Federer's indoor carpet record

[ultradr]

I noticed Federer's indoor carpet record last few years is pretty mediocre
for his standard.

We're talking about 'last few years'. He dominated tour like no one ever did.
Plus we all know he tries to win every thing.

For an average player, he has pretty good record. 2 finals in Swiss indoor
and 1 final at master's. But we're talking about Federer of last few years.
As far as I know, he never won a title on carpet(correct me if I'm wrong).
I understand indoor seasons became non-factor these days.

He had some foot injury in last years masters final. But in 2 finals of Swiss
indoor, I think we can safely assume he pretty much wanted to win but
failed to do so. And recently he pretty much skips indoor carpet seasons.

This makes me wonder what makes him relatively vulnerable on real fast carpet court ?
Wimbledon is fast but he didn't do well until its courts got
really slow in 2003. Is he really a slow court players in 90's standard just like
many other current top players who are dominating the tour ?

 

[vive le beau jeu !]

For an average player, he has pretty good record. 2 finals in Swiss indoor
and 1 final at master's. But we're talking about Federer of last few years.
As far as I know, he never won a title on carpet(correct me if I'm wrong).

he won his first title (milan 2001) on carpet...
(nb: he didn't play often on carpet during recent times)

 

[jackson vile]

I noticed Federer's indoor carpet record last few years is pretty mediocre
for his standard.

We're talking about 'last few years'. He dominated tour like no one ever did.
Plus we all know he tries to win every thing.

For an average player, he has pretty good record. 2 finals in Swiss indoor
and 1 final at master's. But we're talking about Federer of last few years.
As far as I know, he never won a title on carpet(correct me if I'm wrong).
I understand indoor seasons became non-factor these days.

He had some foot injury in last years masters final. But in 2 finals of Swiss
indoor, I think we can safely assume he pretty much wanted to win but
failed to do so. And recently he pretty much skips indoor carpet seasons.

This makes me wonder what makes him relatively vulnerable on real fast carpet court ?
Wimbledon is fast but he didn't do well until its courts got
really slow in 2003. Is he really a slow court players in 90's standard just like
many other current top players who are dominating the tour ?

I agree, fast flat shots give him big trouble, as well as everyone else LOL

IMO the grass needs to be fresher, slicker, and fasterLOL

 

[anointedone]

Federer has never won a Masters title indoors. I guess people just play real tennis against him, with the pressure of the slams off, rather then be awed by a player who just be a run of the mill top 20 player if he played in anything other then the worst mens field in history.

 

[ultradr]

he won his first title (milan 2001) on carpet...
(nb: he didn't play often on carpet during recent times)

Yep, but his 1st break thru big title(ATP Masters) was on the slowest
clay of Hamburg...

 

[The tennis guy]

Since Federer became No. 1, he only played 4 indoor events excluding Davis Cup, Rotterdam in 04, Thailand 04, 05, and MC 05. He won Thailand twice, lost in Rotterdam to Henman, in MC to Nalbandian. It's just too small sample to draw conclusion.

 

[Baghdatis72]

Actually Federer doesn't really like the indoor carpet surface and this can be seen by the fact that he hasn't played in indoor carpet events since 2003 where he lost all of them.

Paris TMS 03 QF, Basel 03 R16, Paris TMS 02 QF, Basel 02 SF

 

[ultradr]

Nadal also has pretty dismal records on indoor carpet (like 1st
and 2nd round losses) but he still seems to want to play on fast
courts....

 

[The tennis guy]

Federer has never won a Masters title indoors. I guess people just play real tennis against him, with the pressure of the slams off, rather then be awed by a player who just be a run of the mill top 20 player if he played in anything other then the worst mens field in history.

He hasn't played one single master series event indoor since he became No. 1. You can't win if you don't play.

 

[The tennis guy]

Actually Federer doesn't really like the indoor carpet surface and this can be seen by the fact that he hasn't played in indoor carpet events since 2003 where he lost all of them.

Paris TMS 03 QF, Basel 03 R16, Paris TMS 02 QF, Basel 02 SF

Because he was injured in 04 and 05.

 

[ultradr]

Since he became No 1, he switched from carpet to clay court
tournament in Swiss.

 

[ultradr]

Because he was injured in 04 and 05.

But he still won many other non-carpet titles, didn't he ?

 

[The tennis guy]

Since he became No 1, he switched from carpet to clay court
tournament in Swiss.

??? What the hell you are talking about?

 

[Shabazza]

Actually Federer doesn't really like the indoor carpet surface and this can be seen by the fact that he hasn't played in indoor carpet events since 2003 where he lost all of them.

Paris TMS 03 QF, Basel 03 R16, Paris TMS 02 QF, Basel 02 SF

He had 2004 and 2005 injurys who kept him from playing the fall indoor season and MS during his most dominant years. To say he doesn't like indoor is based on nothing whatsoever. 4 events in 2 years doesn't proof anything. He skiped some indoor events after AO, because he always go deep or wins there and he tends to take some time off after Slams - playing no DC as well.

 

[Baghdatis72]

Because he was injured in 04 and 05.

You mean the bruised shinbone that he had in his nightmare and the practice injury the following year?

 

[The tennis guy]

But he still won many other non-carpet titles, didn't he ?

