hewitt in DC, though we're talking about a former number 1 who'd had Fed's number early in their careers.

2004

Agassi on hard, US Open 2004 (Fed wins, Agassi forces fifth set)

Analysis: Some similarities to this past Sunday - aging great puts up valiant battle against another great in his prime who maybe should've wrapped up the match sooner, including several chances to break in the 4th set.

2005

Safin on hard, AO 2005 (Safin wins, Safin forces fifth set)

Nadal on hard, Miami 2005 (Fed wins, Fed forces fifth set)

Nalbandian on indoor hard, YEC 2005 (Nalbandian wins, Nalbandian forces fifth set)

Analysis: Three famous matches - no shame in the loss to zoning Nalbandian, already signs of struggles against teenaged Nadal, and some tactical questions in the latter stages of the Safin match.

2006

Haas on hard, AO 2006 (Fed wins, Haas forces fifth set)

Nadal on clay, Rome 2006 (Nadal wins, Fed forces fifth set)

Analysis: No shame in the Rome loss - great effort, maybe one of the highest quality/level matches of the decade. More heartbreak for Haas.

2007

Nadal on grass, SW19 2007 (Fed wins, Nadal forces fifth set)

Analysis: Credit for righting the ship early in the fifth, though a slightly less green Nadal would've been through.

2008

Nadal on grass, SW19 2008 (Nadal wins, Fed forces fifth set)

Analysis: Credit for forcing that epic fifth set at SW19 - maybe a peak moment, mentally - really made Nadal earn that title.

2009

Nadal on hard, AO 2009 (Nadal wins, Fed forces fifth set)

Haas on clay, RG 2009 (Fed wins, Fed forces fifth set)

Del Potro on clay, RG 2009 (Fed wins, Fed forces fifth set)

Roddick on grass, SW19 2009 (Fed wins, Roddick forces fifth set)

Del Potro on hard, US Open 2009 (Del Potro wins, Del Potro forces fifth set)

Analysis: Really went away in the fifth set against Nadal/Delpo at the HC majors. Roddick match was in some ways a choke-job by Andy, who let Fed back into the match on a few occasions. Credit for slipping past Haas and a green DelPo on clay.

2010

Djokovic on hard, US Open 2010 (Novak wins, Novak forces fifth set)

Analysis: Very up-and-down play from Fed throughout. Held MPs on Novak's serve in the fifth, couldn't close the deal.

Overall thoughts:

7-9 record overall in the above matches (and that's including his victories at 2009 RG against usual suspect Haas and young Del Potro on a less-favored surface). 3-4 when he forces the fifth set; 4-5 when the other guy did.

Seems like Fed's poor fifth set reputation largely stems from a handful of matches in his twenties where he was up 2 sets to 1 on favorite surfaces and let the other guy back in - Hewitt 2003; Safin/Nalby 2005; Del Potro 2009; Novak 2010 (I don't hold 2011 5 setters to Tsonga and Novak against Fed because he was roughly 30 and that's just unfair).

There's also the feeling that he just went away mentally at Melbourne 2009, though you have to credit Nadal as much as blame Roger in that one.

All that said, you have to credit him for matches such as Rome 2006, SW19 2008, and US Open 2004 (when the crowd was mucho behind Agassi and Fed had never won the event). Some credit too for holding off Roddick in 2009 and green Nadal in 2005 and 2007.

To me, if a guy's weakness is a fifth set, and he rarely ever lets guys get there, that's obviously an all-time great compared to the field. It's in comparisons to guys like Nadal (who's won fifth sets against Roger on all surfaces) and hypothetical matchups with mentally tough legends like prime Sampras and Borg where Fed's fifth set problems become relevant, since there's some expectation that many such matches against fellow greats would go the distance.

Gotta give Fed some credit for the 2001 Sampras match, of course - particularly after Pete toughed out the 4th set. Somewhat surprising how inconsistent he was in fifth sets in the years after this justly celebrated victory. Still, Pete turned 30 in 2001, and I've excluded Fed's fifth set failures against Tsonga and Djokovic in 2011 on the same grounds.
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pretty much this, good post as always
 
Oh really?

125downthemiddle said:
Your case wasn't even taken to trial. your post history is full of attacks. Take a seat and meditate chief.
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I've attacked other posters specifically and called them names? Really? I'd doubt it, but then again I admit to being childish on occasion. I am man enough to own up to that. Are you? I suppose not, as that takes character and life experience, qualities that are lacking in your very ugly and personal posts towards me and others. Notice that is not a personal attack, by the way, but about your words. Someday you may learn to recognize the difference, will learn to laugh at youself, and maybe even meditate on it:) For now, just call me condescending and insult me again. So good bye, good luck and good riddance. Please go at it, and have the last word... It won't be read by me.
 
harryz said:
I've attacked other posters specifically and called them names? Really? I'd doubt it, but then again I admit to being childish on occasion. I am man enough to own up to that. Are you? I suppose not, as that takes character and life experience, qualities that are lacking in your very ugly and personal posts towards me and others. Notice that is not a personal attack, by the way, but about your words. Someday you may learn to recognize the difference, will learn to laugh at youself, and maybe even meditate on it:) For now, just call me condescending and insult me again. So good bye, good luck and good riddance. Please go at it, and have the last word... It won't be read by me.
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You are condescending and hypocritical and just butted in while having no idea what the history is. You also have posts making fun of Nadal, which is likely why you butted in rudely with no clue of the history.

Oh, and I know you're reading this right now.

:lol: :lol:
 
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