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bluescreen
Hall of Fame
yeah, im starting to lose faith in this thread. granted, its been only like a day, but the optimism just isnt there for me now.
LOL--Man, ease up, y’all--give the guy 24 hrs, at least!
If he’s working in the stringing room at the Open, they’re probably just a little bit busy there right now, what with 256 players, plus qualies (less those who get their stringing done elsewhere), all wanting their racquets done asap each day for their practices!
If he’s working in the stringing room at the Open, they’re probably just a little bit busy there right now, what with 256 players, plus qualies (less those who get their stringing done elsewhere), all wanting their racquets done asap each day for their practices!
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Do you own both a K90 and a PS 6.0 85? If so, you wouldn't say that and you would know exactly what I'm talking about. The throats are very different. On the K90, the angle is "cut out" of the frame (indented). On the PS 6.0, nothing is cut out, it's just flat with a curve, no angle.
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Ambivalent
Hall of Fame
He could totally take a pic of a slightly used k6.1 with fed's strings and the W logo and everyone will start to eblieve that Fed uses a genuine stock K6.1
TheShaun
Hall of Fame
yes, i think it was jura who did a nice review of fed's racquet. including pics of fed's stick side by side with a stock k90.
tennispro11
Hall of Fame
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Yes, here is is:
"Closing the Gap: As recreational players move away from wide-body, super-light rackets, many pros are retreating from skinny frames in battle-ax weights. Ron Rocchi of Wilson notes that the K Factor racket on sale in stores is all-but-identical to the one used by Roger Federer."
I also found this to be interesting from that WSJ article:
RACKET TECH CLIENTS PRICES
Warren Bosworth, Bosworth Tennis, Boca Raton, Fla., (561) 241-9966 Martina Navratilova, Monica Seles, Patrick Rafter, Nadia Petrova $25 to $150
Nate Ferguson, Priority One, Tampa, Fla., (813) 715-6411 Roger Federer, Novak Djokovic, Pete Sampras $50 to $200
Peter Gabriel, Racket Science, Wesley Chapel, Fla. (813) 949-4168 James Blake, Paul Goldstein $50 to $100
Roman Prokes, **** Tennis, New York, (212) 980-1555 Maria Sharapova, Andy Roddick, Andre Agassi $50 to $200
So that's what he's been up to since he left Genesis and retired from his solo rock n' roll career.
Sorry, BP is wrong on this one. Look at the nSix-One Tour 90 for a better idea. That white curved part at the throat is similar to Sampras's, but the red part is sharply angled. Look closely at Pete's racket, since the whole thing is black, you can't see the sharp angle. On Federer's racket, there is a little curve black material between the sharply angled white part, but it blends in to Federer's shirt as another poster stated.
That curved part is not part of the beam and is not a full 17/18 mm. If it were not there, part of a grommet tubing would be visible, and hiding the grommet tube is most likely the only reason the curved part is there.
I'm surprised BP, it's very noticeable in the nSix-One tour that the curved and sharply angled parts are both there.
Take a look at this picture. See the black parts?
That curved part is not part of the beam and is not a full 17/18 mm. If it were not there, part of a grommet tubing would be visible, and hiding the grommet tube is most likely the only reason the curved part is there.
I'm surprised BP, it's very noticeable in the nSix-One tour that the curved and sharply angled parts are both there.
Take a look at this picture. See the black parts?
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dragonxking
Rookie
Sorry, BP is wrong on this one. Look at the nSix-One Tour 90 for a better idea. That white curved part at the throat is similar to Sampras's, but the red part is sharply angled. Look closely at Pete's racket, since the whole thing is black, you can't see the sharp angle. On Federer's racket, there is a little curve black material between the sharply angled white part, but it blends in to Federer's shirt as another poster stated.
That curved part is not part of the beam and is not a full 17/18 mm. If it were not there, part of a grommet tubing would be visible, and hiding the grommet tube is most likely the only reason the curved part is there.
I'm surprised BP, it's very noticeable in the nSix-One tour that the curved and sharply angled parts are both there.
Take a look at this picture. See the black parts?
have you ever held a k90/n90 next to a ps85? if you did, you'd know that the throats are different
lemoneatrz
Rookie
when are pix coming?
Forehand Forever
Professional
They aren't. At least I don't think they are gonna come any time soon.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Sorry, BP is wrong on this one. Look at the nSix-One Tour 90 for a better idea. That white curved part at the throat is similar to Sampras's, but the red part is sharply angled. Look closely at Pete's racket, since the whole thing is black, you can't see the sharp angle. On Federer's racket, there is a little curve black material between the sharply angled white part, but it blends in to Federer's shirt as another poster stated.
