Federers a comment on the heat...
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The guy can say what he wants. He goes out there and doesn't complain about conditions. Blue clay? Extreme heat? He just wants to play and is probably upset to no end about excuses and weakness in the sport. I have played in 40* a couple times with crazy humidity (in Ottawa the summers here can get ridiculously warm in the valley) and although it is very uncomfortable and fatiguing, I am not a pro athlete with the best physios and nutritionists. These guys have gotta deal with it, period.
TheF1Bob
Banned
Speranza
Hall of Fame
Holmes: Nobody pushed me....
Cuqui
New User
I think Fed is right when he says is mental.
When he says is mental he isn't saying that it has to be with mental toughness, I think he is saying that is more a state o mind.
Since I was a kid I deal pretty well with the heat but my brother, that is fitter than me, panic when it was extreme hot. He just stopped breathing because he thought he was going to collapse.
Dedans Penthouse
Legend
Really?
Then explain this dirtbag vvv :
^ Spot on. I guess Kory Stringer didn't have the 'mental wherewithal' to deal with it either. Unreal ....
urundai
Professional
Ok, we have to separate out two things. This thread started bashing Federer for his comments (and praising Murray for what he said). It didn't start about the general issues of playing in hot weather. It's a no brainer that it's dangerous if you are out in the hot sun and not taking care of yourself with hydration.
let's look at OP's comments :
1. If you are going to lose respect for someone that has achieved so much in the sport and one of the greatest over these comments, I don't think you had any respect for Fed to begin with.
2. Murray was asked about 'extreme heat and even the ball boys fainting' to which he answered people could die. Fed was asked how he felt about playing in the extreme heat to which he said fine and he was going to go with it. You read comments from Ana Ivanovic, Serena and Li Na who pretty much said what Fed said about their ability to play (it's fine, it's in the mind, you just go with it etc. ). You can't take answers for two separate questions and say Fed should have said people could die when he was asked about how he felt (as an individual out there playing).
3. Which brings me to the third point. If Fed had indeed made an issue of heat, I am sure this board will have another thread calling Fed as the GOAT whiner
I feel silly that we have taken an innocuous comment and turned in to a three page discussion that I have posted twice now. I am moving on to other threads.
Hood_Man
G.O.A.T.
It was Mycroft, wasn't it?
Fed_Djoker_Fan
Banned
Do you blame them? Federer should not have been cocky in the first place. He brought it on himself.
That is your opinion, I along with others disagree with thinking it is dumb - rather a little stiff but somewhat true.
Nadal fan? Ironic considering.
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W.P. Mayhew
Semi-Pro
Djokovic agrees that mental preparation plays an important part in it, albeit not making it sound as harsh.
Also, Watson pushed Holmes, Moffat told me. It will all be explained on the 100th episode.
Also, Watson pushed Holmes, Moffat told me. It will all be explained on the 100th episode.
PrinceMoron
Legend
Well, loose spelling really. That is what you call eating words, mangling them.
TheF1Bob
Banned
You have no idea what you're talking about. And a players health is now a mental thing, just tell them to "deal with it"?
lol.
At least Novak made clear of his thoughts unlike the arrogant one.
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JRAJ1988
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Out of touch
Federer should play on court 6 with no covering in 45 degree heat for 3+ hours. People can die out there in that heat whilst that moron Doctor was saying "Everything will be fine"
It's an idiotic "out of touch" comment. I've always admired Federer's game but as a legend of the game he should be complaining about this heat.
Federer should play on court 6 with no covering in 45 degree heat for 3+ hours. People can die out there in that heat whilst that moron Doctor was saying "Everything will be fine"
It's an idiotic "out of touch" comment. I've always admired Federer's game but as a legend of the game he should be complaining about this heat.
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ST_spitzertelescope
Semi-Pro
Ok I had no idea that they were asked different questions, so I agree that was presumptuous of me.
Personally a lot of my anger around this issue is that I like watching fair matches. Matches that favour the better player in neutral conditions. Dodig and all other players who don't cope well in these extreme conditions shouldn't be penalised and have to retire because of extreme temperatures.
You have to draw the line somewhere, this is the most important aspect. Murray has pointed out that no players are clear on what's allowed or not regarding the temperatures and extreme highs are nothing to scoff about.
So far I've not enjoyed the tournament, the aspect of a player winning over the other due to his ability to cope with higher temps is of no interest to me.
Edit: for instance, I love watching Gulbis play, a very exciting and intense personality, but the idea of watching him loose because the other guy is genetically better prepared for the temperatures is something that spoils the matches for me. If we were talking about less extreme temperatures then I wouldn't have the same reaction.
Personally a lot of my anger around this issue is that I like watching fair matches. Matches that favour the better player in neutral conditions. Dodig and all other players who don't cope well in these extreme conditions shouldn't be penalised and have to retire because of extreme temperatures.
You have to draw the line somewhere, this is the most important aspect. Murray has pointed out that no players are clear on what's allowed or not regarding the temperatures and extreme highs are nothing to scoff about.
So far I've not enjoyed the tournament, the aspect of a player winning over the other due to his ability to cope with higher temps is of no interest to me.
Edit: for instance, I love watching Gulbis play, a very exciting and intense personality, but the idea of watching him loose because the other guy is genetically better prepared for the temperatures is something that spoils the matches for me. If we were talking about less extreme temperatures then I wouldn't have the same reaction.
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TheF1Bob
Banned
Agreed. It's amazing we have to have this discussion at all.
People suffer from Dehydration, be it fit or not.
Why can't some of you see this?
btw i'm not saying its all down to dehydration but it's probably one of the main reasons so many are suffering out there.
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It isn't dehydration. Players like Roddick would have died ten times over if it was from dehydration. I hope you know that on a 20*C day Roddick sweated more than 2 guys combined at 40*, some people just sweat more.
The people with problems aren't used to playing (training) in heat and thus have heat intolerance which causes nausea, vomiting, low blood pressure, etc. It is not really mental, but it can be overcome with training and is not indicative of "too much heat to play in".
The people with problems aren't used to playing (training) in heat and thus have heat intolerance which causes nausea, vomiting, low blood pressure, etc. It is not really mental, but it can be overcome with training and is not indicative of "too much heat to play in".
Ronaldo
Bionic Poster
113 degrees fahrenheit, 45 degrees celsius. Should they halt play?
Surprised a mister on a fan is not used, http://www.hotbuy4u.com/pics/mistymate-b.JPG
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No, because in my opinion if you are fit enough to overcome the elements that should be an advantage you have over your opponent.
When I play my friend and it is warm (he is 6'6" and about 250 lbs) I try to run him as much as I can to wear him out. If he starts saying he is tired and needs breaks in the middle of the game from heat and fatigue that is my advantage, not grounds for suspension of play. Most of these guys have access to water that they can take with them to the back of the court with the towel and don't even use that.
At the end of the day, majority rules, and the majority are surviving without complaining.
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I am puzzled...what actual comment by Federer made you lose respect?
Crisstti
Legend
Yeah. It's a matter of health. It's a bigger risk than playing in slippery conditions...
Not all players have the best physios and nutritionists. Nor can afford to go to train in Dubai...
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
I don't think he trained in Dubai recently, did he? And i don't see how physios and best nutrition are going to help here. If there was Djokovic (and Roddick, iirc) would not have been retiring a few years back.
NADALRECORD
Banned
LOL Federer's words have not been useful lately.
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