Federer's racquet in 2018 Laver Cup

Tennease

Legend
I hear news that Roger will be using a different racquet in 2018 Laver Cup. In China, there are talks that its a a full red paint job Wilson RF Autograph. Any pics? :)
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Please note: this Laver Cup RF97 features a thin synthetic grip (rather than the leather grip that comes with the standard version). This typically results in a lighter static weight and a slightly more HH balance, but the specs of this edition are coming in within tolerances of the standard version, so we haven't changed the specs.


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Please note: this Laver Cup RF97 features a thin synthetic grip (rather than the leather grip that comes with the standard version). This typically results in a lighter static weight and a slightly more HH balance, but the specs of this edition are coming in within tolerances of the standard version, so we haven't changed the specs.


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I suppose they thought black looked better with the red colour than leather (and would not bother about getting black leather?) It might not be a bad thing for playability with a little less weight in the grip, that is supposedly one of the differences between the retail model and Federers setup. But I agree that it is worrying, if a say 10 gram reduction in grip weight is "within tolerances".
 

Crashbaby

Semi-Pro
Ok, so I initially had a real issue with blue team Federer using a red racquet. I must admit it does look nice against the blue clothing and as another poster mentioned it syncs in perfectly with the red uniqlo logo on Feds shirt. Gives a nice contrast to his look.

Does anyone know how limited this reallly is? The last black and gold Laver Rf97 is rare and super expensive. It had Laver call outs on it. Is the Red gong to be collectable and appreciate in value or have Wilson made thousands of them?
 

ron schaap

Hall of Fame
Like some folks collect stamps, real Fed fans collect his racquets. Time will tell if thats a good investment. I cant imagine these black, black and white, red, and.. versions are all different. At least Nadal earns his different coloured racquets by winning the French each time ;)
 

JEDI MASTER

Professional
Bit the bullet and ordered one of these.. just arrived a few moments ago..
it's a beautiful racquet... the red is perfect...
with free Lux 125 Alupower and free Wilson duffel bag.
the bag is pretty nice too!..
 

ttc2000

Rookie
Bit the bullet and ordered one of these.. just arrived a few moments ago..
it's a beautiful racquet... the red is perfect...
with free Lux 125 Alupower and free Wilson duffel bag.
the bag is pretty nice too!..
I bought 3 and keeping one as a collectors item.

I've replaced the thin synthetic grip with Kimony Techni leather grip 0.8mm, which doesn't change the unstrung static weight.

Added Yonex Super Grap, power pads and string savers with Head Velocity MLT 16g mains and Head Hawk Rough 17g crosses at tension 57.5/54 IBS.

I am using the Sergetti System for stringing so the above tension becomes 55.4 IBS for reference.

By far the heaviest RF97A and head heavy.

Very good for serving big flat ones or a kick serve and groundstrokes are deep.

Defensive play the slice is very good and enough spin on topspin shots to keep the opposition honest.

Volleys a little issue because it's a heady heavy racquet meaning the quick reflex volleys aren't like the previous iterations.

Otherwise you have to get yourself super fit to last a full 2-3 hours with a full on leather grip.

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I bought 3 and keeping one as a collectors item.

I've replaced the thin synthetic grip with Kimony Techni leather grip 0.8mm, which doesn't change the unstrung static weight.

Added Yonex Super Grap, power pads and string savers with Head Velocity MLT 16g mains and Head Hawk Rough 17g crosses at tension 57.5/54 IBS.

I am using the Sergetti System for stringing so the above tension becomes 55.4 IBS for reference.

By far the heaviest RF97A and head heavy.

Very good for serving big flat ones or a kick serve and groundstrokes are deep.

Defensive play the slice is very good and enough spin on topspin shots to keep the opposition honest.

Volleys a little issue because it's a heady heavy racquet meaning the quick reflex volleys aren't like the previous iterations.

Otherwise you have to get yourself super fit to last a full 2-3 hours with a full on leather grip.

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Its more head heavy for you because they kept the pallet specs the same but used a synthetic grip instead of leather. If you use leather or lead to make the balance more headlight then you’ll get less fatigued. HH racquets are much more tiring.


