Federer's Slam final record against Nadal, Djokovic, and the rest

King No1e

G.O.A.T.
Federer's Record in Grand Slam finals:
Against Opponents not named Nadal or Djokovic: 16-1
Against Nadal and Djokovic: 4-10

Goes to show you what Nadal and Djokovic were up against. Federer was virtually unbeatable, the absolute pinnacle of dominance against the field. The sport needed Nadal and Djokovic to stand up to Federer and present a worthy challenge.

So here's to Rafa and Nole, the 2 resistance fighters who stopped the GOAT from GOATing out of control.

 
Federer's Record in Grand Slam finals:
Against Opponents not named Nadal or Djokovic: 16-1
Against Nadal and Djokovic: 4-10

Goes to show you what Nadal and Djokovic were up against. Federer was virtually unbeatable, the absolute pinnacle of dominance against the field. The sport needed Nadal and Djokovic to stand up to Federer and present a worthy challenge.

So here's to Rafa and Nole, the 2 resistance fighters who stopped the GOAT from GOATing out of control.

And who is to stop Djoker and Rafa from getting out of TIGER control?
 

nov

Rookie
Federer's Record in Grand Slam finals:
Against Opponents not named Nadal or Djokovic: 16-1
Against Nadal and Djokovic: 4-10

Goes to show you what Nadal and Djokovic were up against. Federer was virtually unbeatable, the absolute pinnacle of dominance against the field. The sport needed Nadal and Djokovic to stand up to Federer and present a worthy challenge.

So here's to Rafa and Nole, the 2 resistance fighters who stopped the GOAT from GOATing out of control.

Fed probably would win atleast 30 slams without Djokovic and Nadal. Federer has no problem beating weaker players and hes not losing motivation to keep going even he didnt have rivals. Djokovic without Nadal or Nadal without Djokovic probably wouldnt win that much slams.
 

FiReFTW

Legend
Yeah OP im not sure how much that says tho

1:1 in AO against Nadal
2:1 in W against Nadal
0:4 in RG against Nadal
0 finals at USO

So I doubt Nadal really stopped his dominance so much in most finals, only contributed a little bit, the only thing he really prevented was Federer winning multiple RG multiple times.

Against Djoko 0 finals at AO and RG and:

1:1 at USO
0:3 at W

Djokovic on the other hand undoubtedly prevented Federer's dominance in a major way at Wimbledon, preventing him 3 titles no less in 3 finals, which is crazy, he would be sitting at 11 W titles now if not for him. And he had good chances to win 2 out of these 3 finals also but botched up, specially in 2019.
 

Tennis_Hands

Bionic Poster
Federer's Record in Grand Slam finals:
Against Opponents not named Nadal or Djokovic: 16-1
Against Nadal and Djokovic: 4-10

Goes to show you what Nadal and Djokovic were up against. Federer was virtually unbeatable, the absolute pinnacle of dominance against the field. The sport needed Nadal and Djokovic to stand up to Federer and present a worthy challenge.

So here's to Rafa and Nole, the 2 resistance fighters who stopped the GOAT from GOATing out of control.

The sport could always use more competition.

Sadly, that is not the case with Nadal and Djokovic and the next generations. We are witnessing unprecedented void as far as young ATGs are concerned. Forget about young ATGs. There aren't people under 30 that have won even a single Major. That is a true disaster, so when we are waxing poetic about the above two, we have to give it a proper context.

:cool:
 

blablavla

Hall of Fame


The data is very telling imo.
the only thing this data is telling is that Novak and Rafa are more likely to lose to the field and only fan kids can blame an athlete for defeating someone who is not considered biggest rival in the final.

If Rafael and Novak would have lived in this childish fantasies, they shouldn't' play the USO 2018 and 2019, but hey, reality works in a different way.
 

1stVolley

Professional
The sport could always use more competition.

Sadly, that is not the case with Nadal and Djokovic and the next generations. We are witnessing unprecedented void as far as young ATGs are concerned. Forget about young ATGs. There aren't people under 30 that have won even a single Major. That is a true disaster, so when we are waxing poetic about the above two, we have to give it a proper context.

