Federer's short forehand stroke...How?

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  1. Montana Realty

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    I was watching video of Federer vs. Hewitt at the AOpen. I'm always in awe of federer's game, its truly perplexing some time. One of the shots that particularly stood out was that Forehand that he takes a full cut at and it lands(almost dies) short in the court.

    Can anyone break that stroke down and tell us how he does it?
     
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  2. James Brown

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    its a half volley off the rise with EXTREME topspin that lands short in the court....uh...yeah...good luck hitting that with consistancy...lol :>
     
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  3. JohnThomas1

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    I remember that shot vividly and there is no way he could have meant it to finish like that, surely. Amazing that was. People don't talk of his forehand enough, surely it is close to the best in the game.
     
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  4. edge

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    Semi-western will a high velocity stroke giving extreme topspin.
     
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  5. ibemadskillzz

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    His forehand doesn't have a traditional wrap around the neck finish, but it finishes around his waist, sometimes he likes to take the ball as soon as it starts rising like a half volley full swing.
     
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  6. Max G.

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    My suggestion - don't try that at home. It's just him - he knows the right time to do it, and can pull it off. If he hits it at the wrong time, or hits it a bit too deep, he'll be punished for it - but he executes it with perfection.

    It seems like it is similar to a short angle - except without the "angle" part of it, if that makes any sense.
     
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  7. jun

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    you know what...
    he hit that shot more than once. I don't think it was fluke. On those times, Hewitt was way behind baseline.
     
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  8. James Brown

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    he did hit it more than once. He did it vs hewitt, vs roddick (or phili,id have to check, at wimbledon 2003) and im pretty sure he did it to agassi at indian wells.

    Its 100% intentional and its ridiculous as hell.
     
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  9. hangzhou

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    He did that forehand multiple times at Wimbledon 2003 and Master Series final vs. Agassi/Roddick.

    He also has similar backhand shots, I saw couple of times in the match vs. Agassi at Houston.

    I guess that's one of his signature shots now. Unbelieve topspin, and looks so easy and effective for passing shots coz it opens up the whole net for him.

    No clue on how he can consistantly reproduce them. Maybe he just barely scratch the balls...
     
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  10. ChiefAce

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    He finishes lower on his forehand (not over the shoulder as often) and on those shots the ball lands much shorter in the court. I experimented with this finish myself and most pros are copying this or already doing it. Just try it yourself, don't follow through over the shoulder. Finish below the shoulder and don't extend as much as you would when you try to hit through the ball. Tennisone has tons of clips of Fed hitting his forehand.
     
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  11. JohnThomas1

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    Wow so he hits it often, what an incredible shot then. At least i know now what to look for with the shot. I can't wait to see him play again, what an artist he is. All the shots and then some. It's been so long since a new shot was ushered in, maybe this is the start of one.
     
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  12. Montana Realty

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    James Brown,

    I think you hit it right on the head. I'm looking at the shot in slo-mo and it does look like a half volley with extreme topspin. Wow, what a thing of beauty!
     
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  13. Russell Finch

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    I believe Federer played pretty good standard table tennis as a junior. This may explain why he's so comfortable playing realtively full heavy spin shots so quick off the bounce. If you play table tennis you have to learn to hit the ball like that.
     
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  14. ProStaffTour90

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    Anyone got any clips of Fed hitting this shot???
     
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    Blast from the past!

    Any clips of what the people were talking about here 12 years ago?
     
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  17. smoledman

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    Interesting how loopy his forehand was 2001-2005 than starting in 2006 it became more compact.
     
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  18. beltsman

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    Very true. He used to play farther behind the baseline and scramble more, which gave him room for his loopy forehand.

    Then he moved up and started to take the ball earlier with more compact strokes. He then added far more spin and margin for error to his game in 2007, which IMO was a big mistake.
     
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  19. metsman

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    Point starts 54 seconds in. I wish Fed could still hit this shot, that short angled FH is such a gamechanger.

     
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    It was because he was trying to beat Nadal on clay. But I think the biggest factor was the decline in movement. He started playing a little more safer and with more spin in 06 as well but since his movement was still amazing it didn't matter.
     
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    Thanks, you are a golden poster.
     
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    Agreed. I think his 05 ankle injury changed some things. But yes he also thought that he needed a higher percentage for beating Nadal on clay. Roddick, I think, made the same mistake (adding spin to FH and lessening its lethality).
     
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  23. Chadillac

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    You have to focus on the top outside of the ball to hit this shot, the key to understanding this stroke is how the low to high stroke affects the ball when you hit on top (one makes it go up, the other makes it go down). You have to feel your arc (need the peak arc before the net, unlike other shots so it lands shorter). The shot should be dropping when it crosses the net where as other shots you want depth. Its best to visualize as a cross court passing shot.

    He isnt hitting behind the ball, but around it, you can see its natural angle after the bounce. It puts your opponent in such a bad position (short and wide). Striking the outside of the ball also extends your opponents elbow, forcing a weaker reply.
     
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    Anyone read the title and just take a second to think if you should actually enter the thread?
     
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