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The worst blind man is the one who does not want to see........
Federer's blacked out frame
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The worst blind man is the one who does not want to see........
Devilito
Legend
Delbo played well. It's not that he beat Fed in the 1st round. He's made it to the semis beating quality players. He hits huge and those are the type of players that trouble Fed. Remember earlier this year Nadal lost to Zabelloswho plus getting Darcised at Wimbledon. The way Delbo played today he could have beaten a lot of other players
The Meat
Hall of Fame
oldschoolrules
New User
I watched most of the match and it seemed to me that Roger was having a few adjustment issues with the new frame but his biggest problem today appeared to be a very motivated and solid opponent who was playing very well and some unusually (for Federer) sloppy footwork late in the second set. He did launch a few forehands and was clearly having some problems controlling the depth on his volleys but, overall, I think with a few tweaks here and there he can easily adjust. One thing that did, at least on TV, look improved/different was the height on his serve. It may have just been the angle of the camera but he hit a couple top/slice heaters up the "t" that looked like they just exploded off of the court.
stronzzi70
Professional
Maybe is not the same Roger, bu still can play for 2 or 3 more years....your comments is very simple about Roger, that´s mean if he lose some match he is done,,,come on.....Do you know something about tennis?
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Do You??? I am a Federer fan, but, I've been follow up his trajectory and IMHO it is time to his retirement. My opinion and surely many other people who likes this game. If You want to see Federer to been crashed for everybody, support him to stay playing and trying crazing things like play with this kind of racquet. He certainly has the game to be top 10, but he said he wants to be number 1. Holding number 1???? Unlikely........
stronzzi70
Professional
Maybe not # 1 again, but for sure 2 more grand slams, plus still inside top # 3....this is my hope for Roger.........
SwankPeRFection
Hall of Fame
Loses to Fognini in straight sets tomorrow, follows the trend from Wimbledon upsets.
Follows the trend of all upsets that happen like this. I'll be rooting for Foggi tomorrow. He's playing well and having fun.
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coolschreiber
Hall of Fame
The guy just changed his racket recently, I think we should be kind enough to give him the benefit of doubt and let him get used to it
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coolschreiber
Hall of Fame
@SwankPeRFection -I have no idea why I quoted you in my previous post as my post has nothing to do with, error on my part, apologies
SwankPeRFection
Hall of Fame
I don't think Wilson had any in there because I don't remember seeing anything miraculous in terms of shotmaking with the new stick.
vsbabolat
G.O.A.T.
take a look at this pic, looks like a prestige imo!?
Looks like it could be a H22......
jimbo333
Hall of Fame
Yeah I agree, which is a Wilson copy of the PT630 only with the 16x19 string pattern, basically very similar to what Murray is using.
So Federer is going to effectively start using Murray's racket:shock:
A huge error in my opinion. If you look back at all the great players in modern times, after using basically the same racket for the majority of their career, as soon as they changed rackets they never again won a Grand Slam tiltle. There are exceptions, but I think if Federer does change rackets permanently it would be a mistake in my opinion.
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ilovetennis212
Professional
Could someone please explain what's H22 and H19 to me.?
JoelDali
Talk Tennis Guru
I'm pretty sure I could see the Basalt underneath the black paint. But maybe what I was really seeing is the Karophite black.
SwankPeRFection
Hall of Fame
take a look at this pic, looks like a prestige imo!?
Only problem (and there's not a good view of it here because his hand is in the way) is that the Head racquets don't have a wide enough throat where you can put your finger in them and spin the racquet around like Fed used to do with his 90. Even the PS95 on the market doesn't have this. The other pics of this black stick we've seen shows that the throat does have a wider turn in it to allow for this. I couldn't find any current Heads that showed this wide throat in any pics of current models. Does the H22 non-public design have this?
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It is not a HEAD mould, but has the HEAD design on it, like many other racquets (Pro Kennex, Donnay, Blades, etc.....). They are all derivative from HEAD design with little modifications. Think at Pro Staff design. If You create one racquet with some little modifications and change the brand, after all it is a derivative from Pro Staff, understand the thought?
Yes, he's been playing with different frames, since Wimbledon.
And trying other specs on those frames. Even with different types off strings...