He didn't play during the fall in 04 and 05 indoor season. The point is if you don't play indoor events due to injury, you can't win titles. He won many non-carpet titles because he played them.

 

[ultradr]

??? What the hell you are talking about?

My bad. I mean he stopped playing basel on carpet but still plays
Gasstaad on clay, among the tournaments played in his home country...

 

[The tennis guy]

My bad. I mean he stopped playing basel on carpet but still plays
Gasstaad on clay, among the tournaments played in his home country...

He played Gasstaad on clay only once since becoming No. 1. He had planned to play Basel in 04 and 05, got injured both times.

 

[ultradr]

He didn't play during the fall in 04 and 05 indoor season. The point is if you don't play indoor events due to injury, you can't win titles. He won many non-carpet titles because he played them.

Yep, my posting already said that he skips indoor tournaments recently.
For example, he chose outdoor hard court of Tokyo instead of indoor
hard/carpet of other tournaments.
Why does he avoid indoor carpet then ?
Are you concluding he can win carpet if he plays then ??

 

[The tennis guy]

Yep, my posting already said that he skips indoor tournaments recently.
For example, he chose outdoor hard court of Tokyo instead of indoor
hard/carpet of other tournaments.
Why does he avoid indoor carpet then ?
Are you concluding he can win carpet if he plays then ??

He played in Thailand in 04 and 05 indoor events, and won both times.

You'll know the answer when he plays on carpet. Most players who can play great on grass can play great indoor.

 

[anointedone]

He had to miss the indoor seasons injured in 2004 and 2005 sure, but that does not prove it is why he never wins indoors. This year he is healthy and he wont win any Masters titles indoors since this is the time of the year the guys who cower in fear of Roger during the Grand Slam part of the season, just play their own tennis which for alot of them will beat Roger.

 

[Shabazza]

Yep, my posting already said that he skips indoor tournaments recently.
For example, he chose outdoor hard court of Tokyo instead of indoor
hard/carpet of other tournaments.
Why does he avoid indoor carpet then ?
Are you concluding he can win carpet if he plays then ??

Hello do you even read what TTG wrote????
He said Federer played Thailand indoor the last 2 years and won them - it's stupid to think he stoped playing there just cause he doesn't like indoor! Why wouldn't he like it if he wins - he just wanted a change this year and play in Tokio!

1. Tokio is a bigger tournament - more points and money

2. Federer takes his role as the Nr.1 very seriously and tries to help promote tennis in different countries like Japan this year for example.

Your reasoning that Federer doesn't like indoor tournaments is based on nothing.

 

[Shabazza]

He had to miss the indoor seasons injured in 2004 and 2005 sure, but that does not prove it is why he never wins indoors. This year he is healthy and he wont win any Masters titles indoors since this is the time of the year the guys who cower in fear of Roger during the Grand Slam part of the season, just play their own tennis which for alot of them will beat Roger.

Would you bet on it?

 

[The tennis guy]

He had to miss the indoor seasons injured in 2004 and 2005 sure, but that does not prove it is why he never wins indoors.

You are wrong already. He won indoor in 2 out of 4 events he played since he became No. 1.

This year he is healthy and he wont win any Masters titles indoors since this is the time of the year the guys who cower in fear of Roger during the Grand Slam part of the season, just play their own tennis which for alot of them will beat Roger.

I would wait and see. I am sure you have predicted Federer wouldn't win this or that before, and most of them didn't come true. Your logic doesn't make any sense. Why suddenly players won't fear him now, then suddenly fear him again starting next year?

 

[vive le beau jeu !]

Hello do you even read what TTG wrote????
He said Federer played Thailand indoor the last 2 years and won them - it's stupid to think he stoped playing there just cause he doesn't like indoor! Why wouldn't he like it if he wins - he just wanted a change this year and play in Tokio!

1. Tokio is a bigger tournament - more points and money

2. Federer takes his role as the Nr.1 very seriously and tries to help promote tennis in different countries like Japan this year for example.

Your reasoning that Federer doesn't like indoor tournaments is based on nothing.

i totally agree with this post...
you're right, this year roger wanted to eat sushis instead of pad thai !
he has the right to choose his menu : after all, he's the number one...

and i'm sure carpet suits roger's game !
if he didn't have had these injuries, he would have played more on this surface for sure...

 

[ultradr]

He played in Thailand in 04 and 05 indoor events, and won both times.
.

Thailand is indoor hard court, not carpet.

By the way, Dubai is indoor or outdoor ? Must be indoor right ?
I wouldn't play outdoor there...

 

[vive le beau jeu !]

Thailand is indoor hard court, not carpet.

By the way, Dubai is indoor or outdoor ? Must be indoor right ?
I wouldn't play outdoor there...

then i'm afraid you won't play there as it's outdoor...
so i cancel the reservation of the court for tonight ?

 

[Shabazza]

Thailand is indoor hard court, not carpet.

By the way, Dubai is indoor or outdoor ? Must be indoor right ?
I wouldn't play outdoor there...

Dubai is outdoor. It isn't that hot threre during that time of the year.

 

[illkhiboy]

Dubai is outdoor. It isn't that hot threre during that time of the year.

Yeah its pretty mild compared to the weather we had 2 weeks bak! Actually it does get quite hot in the day but nights are chilly in March.

 

[The tennis guy]

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