Federers a comment on the heat...

TheF1Bob

Banned
Fred is the hardest worker on tour, he does intense 4 hour training sessions in 45degree temps in Dubai, he doesn't give a crap if anyone collapses or dies out there.

I didn't say the first implied the other, you did.

Feds statement about dealing with the heat just being a mental thing, implies that he thinks he doesn't collapse or die while others do because of his mental toughness. What do you think? Is it because of his mental toughness due to the 4 hour training sessions he endures in the intense Dubai heat?

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wy2sl0

Hall of Fame
The guy can say what he wants. He goes out there and doesn't complain about conditions. Blue clay? Extreme heat? He just wants to play and is probably upset to no end about excuses and weakness in the sport. I have played in 40* a couple times with crazy humidity (in Ottawa the summers here can get ridiculously warm in the valley) and although it is very uncomfortable and fatiguing, I am not a pro athlete with the best physios and nutritionists. These guys have gotta deal with it, period.
 

TheF1Bob

Banned
The guy can say what he wants. He goes out there and doesn't complain about conditions. Blue clay? Extreme heat? He just wants to play and is probably upset to no end about excuses and weakness in the sport. I have played in 40* a couple times with crazy humidity (in Ottawa the summers here can get ridiculously warm in the valley) and although it is very uncomfortable and fatiguing, I am not a pro athlete with the best physios and nutritionists. These guys have gotta deal with it, period.

Fed was dumb to say what he said.

Deal with it.
 

Cuqui

New User
Fed was dumb to say what he said.

Deal with it.

I think Fed is right when he says is mental.
When he says is mental he isn't saying that it has to be with mental toughness, I think he is saying that is more a state o mind.

Since I was a kid I deal pretty well with the heat but my brother, that is fitter than me, panic when it was extreme hot. He just stopped breathing because he thought he was going to collapse.
 
This looks like a Federer hate thread.
Really?

Then explain this dirtbag vvv :

^^
But naturally, the butthurt Sampras fans are immune to such logic

;-)




I don't really care to comment on what Fed said but AO organizers should take better care of their players. It's one thing to play in heat, it's another for heat to affect the quality of a match. I've played both tennis and football in 39-40 degrees Celsius on natural surfaces and even with proper hydration and such you feel spent after about an hour, sometimes even earlier. You can go longer if you take more breaks but at a regular pace the heat makes things brutal. The guys without caps got heatstroke. And we were amateurs so our level of play wasn't all that sustained, it's quite another thing to be a pro and sustain long rallies in 40+ degress of heat for hours at a time.

Playing on asphalt in such heat must be like playing inside a furnace because the ground gets to around 60 celsius mid day. If you add high humidity to the mix then the situation is even more messed up.

Play is routinely stopped for rain conditions and other extreme weather phenomenon yet some people's response to extreme heat seems to be "man up and play".

Come to think of it, when has play ever been suspended in a big tourney because of extreme heat? I'm trying to think of a situation in recent times but I am drawing a blank. Maybe someone around here can help me out.
^ Spot on. I guess Kory Stringer didn't have the 'mental wherewithal' to deal with it either. Unreal ....

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urundai

Professional
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Ok, we have to separate out two things. This thread started bashing Federer for his comments (and praising Murray for what he said). It didn't start about the general issues of playing in hot weather. It's a no brainer that it's dangerous if you are out in the hot sun and not taking care of yourself with hydration.

let's look at OP's comments :
1. If you are going to lose respect for someone that has achieved so much in the sport and one of the greatest over these comments, I don't think you had any respect for Fed to begin with.
2. Murray was asked about 'extreme heat and even the ball boys fainting' to which he answered people could die. Fed was asked how he felt about playing in the extreme heat to which he said fine and he was going to go with it. You read comments from Ana Ivanovic, Serena and Li Na who pretty much said what Fed said about their ability to play (it's fine, it's in the mind, you just go with it etc. ). You can't take answers for two separate questions and say Fed should have said people could die when he was asked about how he felt (as an individual out there playing).
3. Which brings me to the third point. If Fed had indeed made an issue of heat, I am sure this board will have another thread calling Fed as the GOAT whiner :)

I feel silly that we have taken an innocuous comment and turned in to a three page discussion that I have posted twice now. I am moving on to other threads.
 

