Federers Rally-Revenge vs Nadal at the AO Eight Years Later
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Lol nadal fans trying to say he is always injured and had mental issues with confidence so djok beat downs dont count and has heavily declined and fed is always playing at peak prime... then these nadal fans suddenly realise that all this means that they are basically saying nadal is physically feeble, mentally feeble and far less of an athlete than federer. Nadal isnt even a better athlete or physical specimen so doesnt even have that attribute in an GOAT debate. Although GOAT debate is dead. Nadal is not in any GOAT debate
Lol if they think fed hasnt declined and nadal has fine even better nadal is even worse of an athlete than fed than we all though. Lol theyre basically saying federer has a 15 year peak. This puts him so far out of nadals league that should we even ecer mention nadal? He isnt in the same breath as a guy who has a 15 year peak. No comparison
MichaelNadal
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Epic because even his biggest haters have their alarms set at 2,3,4am no matter who he's playing and watch every match, sitting closer to their tv's than I do
Fed is GOAT, but he's certainly someone I'm not waking up to watch. Errybodyandtheymomma up in here watches every single thing Nadal does.
AiRFederer
Hall of Fame
Lmao at nadal being more interesting than fed. Thats more insulting than claiming hes better than him.Epic because even his biggest haters have their alarms set at 2,3,4am no matter who he's playing and watch every match, sitting closer to their tv's than I do
Epic because even his biggest haters have their alarms set at 2,3,4am no matter who he's playing and watch every match, sitting closer to their tv's than I do
Dude i dont think your a troll and yojr probably just a bit defensive with so many fed fans here but seriously you belive that BS? I can guarantee you many fed fans find nothing more boring than watching a 6 hour nadal match to beat a 100 ranked player and will certainly not be waking up for it. Reading score will suffice. Nadal vs fed on the other hand ohhhh yeah id wake up 3.30am for that. Nadal vs del potro i wouldnt wake up for but would be pretty good
Who told you Nadal is Federer's rival? According to VB, Nadal in his "weakened state" cannot be considered Federer's main rival. Federer's main rival is Cilic because they contested Wimbledon and AO.
All the players will give everything they own if they could win two slams, sweep the clay seaon and be number one in their "weakened state." Poor Nadal. Can't catch a break.
Tennis_Hands
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zagor
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Epic because even his biggest haters have their alarms set at 2,3,4am no matter who he's playing and watch every match, sitting closer to their tv's than I do
Oh but many TW Nadal fans follow Fed just as fervently, they show up like clockwork in near every Fed match thread (especially if he loses a set) and seem to concern themselves very deeply with his match schedule, whether he's playing under a roof, whether he's skipping CC season etc.
Nadal is indeed epic though, on that front I don't disagree.
MichaelNadal
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It's true though
You get what im saying, and I get what you're saying, which is why at the end we always get along. No need answering fresh green trolls on here. I have no ill-will toward Fed, I just don't find him nearly as must-see.
Epic because even his biggest haters have their alarms set at 2,3,4am no matter who he's playing and watch every match, sitting closer to their tv's than I do
I thought Killerboi and The Order were Nadal fans?
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Why? Being interesting is personal preference, nothing to do with intelligence.More insulting to the intelligence of the person who said it.
MichaelNadal
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Nadal makes every match an episode of Spartacus. No one else does that. It is what it is. You have to have snacks ready when it's time for #KingRafa
zagor
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No doubt, just like Bagdathis was Fed's main rival in 2004-2007 given that Rafa was still wearing diapers and a pacifier.
All the players will give everything they own if they could win two slams, sweep the clay seaon and be number one in their "weakened state." Poor Nadal. Can't catch a break.
It is one of the sweetest things about Fed's current win streak, that it came in one of Nadal's career best seasons.
Much harder to spin things though no doubt, as evidenced by this thread little bulls are certainly gonna try.
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MichaelNadal
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Steve0904
Talk Tennis Guru
You know what's going on though
Nadal is so epic, his news thread needed a 2.0
Sure I do. I follow tennis.
Yep, they are trying really hard. But we are not buying what they are selling.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Because Federer is a more complete tennis player.
You can like less, but to say that less is more interesting than more is either disingenuous or just... dumb.
Yeah, and that's why we don't understand you. What Rafa does is impressive, I appreciate it, but it's not rare. You find amazing athleticism and work ethic and mentality in many sports.It's true though
You get what im saying, and I get what you're saying, which is why at the end we always get along. No need answering fresh green trolls on here. I have no ill-will toward Fed, I just don't find him nearly as must-see.
But finding creativity is much rarer, that's why people like Fed are special, and it's hard for us you guys don't see that.
It's not about 20 majors and the records, and this is why we are so frustrated that you guys don't see that.
MichaelNadal
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Feather
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Epic because even his biggest haters have their alarms set at 2,3,4am no matter who he's playing and watch every match, sitting closer to their tv's than I do
I have disagreement here!
I never claimed even once that Federer is GOAT. I don't believe in GOAT. Secondly, I don't wake up at 2,3,4 am to watch Rafa.
The only players I do that other than Roger is Stan/del Potro.
Such a sweeeping generalization is so wrong
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
So is taking me seriously ALL OF A SUDDEN today.
I'll leave the thread it's REALLY not that serious.Tennis_Hands
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Nadal makes every match an episode of Spartacus. No one else does that. It is what it is. You have to have snacks ready when it's time for #KingRafa
Even those in which he looks miserable while being taken apart and makes excuses after them (sometimes years after them)?