And the journey is not over... It is supposed to end till the end off the month, according to his team, let's see what appens.
Art Art, how come you feel the need to make people believe you know what's going on when you really don't?
People know my real name, and people know the real names of others on this board who have connections in this industry. Give us your connection to the industry so we can decide if you have any clue with what is actually going on.
yonexRx32
Professional
It may be that's what he did, but it looks like he picked the wrong stick. He should talk to Stepanek who seems to have improved since he switched rackets.
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yonexRx32
Professional
A pretty naive article from the best writer of the online tennis magazine. He seems to imply that the rackets you purchase in store and the ones used by Nadal or other players are one and the same thing. Except they aren't. The mold may look similar but the layup is different. The author claiming that he played with Nadal's racket is equivalent to the average Yamaha owner claiming he rides Valentino Rossi's MotoGP bike.
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For everyone's information. As with any equipment change in any sport, you need to only change one variable at a time. So, if you are testing new frames, you keep your same specs and strings. If you are testing new specs, you keep the same racquet and strings. If you are testing new strings, you keep the same racquet and specs.
You need to feel the difference due to one variable. If you change multiple things at the same time, you won't be sure what the difference in results is caused by.
You need to feel the difference due to one variable. If you change multiple things at the same time, you won't be sure what the difference in results is caused by.
rh310
Hall of Fame
I didn't know either, but I put "Wilson h22 h19" into a Google search and was able to figure it out.
Bobby Jr
G.O.A.T.
Thanks for putting it so eloquently.
A few people here need to think their posts through a bit more in terms of how the change likely went down and how the process was managed.
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
Agree. but this is a huge change for Roger. Not sure if the stiffness is exactly same as his old PS90 ?
kimbahpnam
Hall of Fame
If fed doesn't win another major it's not because he switched racquets
So he is basically playing with a pro staff 98...
Timbo's hopeless slice
Hall of Fame
yes, like that idiot Djokovic when he switched from Wilson to HEAD, destroyed his career.
and that fool Agassi, I mean, why would you switch from Prince to Donnay, and then to HEAD? just went downhill from there
oh, wait..
I don't have a clue how you come to that assumption from my post.
My post was purely a response to Art Art who stated that Roger was testing different frames, specs, and strings all at the same time. I was attempting to inform people that this is not the way to go about testing.
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tistrapukcipeht
Professional
You are wasting your time talking to them, these guys here change equipment more than you change your shirts, they just don't get it. There are some of those who even think they know what Fed should be playing with, if you can believe it. They know more than Fed himself- and that's because they are 4.0's.
This, can anyone post a video of highlights of a match with new racket?
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Yes, because neither Djokovic nor Agassi would have made it as a pro had they not switched racquets. :???:
Oh, and why did Djokovic switch from Head to Wilson to Head, and why did Agassi switch from Prince to Donnay to Head? (Hint: It's not because Head makes better racquets than anyone else.)
I agree that it's best to change one variable at a time when testing. But I can't imagine his team sent him on court in Germany having changed only one variable of his set up (ie the frame head size itself).
Certainly he tested different frames at first, then tested different weights and SWs and balances and then tested different tensions behind the scenes in a controlled manner. Any one test would have addressed a given topic (eg SW or main tension) but after these many different tests the frame he took on court in Germany was different from what he had been using in multiple ways. He would have observed changes to isolated variables during the testing process and eventually settled on a new frame/string system which probaby encompassed multiple changes (eg I can't imagine his tension didn't change.)
Timbo's hopeless slice
Hall of Fame
but that's missing the point, BP.
the comment was made that no recent pro had been successful following a racquet switch
well, there's two without even trying..
the reasons were never a part of the discussion in this instance
Cup8489
G.O.A.T.
As always, your presence in discussing this with us, even if you're not at liberty to discuss it very far, is great. It's so cool that we can even interact with a member of P1; I for one am grateful you post at all.
Timbo's hopeless slice
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'cos we're not grovelling sycophants at all...
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I agree. And even so just the racquet change is more than one variable because frame design, torsional stability, frame width, swingweight, etc..... One variable a time??? It is not that simple.......
Power Player
Bionic Poster
You are replying to the guy who customizes his frames. You know that right?
