Federer's net stats in his Grand Slam finals

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  1. heathcliff

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    maybe...
    it´s surely possible to attack the opponents serve while he´s coming in. to win a point is one different thing.
     
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    2014 Wimbledon..........Lost to Djokovic..........5 sets..........44 of 67..........66%

    2015 Wimbledon..........Lost to Djokovic..........4 sets..........42 of 58..........72%

    2015 USO..........Lost to Djokovic..........4 sets..........39 of 59..........66%

    2017 AO..........d. Nadal..........5 sets..........29 of 40..........73%
     
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    When a player is winning much more than 50% of their points at net, I tend to think they haven't ventured to the net enough. If Federer could embrace all-courterer, I'd rate his chances at Wimbledon and the US Open much higher.
     
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    that's a wrong way to look at it.

    Take a look at this one for example:

    2012 Wimbledon..........d. Murray.......…….....4 sets............53 of 68............78% :::: 68 of 288............24%

    Federer approached the net 24% of the points and won 78% of the times. His 2nd highest in a wimbledon final ( after 03 final ) in terms of % of net points played out of the total # of points.
     
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    Formatting the final stats from krosero slam wise , also including the % of net points per total points ( updating from my previous post)

    Event -- win or loss --opponent---# of sets ---net approaches --net success rate -- no of net approaches per total points in match ---% of points played at net

    Wimbledon:

    2003 Wimbledon..........d. Philippoussis..........3 sets............20 of 29............69% :::: 29 of 195............15% (should be higher than this if we count approaches with unreturned serves)
    2004 Wimbledon..........d. Roddick..........…....4 sets............27 of 44............61% :::: 44 of 287............15%
    2005 Wimbledon..........d. Roddick..........……3 sets............17 of 25............68% :::: 25 of 175............14%
    2006 Wimbledon..........d. Nadal..........………4 sets............21 of 33............64% :::: 33 of 246............13%
    2007 Wimbledon..........d. Nadal..........………5 sets............30 of 51............59% :::: 51 of 323............16%
    2008 Wimbledon..........Lost to Nadal......…....5 sets............42 of 75............56%. :::: 75 of 413............18%
    2009 Wimbledon..........d. Roddick........….….5 sets............38 of 59............64% :::: 59 of 436............14%
    2012 Wimbledon..........d. Murray.......…….....4 sets............53 of 68............78% :::: 68 of 288............24%
    2014 Wimbledon..........lost to Djokovic........5 sets............44 of 67............66%::::67 of 366.............18%
    2015 Wimbledon..........lost to Djokovic........4 sets............42 of 58............72%::::58 of 286.............20%

    AO :

    2004 AO............d. Safin..........…….....3 sets............17 of 25............68% :::: 25 of 206............12%
    2006 AO............d. Baghdatis..........….4 sets............32 of 41............78% :::: 41 of 258............16%
    2007 AO............d. Gonzalez..........…...3 sets............34 of 43............79% :::: 43 of 213............20%
    2009 AO............lost to Nadal.........….5 sets............43 of 60............72% :::: 60 of 347............17%
    2010 AO............d. Murray..........……...3 sets............31 of 43............72% :::: 43 of 216............20%
    2017 AO............d. Nadal...................5 sets...........29 of 40............73% :::: 40 of 289.............14%

    USO :

    2004 USO..........……...d. Hewitt..........……..3 sets............31 of 35............89%. :::: 35 of 164............21%
    2005 USO.........……....d. Agassi..........……..4 sets............15 of 25............60% :::: 25 of 238............11%
    2006 USO..........……...d. Roddick........…......4 sets............26 of 38............68% :::: 38 of 225............17%
    2007 USO..........……...d. Djokovic..........…..3 sets............19 of 24............79% :::: 24 of 222............11%
    2008 USO..........……..d. Murray........….……3 sets............31 of 44............70% :::: 44 of 162............27%
    2009 USO..........……...lost to Del Potro........5 sets............31 of 47............66% :::: 47 of 352.............13%
    2015 USO.................lost to djokovic.........4 sets.............39 of 59...........66% :::: 59 of 292............20%

    RG :

    2006 French..........……lost to Nadal........….4 sets............30 of 41............73% :::: 41 of 230............18%
    2007 French..........……lost to Nadal..........…4 sets............21 of 34............62% :::: 34 of 255............13%
    2008 French..........……lost to Nadal........…..3 sets............18 of 42............43% :::: 42 of 144............29%
    2009 French..........……d. Soderling.........…...3 sets............9 of 11............82% :::: 11 of 170............6%
    2011 French..........……lost to Nadal........…..4 sets............30 of 41............73% :::: 41 of 273............15%
     
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    tennisabstract has Federer approaching the net 41 times, this includes 37 S&V attempts.

    http://www.tennisabstract.com/charting/20030706-M-Wimbledon-F-Roger_Federer-Mark_Philippousis.html

    That seems more correct to my recollection.
     
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    that still seems a bit low to me -- only ~21% of the points (41/195) at the net ? ( it was 24% in wim 12 final - I'd expect 03 final to be higher )

    Edit : but then maybe not, considering federer had 21 aces in the 03 final.

    a more accurate way would be to subtract the aces, service winners and DF points and then measure the % of net points per # of points ..
     
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    Hard to say. We know Federer S&V'd just under 50% of the time in 2003, though to my recollection that dropped off a bit towards the tail end of the slam.
     