Steve0904
Talk Tennis Guru
Imma need you guys to lighten up today. Jesus Hector Christ
I'm pretty relaxed here actually. Just woke up. Haven't had time to break stuff yet. Do I need more smilies for my zen state to come across on the interwebz
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
I'm pretty relaxed here actually. Just woke up. Haven't had time to break stuff yet. Do I need more smilies for my zen state to come across on the interwebz
Yes
and are you caught up on super?
For the others:
please listen and enjoy, I hope you're offended
#GetIntoThisEpicness #RevivalTennis_Hands
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Imma need you guys to lighten up today. Jesus Hector Christ
I am taking the wife to a dinner with some friends tonight (it just happens that it is a V-day, we often celebrate V-days).
Where are you taking Rafa?
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
I am taking the wife to a dinner with some friends tonight (it just happens that it is a V-day, we often celebrate V-day).
Where are you taking Rafa?
My name is not Octobrina
Tennis_Hands
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Tiki-Taka
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SlayNadal makes every match an episode of Spartacus. No one else does that. It is what it is. You have to have snacks ready when it's time for #KingRafa
MichaelNadal
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Steve0904
Talk Tennis Guru
Yes
and are you caught up on super?
For the others:
please listen and enjoy, I hope you're offended
I listened to a few of the songs when I first saw they came up on YouTube. River is my favourite. I have a handful of favourite Eminem songs, but rap is not my thing as a rule.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Great album, took 2-3 listens before I appreciated (which is usually the case for me with my fav music)
The river video comes out in 2.5 hrs
Chanwan
G.O.A.T.
if we're being honest, it has more to do with a bunch of women here being completely and utterly in love with him and thus needing photo updates of him 5 times a dayYou know what's going on though
Nadal is so epic, his news thread needed a 2.0
Steve0904
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Never said 2009 was Federer’s peak. What I wrote was AO2009 first four sets were the highest level of tennis I’ve seen.
Why should this keep you up at night in a cold sweat? Is it not possible the straight setters in 07, 06, 05 and wherever else were not quite against the sort of fire and brimstone competitor Nadal was?
And is it not possible irrespective of peaks and primes, a match, a set, heck one game, can perhaps produce the highest level between two players?
Your problem Zagor, is you don’t know how to handle someone agreeing with you.
I wasn’t at all being sarcastic in saying both Fed and Nadal were amazing in 2009, and I’m doubly glad he’s managed to get that monkey off his back.
Zagor’s Rally Revenge. I like that!
kOaMaster
Hall of Fame
@zagor vs @MichaelNadal in here is alsmost as intense as those two rallies - although I wouldn't get up at 3am for you guys
Didn't even realise that, you are right. Talking about mental toughness...
Federev
G.O.A.T.
I really love the beautiful simplicity of this post.
zagor
Bionic Poster
I wasn't being saracstic in my post either. Good for Nadal to finish #1 ahead of 36 year old Fed and win USO without facing a 25 ranked player, he's an inspiration.
However, no comparison. He wouldn't have had those results against the 2009 field.
Poisoned Slice
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Epic because even his biggest haters have their alarms set at 2,3,4am no matter who he's playing and watch every match, sitting closer to their tv's than I do
Cool story bro.
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Is it remotely possible your contempt/loathing/hatred for Nadal [or his fans] is a fraction more stronger then your love/joy for Federer?
This would make you a Dark Lord. In which case, Zagor is a fine name.
Darth Zagor.
I like it.
@Hitman >>> it's been further modified to Darth Zagor's Rally Revenge. He's a Sith.
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fedtennisphan
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Epic because even his biggest haters have their alarms set at 2,3,4am no matter who he's playing and watch every match, sitting closer to their tv's than I do
20.
noobforehand20
Professional
the first one was better, the second one was more epic given that it was in the middle of federer comeback and without it who knows maybe nadal could have been given a chance to claw back, 2009 one happened at a relatively lower importance moment in the match
zagor
Bionic Poster
Thanks, awesome post!
One can clearly see that Fed's current forehand is far inferior than the 2009 level. But what is different is that Fed is striking the ball a lot sooner giving Nadal a lot less reaction time. And of course, Nadal losing some of that explosive athleticism only helped.
Fed has tactically and strategically changed. It doesn't matter how much you can hit the wow shots. What matters is winning the crucial points, and Fed simply could not hold it together in 2009...he can in 2017.
Edit: Watched the first point again. Fed basically gave away the point after Nadal's incredible retrieval by hitting a very weak backhand. Fed should have been prepared and just positioned himself to blast a forehand winner and ended the point - he had ample time to do this. This simply doesn't happen in 2017. Now, one can say Nadal doesn't retrieve like that in 2017 either, but note that Nadal's retrieval was preceded by Fed's own incredible forehand retrieval. In essence, Fed was simply strategically and mentally overmatched in 2009. He was in the driver's seat for most of this point, and he still managed to lose it!
Yes, and if you look at their career match count, Federer has hundreds more matches on his body. Last I look it was like 400 more matches.
TheFifthSet
G.O.A.T.
Perhaps off the ground, but Federer's serve was pretty horrendous; I believe that out of 380+ slam matches of his that are charted on TA, the 2009 AO final was his 370th (or so) best in terms of first serve %. Rare serving off day in a big match.
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True. I’m so glad his Claydal demons seem to be behind him. It was a difficult stretch 2008 - 2015 seeing him tense up every time he seemed to be across Nadal.
mike danny
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Or even better, they said Nadal wasn't yet at his best on HC when Fed was beating during winter and spring. So when did Nadal actually play his best on HC last year? In Montreal an Cincy where he was beaten by Shapo and Nick, in the New York challenger, in Beijing where Kyrgios self-destructed an Nadal was MP down against Pouille in the 2nd round or in Beijing where Fed routined him?
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