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Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
I bought 3 and keeping one as a collectors item.

I've replaced the thin synthetic grip with Kimony Techni leather grip 0.8mm, which doesn't change the unstrung static weight.

Added Yonex Super Grap, power pads and string savers with Head Velocity MLT 16g mains and Head Hawk Rough 17g crosses at tension 57.5/54 IBS.

I am using the Sergetti System for stringing so the above tension becomes 55.4 IBS for reference.

By far the heaviest RF97A and head heavy.

Very good for serving big flat ones or a kick serve and groundstrokes are deep.

Defensive play the slice is very good and enough spin on topspin shots to keep the opposition honest.

Volleys a little issue because it's a heady heavy racquet meaning the quick reflex volleys aren't like the previous iterations.

Otherwise you have to get yourself super fit to last a full 2-3 hours with a full on leather grip.

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will this racket be worth tousands of dollors one day becoming collector's item ?
 

ttc2000

Rookie
Its more head heavy for you because they kept the pallet specs the same but used a synthetic grip instead of leather. If you use leather or lead to make the balance more headlight then you’ll get less fatigued. HH racquets are much more tiring.


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One RF97A is 367g and the other is 363g I can play around 2-2.5 hours as I've been training since 2015 with 360g+.

The 2 all black RF97A I used to play with were both 362g with the same mods with 4 g lead in the handle as well.

The red Laver Cup edition is definitely heavier, so if I use a full on leather grip the static weight will be too much to handle for 2 hours+.

I've hit with all the RF97A's and owned 2014, 2016 and 2018 Red.

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One RF97A is 367g and the other is 363g I can play around 2-2.5 hours as I've been training since 2015 with 360g+.

The 2 all black RF97A I used to play with were both 362g with the same mods with 4 g lead in the handle as well.

The red Laver Cup edition is definitely heavier, so if I use a full on leather grip the static weight will be too much to handle for 2 hours+.

I've hit with all the RF97A's and owned 2014, 2016 and 2018 Red.

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I get what you’re saying, but have you ever hit with a head heavy racquet before? The more HH a racquet is, the more resistance your muscles have to exert to stop it, when compared to a more headlight racquet of the same static weight. The weight is farther away from your hand, so the centrifugal force gets magnified. Static weight is only part of the equation too, you also have to factor in things like swing weight. SW is most increased by adding lead to the 12, so it follows that if all other factors are even, the HH racquet will have a higher SW. That’s one of the reasons why the majority of pros use HL balances with high swing weights, it allows for easier acceleration.

Put some weight in the handle of the racquet and you’ll see what I’m talking about.


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ttc2000

Rookie
I get what you’re saying, but have you ever hit with a head heavy racquet before? The more HH a racquet is, the more resistance your muscles have to exert to stop it, when compared to a more headlight racquet of the same static weight. The weight is farther away from your hand, so the centrifugal force gets magnified. Static weight is only part of the equation too, you also have to factor in things like swing weight. SW is most increased by adding lead to the 12, so it follows that if all other factors are even, the HH racquet will have a higher SW. That’s one of the reasons why the majority of pros use HL balances with high swing weights, it allows for easier acceleration.

Put some weight in the handle of the racquet and you’ll see what I’m talking about.


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I've done all of the lead tape experiment testing in the past and play better when it's @ 2 and 10. Eventually I decided to put nothing in the hoop and only lead on the handle.

Due to the fact this Red RF97A is 367g with string savers, power pads, Yonex Super grap and Kimony Techni leather grip I am not willing to put anymore weight to increase static weight or balance it out.

It will be in the 370g+ category if I do my usual mod of another 4g lead on the handle.

I've played with HH setups before, but struggle with volleys and control at times because I'm quite a hard hitter.

I'm 35 now and NTRP 5.0.

I am not a pro, so don't have any reason to go up to the realms 370g or more in static weight because I would like a racquet that I can maneuver and play an all court game for 2 to 2.5 hours.

Hats off to you if you hit with 370g or more.