W.P. Mayhew

Semi-Pro
Djokovic agrees that mental preparation plays an important part in it, albeit not making it sound as harsh.

Q. How does your body cope with the heat personally?
NOVAK DJOKOVIC: Everything is fine. I'm physically fit. I've been, you know, practicing, preparing for Australian summer that we all know it can be difficult at times with the conditions.

You know, as I said, we all were aware of the weather that is going to, how the weather is going to look like these couple days. We knew that when we saw forecast couple of days ago, everybody was talking about 40 degrees and plus. Knowing that I played a day match today, I prepared myself mentally for that. It's not just physically. Mentally you need to be tough enough to not give up and not think about what conditions can do to you.

It's not the first time I face myself with this particular weather. Obviously experience helps.


Q. Can you describe at all the difference in feeling between how you were five years ago against Roddick and how you are now, what the difference is?
NOVAK DJOKOVIC: There are plenty of differences. Obviously as the years go by, I'm more matured as a player, as a person. I learned new things in life. I develop myself. I physically get stronger mentally also. All of this plays, of course, an important role when you are playing on such conditions.

It's not easy. Maybe it looks, but I do go through tough times after long rallies, as everybody, trying to get some air obviously. Generally it's much more efficient for me nowadays to recover and to get ready for next point than it used to be 2009 when I retired my match against Roddick, yeah.

Also, Watson pushed Holmes, Moffat told me. It will all be explained on the 100th episode.
 

TheF1Bob

Banned
That is your opinion, I along with others disagree with thinking it is dumb - rather a little stiff but somewhat true.

Nadal fan? Ironic considering.

You have no idea what you're talking about. And a players health is now a mental thing, just tell them to "deal with it"?

lol.

Djokovic agrees that mental preparation plays an important part in it, albeit not making it sound as harsh.



Also, Watson pushed Holmes, Moffat told me. It will all be explained on the 100th episode.

At least Novak made clear of his thoughts unlike the arrogant one.
 
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JRAJ1988

Guest
Out of touch

Federer should play on court 6 with no covering in 45 degree heat for 3+ hours. People can die out there in that heat whilst that moron Doctor was saying "Everything will be fine"

It's an idiotic "out of touch" comment. I've always admired Federer's game but as a legend of the game he should be complaining about this heat.
 
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Ok I had no idea that they were asked different questions, so I agree that was presumptuous of me.

Personally a lot of my anger around this issue is that I like watching fair matches. Matches that favour the better player in neutral conditions. Dodig and all other players who don't cope well in these extreme conditions shouldn't be penalised and have to retire because of extreme temperatures.

You have to draw the line somewhere, this is the most important aspect. Murray has pointed out that no players are clear on what's allowed or not regarding the temperatures and extreme highs are nothing to scoff about.

So far I've not enjoyed the tournament, the aspect of a player winning over the other due to his ability to cope with higher temps is of no interest to me.


Edit: for instance, I love watching Gulbis play, a very exciting and intense personality, but the idea of watching him loose because the other guy is genetically better prepared for the temperatures is something that spoils the matches for me. If we were talking about less extreme temperatures then I wouldn't have the same reaction.
 
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TheF1Bob

Banned
Federer should play on court 6 with no covering in 45 degree heat for 3+ hours. People can die out there in that heat whilst that moron Doctor was saying "Everything will be fine"

It's an idiotic "out of touch" comment. I've always admired Federer's game but as a legend of the game he should be complaining about this heat.

Agreed. It's amazing we have to have this discussion at all.

People suffer from Dehydration, be it fit or not.