That curved part is not part of the beam and is not a full 17/18 mm. If it were not there, part of a grommet tubing would be visible, and hiding the grommet tube is most likely the only reason the curved part is there.
I'm surprised BP, it's very noticeable in the nSix-One tour that the curved and sharply angled parts are both there.
Take a look at this picture. See the black parts?
You are so wrong on this, I don't know where to begin. I play with the nSix-One Tour 90 and own K90's and PS 6.0 95 and have owned PS 6.0 85's, so I ought to know.
On Federer's racquet, the angles are indented, cut out from the graphite. This is the shape of the mold. It is NOT flat in these two areas as it is on the PS 6.0 85/95. This means it has to be a different mold.
Do you see angled cutouts that are indented on this PS 6.0 85? It is flat and curved in the shape of a semi-circle, NOT a sharp indented angle.
Here's a pic of the Jack Kramer Staff which comes from the same mold as the PS 6.0 85. You can see the throat better since the color is not balck but lighter. Note the difference between the shape of the throat from this mold versus the shape of the throat from Federer's K90/nCode 90/PS Tour 90 mold.
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Misiti99
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Hey..I have not had a chance to post pix..and in due time I will. I apologize while I know there are many skeptics..and frankly i could care less. I work 14 hour days as the tournament has been backed upbecause of rain, and i am in player operations, which is directly next door to the stringing room. For anyone else who has been inside of ashe stadium, they know what i am talking about. I talked with the guy who collects all racquets from the players to string, and he told me that Fed is using a racquet of the same materials as Sampras' Pro Staff, except it is 100% 90 square inches. While I am no expert on racquet technology, this is all I know. I also know Nadal is using a AeroPro Drive..not the new cortex...I will take pix and let u know about other specs of racquets..is there anyone in particular this message board is interested in. And Fed has a 4 3/8 regular grip (not leather), underneath a wilson white overgrip....
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
I wonder how a guy who collects racquets for stringing would know that for sure? I think you pretty much have to be a Wilson racquet design engineer or be there in the factory in China when they actually make his racquet to know the exact composition of his racquet.
tennispro11
Hall of Fame
Thanks Misiti! I can't wait to see pics. Hey you could tell some stories as well. I'm sure you have some funny ones.
tennispro11
Hall of Fame
BP, give it a rest please. We know where you stand on this issue. Any thread that has a hint of what does Federer play with, you are on there. I think you are right after reading a few of your posts but let the OP post some pics and then we'll discuss it.
Ljubicic for number1
Hall of Fame
Not to sound harsh but getting racquets specs from a door man?
So Misiti99, am I to understand you are in the PR department for the US Open. That being the case, I can see Federer giving you a racquet. Personally I really don't care to see more pictures of Federer's racquet. What's that going to prove, I have seen plenty of them, even on this thread (and it looks identical to a K90). I would be more interested in strings and tension for this years' Open.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Yes, I'm waiting for the pics as well. But pics are not going to tell us what the material composition of Federer's racquet is, which has been the debate here from day one. That's why I was wondering how the guy that collects racquets happens to know for sure what materials are used in Federer's racquet?BP, give it a rest please. We know where you stand on this issue. Any thread that has a hint of what does Federer play with, you are on there. I think you are right after reading a few of your posts but let the OP post some pics and then we'll discuss it.
Did Federer himself tell him? Maybe, maybe not.We know what Federer's racquet looks like. There are millions of pics on the web of him holding his racquet. Thus, I'm not really sure what seeing these pics will accomplish. We'll all look at them and say - "Yup, that sure looks like Federer's racquet alright", just as we've seen a million times before. I think the truly valuable information is if he hit with Federer's racquet side-by-side with a retail K90 strung with the same strings at the same tension and with the two racquets weighted and balanced identically and then see if there's any perceived differences in feel. Either that or cut them both apart and bring it to a chemist to put them under a microscope.
Swissv2
Hall of Fame
wait a couple more days, then we call this guy's bluff.
50% of this board would say its fake anyways. 40% would insist its a PS 6.0 painted. 9% would state they are not interested but think Federer still has a paint job. and 1% would look at it and then endlessly debate that it couldn't be what Federer plays with anyways because he probably doesn't even "use a wilson".
50% of this board would say its fake anyways. 40% would insist its a PS 6.0 painted. 9% would state they are not interested but think Federer still has a paint job. and 1% would look at it and then endlessly debate that it couldn't be what Federer plays with anyways because he probably doesn't even "use a wilson".
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tennispro11
Hall of Fame
Yes, I'm waiting for the pics as well. But pics are not going to tell us what the material composition of Federer's racquet is, which has been the debate here from day one. That's why I was wondering how the guy that collects racquets happens to know for sure what materials are used in Federer's racquet?