I would have done this if I was 5 years younger.

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I would disagree that adding weight to the grip makes a racket more manouverable. Specially an allready HL racket like the RF97. I play both my RF97 and PS Classic with 2-3 overgrips, instead of leather+overgrip. And am enjoying the 12-14 grams weight I save, and still a decent HL balance of 32-32,5 cm's.
 

ttc2000

Rookie
how's your elbow,shoulder...etc...holding up?....
I'm quite lucky that they are healthy and now giving me any issues.

However too much hard courts are giving my knees a toll if I play too much.

I coach 2 times a week and play at least twice a week.

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ttc2000

Rookie
I would disagree that adding weight to the grip makes a racket more manouverable. Specially an allready HL racket like the RF97. I play both my RF97 and PS Classic with 2-3 overgrips, instead of leather+overgrip. And am enjoying the 12-14 grams weight I save, and still a decent HL balance of 32-32,5 cm's.
I did not say putting weight on the handle makes the racquet more maneuverable.

If you hit with the RF97A Red you will know what I mean because it's HH, unlike the other iterations.

The reason I put weight on the handle is to reduce vibration and most importantly the countering of the force when the racquet head is pushed back on an incoming heavy ball @collision.

Therefore the racquet head will be more resistant from being pushed back on impact of the heavy incoming ball.

I have experimented for a long time with swing weight, twist weight and adding weight in the handle.

With more weight in the handle this will slow down the forward motion of the handle and the backward motion of the head.

Weight in the handle shifts the balance point closer to the butt and it also increases the racquet’s resistance to rotation.

This means the head will have less backward rotation, extra weight in the handle makes the racquet feel more solid or more stable and easier to control.

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ttc2000

Rookie
I think they did this red racquet, white grip, to go with the Uniqlo logo.
Well, it would have been better with a white leather grip, but they just released it with a thin black synthetic grip.

I removed it straight away and put on a thin leather grip and white overgrip.

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Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
what is it about Red paint that Federer doesn't like ? he said it feels different than black paint racket. he seemed to be playing awesome in Laver cup with the red racket
 

ttc2000

Rookie
what is it about Red paint that Federer doesn't like ? he said it feels different than black paint racket. he seemed to be playing awesome in Laver cup with the red racket
He said that?

Wilson only let him use it for the Laver Cup 2018 to make it an exclusive marketing tactic.

I agree with you that he played very well with it especially when the chips were down against Isner. He came out on top.


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Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
He said that?

Wilson only let him use it for the Laver Cup 2018 to make it an exclusive marketing tactic.

I agree with you that he played very well with it especially when the chips were down against Isner. He came out on top.


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yea roger didn't like the red paint. He said it made the frame feel different, slight different feel. and with genius with that sensitive of feel, even the very slight different feel of the frame due to different PJ, makes a huge difference in confidence
 

ttc2000

Rookie
yea roger didn't like the red paint. He said it made the frame feel different, slight different feel. and with genius with that sensitive of feel, even the very slight different feel of the frame due to different PJ, makes a huge difference in confidence
Lol, I think he played well with the N90.

He is saying that because he won 3 grandslams with the all black RF97A.

The tuxedo produced a nightmare for him in Wimbledon QF against Anderson, but to be honest I think Wimbledon didn't want him to win so easily.

They put him on no.1 court which he hasn't played on for 3 years. The speed and bounce is different to centre court.

Then Roger lost his forehand until the Nitto World Tour Finals.

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ttc2000

Rookie
Here is a post from earlier this month on another thread.

I strung one red RF97A on 17th Nov with the Sergetti system and another one on 11th Nov the traditional way.

Sergetti RF97 is strung with Head Velocity MLT 16g mains and Head Hawk Rough 17g crosses @57.5/54 IBS, but then it is calculated to be 55.4 IBS reference tension.

With the above setup I have played with it strung the traditional method as well, but strung the Sergetti system it is a lot better.

Although it takes much longer to string.

Traditional RF97 is strung with Gosen OG Sheep Micro 16g mains and Hear Velocity MLT 16g @55/53 IBS.