:cool:
True, but don't forget we are witnessing an unbelievable period in tennis history--or in any sport's history: three of the greatest players all competing at the same time. The fact that the NG's haven't made a real dent is more about how difficult it is to win a slam against them. For one thing, the Big 3 all have different style games and no single strategy will work against them. You might be able, on a good day, to out-steady Federer, but not likely Djokovic. Maybe you could hurt Nadal by hitting deep and then drop shotting him. Likely not with Federer or Djokovic who play closer in.
 

junior74

G.O.A.T.
Federer's Record in Grand Slam finals:
Against Opponents not named Nadal or Djokovic: 16-1
Against Nadal and Djokovic: 4-10

Goes to show you what Nadal and Djokovic were up against. Federer was virtually unbeatable, the absolute pinnacle of dominance against the field. The sport needed Nadal and Djokovic to stand up to Federer and present a worthy challenge.

So here's to Rafa and Nole, the 2 resistance fighters who stopped the GOAT from GOATing out of control.
I agree, tennis should always have new stars overtaking the old ones. Which is why it has been sad to watch the generations that followed Nadal and Djokovic... Truly a lost generation.
 

40L0VE

Semi-Pro
Federer's Record in Grand Slam finals:
Against Opponents not named Nadal or Djokovic: 16-1
Against Nadal and Djokovic: 4-10

Goes to show you what Nadal and Djokovic were up against.
It also shows what Federer was up against with 2 GOAT quality younger players chasing him and then dethroning him. OTOH now that Djokovic and Nadal have performed better than Federer in the last couple or more years the tennis world in large part are wondering where are the next Agassi, Sampras, Courier, Becker, Edberge or a Hewitt to emerge and try to dethrone Djokovic.
 

beard

Hall of Fame
Nothing new in this thread...

Federer being opportunist, and weak era champion...

Novak and Rafa being goats....

Fed fans doing usual...

 

Third Serve

Legend
Inb4 the Cow guy
Nothing new in this thread...

Federer being opportunist, and weak era champion...

Novak and Rafa being goats....

Fed fans doing usual...

Well, it wasn’t exactly the Cow dude, but I guess this pretty much covers it.

Also, OP is a Djokovic fan. A neutral enough fan, in fact.
 

uscwang

Hall of Fame
Federer's Record in Grand Slam finals:
Against Opponents not named Nadal or Djokovic: 16-1
Against Nadal and Djokovic: 4-10

Goes to show you what Nadal and Djokovic were up against. Federer was virtually unbeatable, the absolute pinnacle of dominance against the field. The sport needed Nadal and Djokovic to stand up to Federer and present a worthy challenge.

So here's to Rafa and Nole, the 2 resistance fighters who stopped the GOAT from GOATing out of control.

Imagine if you are a Hewitt, Roddick, or Baghdatis fan reading this.
 

Tennis_Hands

Bionic Poster
True, but don't forget we are witnessing an unbelievable period in tennis history--or in any sport's history: three of the greatest players all competing at the same time. The fact that the NG's haven't made a real dent is more about how difficult it is to win a slam against them. For one thing, the Big 3 all have different style games and no single strategy will work against them. You might be able, on a good day, to out-steady Federer, but not likely Djokovic. Maybe you could hurt Nadal by hitting deep and then drop shotting him. Likely not with Federer or Djokovic who play closer in.
I could have believed that, if all three were presented all the time to stop the supposed younger ATGs from reaching and winning Majors finals. Instead, every time someone of the three dropped in form, the others were picking up Majors mostly against different people. All the time. The other thing is that even if we consider that all three were healthy and going ... the supposed younger ATGs were dropping like flies in the early rounds even before reaching them, so it is not about those being stopped by the said three players, they were just not that good to begin with.

Thiem, arguably one of the guys that can lay claim on being stopped somewhat by the big 3 (and Nadal in particular) has had 5 R1 exits in the Majors in the last 5 years. That means that he runs on a three Majors schedule per year. He also has 4 R2 exits in the same period, 2 R3 and 5 R4 exits. Almost none of these were against the big 3. In total those are 16 occasions where he dropped before the QF of a Major, which is 4 whole years, and that for a player that has a relatively complete game and is considered a big contender and in his physical prime.

:cool:
 
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1stVolley

Professional
I could have believed that, if all three were presented all the time to stop the supposed younger ATGs from reaching and winning Majors finals. Instead, every time someone of the three dropped in form, the others were picking up Majors mostly against different people. All the time. The other thing is that even if we consider that all three were healthy and going ... the supposed younger ATGs were dropping like flies in the early rounds even before reaching them, so it is not about those being stopped by the said three players, they were just not that good to begin with.