Why can't some of you see this?

btw i'm not saying its all down to dehydration but it's probably one of the main reasons so many are suffering out there.
 
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wy2sl0

Hall of Fame
It isn't dehydration. Players like Roddick would have died ten times over if it was from dehydration. I hope you know that on a 20*C day Roddick sweated more than 2 guys combined at 40*, some people just sweat more.

The people with problems aren't used to playing (training) in heat and thus have heat intolerance which causes nausea, vomiting, low blood pressure, etc. It is not really mental, but it can be overcome with training and is not indicative of "too much heat to play in".
 

Ronaldo

Bionic Poster
It isn't dehydration. Players like Roddick would have died ten times over if it was from dehydration. I hope you know that on a 20*C day Roddick sweated more than 2 guys combined at 40*, some people just sweat more.

The people with problems aren't used to playing (training) in heat and thus have heat intolerance which causes nausea, vomiting, low blood pressure, etc. It is not really mental, but it can be overcome with training and is not indicative of "too much heat to play in".

113 degrees fahrenheit, 45 degrees celsius. Should they halt play?

Surprised a mister on a fan is not used, http://www.hotbuy4u.com/pics/mistymate-b.JPG
 
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wy2sl0

Hall of Fame
113 degrees fahrenheit, 45 degrees celsius. Should they halt play?

Surprised a mister on a fan is not used, http://www.hotbuy4u.com/pics/mistymate-b.JPG

No, because in my opinion if you are fit enough to overcome the elements that should be an advantage you have over your opponent.

When I play my friend and it is warm (he is 6'6" and about 250 lbs) I try to run him as much as I can to wear him out. If he starts saying he is tired and needs breaks in the middle of the game from heat and fatigue that is my advantage, not grounds for suspension of play. Most of these guys have access to water that they can take with them to the back of the court with the towel and don't even use that.

At the end of the day, majority rules, and the majority are surviving without complaining.
 
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jhhachamp

Hall of Fame

Crisstti

Legend
I don't really care to comment on what Fed said but AO organizers should take better care of their players. It's one thing to play in heat, it's another for heat to affect the quality of a match. I've played both tennis and football in 39-40 degrees Celsius on natural surfaces and even with proper hydration and such you feel spent after about an hour, sometimes even earlier. You can go longer if you take more breaks but at a regular pace the heat makes things brutal. The guys without caps got heatstroke. And we were amateurs so our level of play wasn't all that sustained, it's quite another thing to be a pro and sustain long rallies in 40+ degress of heat for hours at a time.

Playing on asphalt in such heat must be like playing inside a furnace because the ground gets to around 60 celsius mid day. If you add high humidity to the mix then the situation is even more messed up.

Play is routinely stopped for rain conditions and other extreme weather phenomenon yet some people's response to extreme heat seems to be "man up and play".

Come to think of it, when has play ever been suspended in a big tourney because of extreme heat? I'm trying to think of a situation in recent times but I am drawing a blank. Maybe someone around here can help me out.

Yeah. It's a matter of health. It's a bigger risk than playing in slippery conditions...

The guy can say what he wants. He goes out there and doesn't complain about conditions. Blue clay? Extreme heat? He just wants to play and is probably upset to no end about excuses and weakness in the sport. I have played in 40* a couple times with crazy humidity (in Ottawa the summers here can get ridiculously warm in the valley) and although it is very uncomfortable and fatiguing, I am not a pro athlete with the best physios and nutritionists. These guys have gotta deal with it, period.

Not all players have the best physios and nutritionists. Nor can afford to go to train in Dubai...
 

Sentinel

Bionic Poster
Yeah. It's a matter of health. It's a bigger risk than playing in slippery conditions...



Not all players have the best physios and nutritionists. Nor can afford to go to train in Dubai...
I don't think he trained in Dubai recently, did he? And i don't see how physios and best nutrition are going to help here. If there was Djokovic (and Roddick, iirc) would not have been retiring a few years back.
 
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