Below are my results.
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Report the Sergetti strung racquet does play very well and absorbs vibration.

It's indeed an optimisation of the whole string bed and plays better than the traditional way of stringing.

However tonight I played 3 sets, 2 sets were with the Sergetti strung racquet I lost 0-6, 4-6 and then I played with the OGSM/V strung racquet in the 3rd set.

I seemed to like the OGSM/ V strung at 55/53 IBS more than the V/ Hawk Rough with ref tension of 55.4 IBS FWIW.

The set was unfinished and I was 3-5 down.

My friends racquet is the blade 98 16x19 cv, strung by me with V/ RPM blast @55.5/52 IBS and he is NTRP 5.5.

I was struggling with his short and wide forehands the spin he got was dragging me way of court.

I had to hit humongous serves just to hold serve and any half hearted shots were put away by him.

He thanked me alot for recommending V/ rpm blast.
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I will hit with the Sergetti system RF97 for the 2nd time tonight to see how it plays.

I haven't hit a ball for 10 days now.
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12oz

Rookie
Interesting I am thinking about doing the same to my Red Laver cup RFs with replacing the syn grip with a Kimony techni

Can you let me know:

Was the static weight exactly the same?
In terms of thickness if Kimony is 0.8mm, what was the syn grip? I heard by using Kimony techni it actually makes you lose 1 grip size..


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ttc2000

Rookie
Interesting I am thinking about doing the same to my Red Laver cup RFs with replacing the syn grip with a Kimony techni

Can you let me know:

Was the static weight exactly the same?
In terms of thickness if Kimony is 0.8mm, what was the syn grip? I heard by using Kimony techni it actually makes you lose 1 grip size..


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I actually measured the weight with the syn grip and Kimony Techni and it made no difference to static weight.

I didn't measure the grips weight unfortunately, but if I remember correctly the kimony techni is 6g.

I would say the Kimony techni is thinner because I'm using a grip 3 and it reduced the grip size to grip 2.

Do you find that this Red RF97 plays heavier than the rest with a HH balance?

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12oz

Rookie
Weirdly enough I bought two racquets and they were perfectly matched pairs. Strung with free alu power 1.25 no o/grip static weight was 357g but sw was 325 and balance was 11pts HL.

So no these came in very HL and with low sw. I had to put a whole heap of lead at 3&9 just to get it back to my preferred 9pts HL, 340sw and 365g

Bummer I was afraid you were going to say it would drop a grip size!


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ttc2000

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Weirdly enough I bought two racquets and they were perfectly matched pairs. Strung with free alu power 1.25 no o/grip static weight was 357g but sw was 325 and balance was 11pts HL.

So no these came in very HL and with low sw. I had to put a whole heap of lead at 3&9 just to get it back to my preferred 9pts HL, 340sw and 365g

Bummer I was afraid you were going to say it would drop a grip size!


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Then you're lucky.

The best matched ones I got was the 2 all Black 2016 models.

The 2014 models I had 4 and the worst was 9g too light, so I took it back to the pro shop and swapped it.

This time round I didn't have them weighed for the Red RF97A, but I returned my 2nd one because it had pubic hair glued to the butt cap going onto the bottom of the handle.

Exchanged it and now there is a 4g difference in weight after all the mods with the 1st and 2nd one.

That's how poor Wilson's quality control is.

I ended up selling the 4 2014 RF97's and 2 Black RF97's.

Now I have 3 red RF97's and I'm keeping one as a collector's item.

The all black has a lower twist weight and a lighter leather grip, so it's easier too hit with than the 2014.

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12oz

Rookie
I never truly switched over with black and red RF, bought one but never felt right! Stuck to the 90s at that point.

I got the black ones and the first one felt right about on spec, maybe slightly higher sw - 337. Bought another one and it came in at about 320sw. Shocking QC really.
Took awhile to get the lead placement right to matched them.

White and blacks have 2 and they are within 2-3g of one another but balance point again was too HL and one was way more HL than the already HL racquets.

So I got lucky with the red laver ones but the feel is not right without leather grip. Not sure what to do?


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