Thiem, arguably one of the guys that can lay claim on being stopped somewhat by the big 3 (and Nadal in particular) has had 5 R1 exits in the Majors in the last 5 years. That means that he runs on a three Majors schedule per year. He also has 4 R2 exits in the same period, 2 R3 and 5 R4 exits. Almost none of these were against the big 3. In total those are 16 occasions where he dropped before the QF of a Major, which is 4 whole years, and that for a player that has a relatively complete game and is considered a big contender and in his physical prime.

:cool:
One plausible (I believe) explanation for the lackluster results of the ATG when not playing any of the Big 3 simply is that none of them is noticeably better than the others so that, in the single elimination scheme used by tennis, 'A' beats 'B' who is defeated by 'C'--well you get the idea.
 

King No1e

G.O.A.T.
The sport could always use more competition.

Sadly, that is not the case with Nadal and Djokovic and the next generations. We are witnessing unprecedented void as far as young ATGs are concerned. Forget about young ATGs. There aren't people under 30 that have won even a single Major. That is a true disaster, so when we are waxing poetic about the above two, we have to give it a proper context.

:cool:
100%. Fedalovic should've been done and dusted long ago by this generation. Their prolonged dominance says more about the new generation than about Fedalovic.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
No-one. They are vulturing majors in a weak era where there's no-one other than Federer and Thiem to push them significantly.
And the weak era is getting even worse now since the covid-19 will decimate the competition.
 

Tennis_Hands

Bionic Poster
One plausible (I believe) explanation for the lackluster results of the ATG when not playing any of the Big 3 simply is that none of them is noticeably better than the others so that, in the single elimination scheme used by tennis, 'A' beats 'B' who is defeated by 'C'--well you get the idea.
Well, if one gets so many Cs that he cannot keep his head above the water the overwhelming majority of the times, I reckon the best way to describe his condition is "not good enough".

:cool:
 

King No1e

G.O.A.T.
I could have believed that, if all three were presented all the time to stop the supposed younger ATGs from reaching and winning Majors finals. Instead, every time someone of the three dropped in form, the others were picking up Majors mostly against different people. All the time. The other thing is that even if we consider that all three were healthy and going ... the supposed younger ATGs were dropping like flies in the early rounds even before reaching them, so it is not about those being stopped by the said three players, they were just not that good to begin with.

Thiem, arguably one of the guys that can lay claim on being stopped somewhat by the big 3 (and Nadal in particular) has had 5 R1 exits in the Majors in the last 5 years. That means that he runs on a three Majors schedule per year. He also has 4 R2 exits in the same period, 2 R3 and 5 R4 exits. Almost none of these were against the big 3. In total those are 16 occasions where he dropped before the QF of a Major, which is 4 whole years, and that for a player that has a relatively complete game and is considered a big contender and in his physical prime.

:cool:
Nailed it with that line - the NextGen don't have a specific problem against Fedalovic, they have fairly even records especially in BO3. But you can't beat Fedalovic consistently if you can't beat the early-round mugs consistently.
 

topher

Professional
Yeah OP im not sure how much that says tho

1:1 in AO against Nadal
2:1 in W against Nadal
0:4 in RG against Nadal
0 finals at USO

So I doubt Nadal really stopped his dominance so much in most finals, only contributed a little bit, the only thing he really prevented was Federer winning multiple RG multiple times.

Against Djoko 0 finals at AO and RG and:

1:1 at USO
0:3 at W

Djokovic on the other hand undoubtedly prevented Federer's dominance in a major way at Wimbledon, preventing him 3 titles no less in 3 finals, which is crazy, he would be sitting at 11 W titles now if not for him. And he had good chances to win 2 out of these 3 finals also but botched up, specially in 2019.
What are you smoking? Without Rafa, Roger wins 10-11 straight slams in 2005-2007 (eat your heart out, Laver), with 2 CYGS and a quadruple or maybe quintuple career grand slam.

But yeah, 3 more Wimbledons surely would have been better lol.
 

King No1e

G.O.A.T.
What are you smoking? Without Rafa, Roger wins 10-11 straight slams in 2005-2007 (eat your heart out, Laver), with 2 CYGS and a quadruple or maybe quintuple career grand slam.