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    just remembered this ...

    slice serve ace has federer at 54 S&V attempts in the match, 48 on 1st serve and 6 times on 2nd serve.

    https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...h-wimby-2003-final-stats.400104/#post-6054896

    so federer went to the net atleast on 54 points ( making % of net points atleast 54/195 = 27.7% )
     
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    Federer's stats in grand slam semis :

    Wimbledon

    2003 Wimbledon - d Roddick - 3 sets - 29 of 39 (74%) .... % of points at the net - 39 of 183 (21%) (should be higher than this if we count approaches with unreturned serves)
    2004 Wimbledon - d Grosjean - 3 sets - 28 of 37 (76%) .... % of points at the net - 37 of 197 (19%)
    2005 Wimbledon - d Hewitt - 3 sets - 14 of 22 (64%) .... % of points at the net - 22 of 196 (11%)
    2006 Wimbledon - d Bjorkman - 3 sets - 13 of 19 (68%) .... % of points at the net - 19 of 123 (15%)
    2007 Wimbledon - d Gasquet - 3 sets - 13 of 23 (57%) .... % of points at the net - 23 of 179 (13%)
    2008 Wimbledon - d Safin - 3 sets - 04 of 11 (36%) .... % of points at the net - 11 of 183 (6%)
    2009 Wimbledon - d Haas - 3 sets - 38 of 43 (88%) .... % of points at the net - 43 of 193 (23%)
    2012 Wimbledon - d Djokovic - 4 sets - 13 of 25 (52%) .... % of points at the net - 25 of 216 (12%)
    2014 Wimbledon - d Raonic - 3 sets - 24 of 32 (75%) .... % of points at the net - 32 of 164 (20%)
    2015 Wimbledon - d Murray - 3 sets - 29 of 42 (69%) ....% of points at the net - 42 of 198 (21%)
    2016 Wimbledon - Lost to Raonic - 5 sets - 25 of 37 (68%) ....% of points at the net - 37 of 327 (11%)

    AO :

    2004 AO - d Ferrero - 3 sets - 16 of 21 (76%) .... % of points at the net - 21 of 154 (14%)
    2005 AO - Lost to Safin - 5 sets - 52 of 68 (76%) .... % of points at the net - 68 of 395 (17%)
    2006 AO - d Kiefer - 4 sets - 19 of 24 (79%) .... % of points at the net - 24 of 228 (11%)
    2007 AO - d Roddick - 3 sets - 10 of 11 (91%) .... % of points at the net - 11 of 128 (9%) (roddick was 9 of 31(29%) at the net)
    2008 AO - Lost to Djokovic - 3 sets - 22 of 31 (71%) .... % of points at the net - 31 of 222 (14%)
    2009 AO - d Roddick - 3 sets - 17 of 27 (63%) .... % of points at the net - 27 of 190 (14%)
    2010 AO - d Tsonga - 3 sets - 22 of 30 (73%) .... % of points at the net - 30 of 139 (22%)
    2011 AO - Lost to Djokovic - 3 sets - 17 of 26 (65%) .... % of points at the net - 26 of 230 (11%)
    2012 AO - Lost to Nadal - 4 sets - 35 of 57 (61%) .... % of points at the net - 57 of 276 (21%)
    2013 AO - Lost to Murray - 5 sets - 29 of 44 (66%) .... % of points at the net - 44 of 328 (13%)
    2014 AO - Lost to Nadal - 3 sets - 23 of 42 (55%) .... % of points at the net - 42 of 191 (22%)
    2016 AO - Lost to Djokovic - 4 sets - 22 of 38 (58 %) ....% of points at the net - 38 of 197 (19%)
    2017 AO - d Wawrinka - 5 sets - 34 of 50 (68%) ....% of points at the net - 50 of 278 (18%)


    USO :

    2004 USO - d Henman - 3 sets - 11 of 20 (55%) .... % of points at the net - 20 of 158 (13%)
    2005 USO - d Hewitt - 4 sets - 34 of 49 (69%) .... % of points at the net - 49 of 290 (17%)
    2006 USO - d Davydenko - 3 sets - 13 of 20 (65%) .... % of points at the net - 20 of 166 (12%)
    2007 USO - d Davydenko - 3 sets - 20 of 30 (67%) .... % of points at the net - 30 of 210 (14%)
    2008 USO - d Djokovic - 4 sets - 18 of 30 (60%) .... % of points at the net - 30 of 249 (12%)
    2009 USO - d Djokovic - 3 sets - 29 of 36 (81%) .... % of points at the net - 36 of 224 (16%)
    2010 USO - Lost to Djokovic - 5 sets - 40 of 55 (73%) .... % of points at the net - 55 of 311 (18%)
    2011 USO - Lost to Djokovic - 5 sets - 18 of 27 (67%) .... % of points at the net - 27 of 304 (9%)
    2014 USO - Lost to Cilic - 3 sets - 11 of 23 (48%) .... % of points at the net - 23 of 165 (14%)
    2015 USO - d Wawrinka - 3 sets - 22 of 28 (79%) .... % of points at the net - 28 of 155 (18%)

    RG :

    2005 RG - Lost to Nadal - 4 sets - 36 of 59 (61%) .... % of points at the net - 59 of 239 (25%)
    2006 RG - d Nalbandian - 3 sets - 14 of 19 (74%) .... % of points at the net - 19 of 146 (13%)
    2007 RG - d Davydenko - 3 sets - 14 of 26 (54%) .... % of points at the net - 26 of 278 (9%)
    2008 RG - d Monfils - 4 sets - 49 of 64 (77%) .... % of points at the net - 64 of 286 (24%)
    2009 RG - d Del potro - 5 sets - 24 of 33 (73%) .... % of points at the net - 33 of 310 (11%)
    2011 RG - d Djokovic - 4 sets - 15 of 19 (79%) .... % of points at the net - 19 of 309 (6%)
    2012 RG - Lost to Djokovic - 3 sets - 12 of 16 (75%) .... % of points at the net - 16 of 177 (9%)
     
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