We know what Federer's racquet looks like. There are millions of pics on the web of him holding his racquet. Thus, I'm not really sure what seeing these pics will accomplish. We'll all look at them and say - "Yup, that sure looks like Federer's racquet alright", just as we've seen a million times before. I think the truly valuable information is if he hit with Federer's racquet side-by-side with a retail K90 strung with the same strings at the same tension and with the two racquets weighted and balanced identically and then see if there's any perceived differences in feel. Either that or cut them both apart and bring it to a chemist to put them under a microscope.
Good points. I think we should take them to a chemist and let him tell us.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
I know. That shocks me as well. That alone has me suspecting if this is really Federer's racquet.
vsbabolat
Talk Tennis Guru
You are so wrong on this, I don't know where to begin. I play with the nSix-One Tour 90 and own K90's and PS 6.0 95 and have owned PS 6.0 85's, so I ought to know.
On Federer's racquet, the angles are indented, cut out from the graphite. This is the shape of the mold. It is NOT flat in these two areas as it is on the PS 6.0 85/95. This means it has to be a different mold.
Do you see angled cutouts that are indented on this PS 6.0 85? It is flat and curved in the shape of a semi-circle, NOT a sharp indented angle.
Here's a pic of the Jack Kramer Staff which comes from the same mold as the PS 6.0 85. You can see the throat better since the color is not balck but lighter. Note the difference between the shape of the throat from this mold versus the shape of the throat from Federer's K90/nCode 90/PS Tour 90 mold.
I know what you are saying about Federer's racquet having grooves in the throat as I like to say. I found some photos of Federer when he first switched to his Tour 90 mold racquet in the middle of 2002. The racquet has a paint job of the Hyper Pro Staff 6.0 and with the red paint in the throat you can see the groove better.
I truly believe that the mold of the racquet that Federer has been using for the last 5 years Wilson is selling to the consumer with the Ksix-one Tour 90 finally. Now whether or not Federer's layup is being sold in the consumer Ksix-one Tour 90 I don't know but it is the same mold as Federer's racquet.
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BreakPoint
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Yes, that is a PS Tour 90 with a HPS 6.0 Tour 95 paintjob over it. This is when Federer first got the PS Tour 90 in the middle of 2002. He did not switch over to the retail black paintjob until the spring of 2003.I know what you are saying about Federer's racquet having grooves in the throat as I like to say. I found some photos of Federer when he first switched to his Tour 90 mold racquet in the middle of 2002. The racquet has a paint job of the Hyper Pro Staff 6.0 and with the red paint in the throat you can see the groove better.
I truly believe that the mold of the racquet that Federer has been using for the last 5 years Wilson is selling to the consumer with the Ksix-one Tour 90 finally. Now whether or not Federer's layup is being sold in the consumer Ksix-one Tour 90 I don't know but it is the same mold as Federer's racquet.
The PS Tour 90 comes from the same mold (I believe) as both the nCode 90 and the K90. All three have the same shaped throat and all three appear to come from the same mold. The throat on the retail HPS 6.0 Tour 95 is different and is the same as the throat on the PS 6.0 95 Original as they both come from the same mold.
Also note the dense string pattern in the center of the racquet in both of the pics above of the PS Tour 90 (with red HPS 6.0 Tour 95 paintjob). 5 crosses at the PWS instead of 4. This was before Federer asked Wilson to custom drill the frames for him for wider string spacing in the center. That happened only after he had been using the retail black PS Tour 90 paintjob for a while but before he switched to the red and white nCode 90 paintjob.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
But they could both still be the exact same racquet from the same mold, just drilled differently after they come out of the mold.
vsbabolat
Talk Tennis Guru
That is what I think. I was just trying to show the grooves in the throat and that it is the same mold Federer uses today and that is being sold with the Ksix-one Tour 90. Changing the drill pattern is no big deal. Look at Tecnifibre they offer racquets out of the same mold with different drill patterns.
TennisFrkJC92
Rookie
That doesn't look like Federer's signature
Marius_Hancu
Talk Tennis Guru
MaximRecoil
Rookie
What does someone's signature look like? My fast and lazy signature looks nothing like my slow and careful signature -- except maybe to a handwriting expert with a magnifying glass.
In any event, the signature is real, well, a real facsimile anyway. I doubt Federer sat down and hand-signed all 2,000 of them. It is from an official Wilson of Japan product -- http://wilson-ncode.jp/products/nsix1_tour_federer_page1.html
You can see the exact same facsimile signature on the racket itself there, and I doubt Wilson would forge a signature:
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nickarnold2000
Hall of Fame
Who caries what Federer plays with! All you guys need to get a life and actually get out there and play. Or, failing that, donate your seemingly "endless extra time' to improving the world in some way.
Pete.Sampras.
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This thread is worthless without pics
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