But yeah, 3 more Wimbledons surely would have been better lol.
Djokovic would also have a 2nd NCYGS if Nadal wasn't there to reality check him in 2012.
 

fedfan08

Professional
Djokovic slam final record against opponents not named Federer/Nadal: 11-3
Nadal slam final record against opponents not named Federer/Djokovic: 9-1

All your stat shows is Federer had to deal with two ATGs from basically the minute he started dominating. The only ATG either of them had to deal with was Federer, someone 5 years older.

In 2004 Federer won 11 titles including 3 slams. In 2005 Nadal, who was 5 years younger, won 11 titles including 1 slam. In 2011 Djokovic won 10 titles including 3 slams. Imagine if in 2012 someone 5 years younger than him won 10 titles and a slam or two. And then imagine if that player went on to dominate along with Djokovic (and beat him many times) for many years. We’d be having a much different discussion.

Nobody can honestly say Federer’s competition excluding Nadal, Djokovic and perhaps Murray was weaker than Nadal or Djokovic’s competition excluding Federer and Murray. If Federer played mugs then so did they. In fact it’s worse because Federer had to deal with Nadal and Djokovic and neither of them have had to deal with any player 5 years younger that is anywhere close to being as good as they are.
 

King No1e

G.O.A.T.
Djokovic slam final record against opponents not named Federer/Nadal: 11-3
Nadal slam final record against opponents not named Federer/Djokovic: 9-1

All your stat shows is Federer had to deal with two ATGs from basically the minute he started dominating. The only ATG either of them had to deal with was Federer, someone 5 years older.

In 2004 Federer won 11 titles including 3 slams. In 2005 Nadal, who was 5 years younger, won 11 titles including 1 slam. In 2011 Djokovic won 10 titles including 3 slams. Imagine if in 2012 someone 5 years younger than him won 10 titles and a slam or two. And then imagine if that player went on to dominate along with Djokovic (and beat him many times) for many years. We’d be having a much different discussion.

Nobody can honestly say Federer’s competition excluding Nadal, Djokovic and perhaps Murray was weaker than Nadal or Djokovic’s competition excluding Federer and Murray. If Federer played mugs then so did they. In fact it’s worse because Federer had to deal with Nadal and Djokovic and neither of them have had to deal with any player 5 years younger that is anywhere close to being as good as they are.
Nadal and Djokovic did not start winning Slams "the minute" Fed dominated. Neither were a factor in 2004, and Nadal wasn't a top contender off clay until Wimbledon 06. Djokovic wasn't a contender until 2007/08.
 

Nole_King

Semi-Pro
Nadal and Djokovic did not start winning Slams "the minute" Fed dominated. Neither were a factor in 2004, and Nadal wasn't a top contender off clay until Wimbledon 06. Djokovic wasn't a contender until 2007/08.
If till 2008 Novak/Rafa were not that big a contender, then there has to be a period where Federer stops being a contender while these two still are. And given the competition posed by players outside of Big-3 in that period, it speaks volumes about the challenge Rafa/Novak are having in past 5 years.
 

blablavla

Hall of Fame
Nothing new in this thread...

Federer being opportunist, and weak era champion...

Novak and Rafa being goats....

Fed fans doing usual...

your pal, or your second account just proved recently that the weak era started in 2013, and is still ongoing.
all you need to do is start using your brain not only for breathing and eating.

Big3's most dominant matches over top10 excluding matches vs each other

69.7% points won Federer vs Del Potro AO 2009
69.2% Federer vs Murray YEC 2014
68.8% Federer vs Gaudio YEC 2005
68.8% Djokovic vs Thiem Rome 2017
68.0% Djokovic vs Cilic UO 2015
67.5% Djokovic vs Ferrer AO 2013
67.4% Nadal vs Thiem MonteCarlo 2018
67.1% Nadal vs Gaudio MonteCarlo 2005
67.1% Djokovic vs Nalbandian Queen's 2008
67.1% Djokovic vs Nishikori AO 2019
66.7% Federer vs Soderling Shanghai 2010
66.7% Djokovic vs Wawrinka YEC 2014
66.3% Djokovic vs Murray Shanghai 2015
65.9% Djokovic vs Berrettini YEC 2019
65.9% Djokovic vs Tsonga IW 2013
65.9% Djokovic vs Gasquet Canada 2013
65.9% Nadal vs Murray RG 2014
65.5% Djokovic vs Berdych Bejing 2014
65.2% Djokovic vs Nishikori YEC 2015
65.1% Djokovic vs Cilic YEC 2014
65.0% Federer vs Gasquet Miami 2014
64.8% Federer vs Roddick AO 2007
64.8% Nadal vs Ferrer Acapulco 2013
64.6% Nadal vs Coria MonteCarlo 2006
64.3% Djokovic vs Tsitsipas Paris 2019
63.7% Djokovic vs Zverev Shanghai 2018
63.6% Djokovic vs Nishikori YEC 2016
63.4% Nadal vs Ferrer RG 2012
63.4% Djokovic vs Berdych YEC 2014
62.9% Federer vs Berdych IW 2015
62.9% Federer vs Goffin Basel 2017
62.7% Nadal vs Goffin Barcelona 2018
62.6% Djokovic vs Anderson YEC 2018
62.5% Federer vs Nalbandian YEC 2006
62.5% Djokovic vs Soderling Rome 2011
62.5% Djokovic vs Nishikori Paris 2014
62.5% Federer vs Isner Miami 2019

Listed by year:

2003 -
2004 -
2005 - 2
2006 - 2
2007 - 1
2008 - 1
2009 - 1
2010 - 1
2011 - 1
2012 - 1
2013 - 4
2014 - 8
2015 - 4
2016 - 1
2017 - 2
2018 - 3
2019 - 4

2003-12 --> 10 (1 per year)
2013-19 --> 26 (3.7 per year)
 

fedfan08

Professional
Nadal and Djokovic did not start winning Slams "the minute" Fed dominated. Neither were a factor in 2004, and Nadal wasn't a top contender off clay until Wimbledon 06. Djokovic wasn't a contender until 2007/08.
OK you say Djokovic started being a contender in 2008. In the last 10 years/40 grand slams only 4 players not named Nadal/Djokovic or Federer have won a slam. From 2009 forward there is no younger player who has even come close to challenging Djokovic (or Nadal) the way both of them challenged Federer. It’s highly unlikely two ATGs just happen to come along at the same time. Btw, if the last decade or so wasn’t so weak Federer might not have 20 slams and still be playing either.
 

King No1e

G.O.A.T.
Nadal won his first slam in 2005, the year he won 11 tournaments. And those 11 tournaments included masters.
Fair enough, but can you remind me of his Slam results that year?
Or his 2006 results, for that matter? Nadal was good but he didn't pose any major threat to Federer's status as #1 until 2007.
Point being Federer had already pulled ahead of the pack and dominated in unprecedented fashion by the time Nadal and Djokovic started challenging him. They didn't cut his rise short or something.
 

King No1e

G.O.A.T.
OK you say Djokovic started being a contender in 2008. In the last 10 years/40 grand slams only 4 players not named Nadal/Djokovic or Federer have won a slam. From 2009 forward there is no younger player who has even come close to challenging Djokovic (or Nadal) the way both of them challenged Federer. It’s highly unlikely two ATGs just happen to come along at the same time. Btw, if the last decade or so wasn’t so weak Federer might not have 20 slams and still be playing either.
From 2010-13 all the big 4 were still world beaters. Honestly if you think that era was weak I don't even know how to respond, because even most Fedtаrds acknowledge that the Big 4 era was one of the strongest in history. Their competition, including Ferrer, Berdych, Tsonga, Del Potro, Soderling, all world-class players who would've won a few Slams in any other era, were completely shut out by these 4 titans.

From 2016 on there was no one in their prime to stop Fedalovic, I agree. We're all fortunate to be seeing this Big 3 renaissance, but it really shouldn't be happening if the current generation weren't useless.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
True, but don't forget we are witnessing an unbelievable period in tennis history--or in any sport's history: three of the greatest players all competing at the same time. The fact that the NG's haven't made a real dent is more about how difficult it is to win a slam against them. For one thing, the Big 3 all have different style games and no single strategy will work against them. You might be able, on a good day, to out-steady Federer, but not likely Djokovic. Maybe you could hurt Nadal by hitting deep and then drop shotting him. Likely not with Federer or Djokovic who play closer in.
The Next Gen are barely losing to the Big 3. The propagation of this myth needs to stop.
 
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