Discussion in 'Pros' Racquets and Gear' started by imagohp, Aug 10, 2004.
Do you guys know what tension he's playing with?
I thought it was 63-63
read the new article posted to the tw site profiling priority one, in it federer's personal stringer relates that he varied the tension between 50-55 during wimbledon, with 55 for the final match. imagine trying to return roddie's serves with control with a racket strung that loosely! that speaks as much to his touch and feel as do some of the open court shots that appear so amazing
yaaa.. 50-55... unexpectedly low....
Its different. It depends on the weather, the balls, the surface, etc.
yea but he is using luxilon strings which are very stiff
still................he uses natural gut........................
yeah. Federer uses guts in the main and lux in the crosses. I guess its true that the really talented players can go low and still control the ball immensly well. However, there are always the exceptions such as Sampras and Flipper who strung theirs (I think) in the middle 70s with gut. 55 with guts, and sometimes 50....that's crazy....I go 54 with Lux....
Jesus, I go 62 with lux or even 63 practically. I thought I read 60-63 in the past too? Was I not wearing my glasses?
I am suprised that federer playing with such low tension. Also gut is a powerful string and I can't imagine how powerful is his racquet now. Do u guys really believe this?
sure...why wouldnt you believe it? mcenroe was insanely low for much of his career..like in the 40's.
His tensions may seem low, but you have to remember that: 1) He's playing a 90si frame 2) His stringjobs are fresh off a constant pull machine. The average Joe's racquet, after strung, probably sits for a longer period of time than it takes for Federer to play with a racquet, and then have the strings cut out. Although his tensions sound low to some, the stringbed stiffness is actually much greater than the reference tension would suggest.
yeah, that's a great point....people often overlook the headsize of the racquet and it's effect on tension.
Makes Pete Sampras appear even more insane...with his 75lbs tension on a 85si racquet. LOL
From my viewpoint I don't see this as surprising. Maybe Federer has more skill with which to control and direct the power which a low tension provides.
I play table tennis and we treat racket power the other way around from tennis - novice players use low powered bats because they don't have the skill to control a powerful bat. As you get better, you get more powerful bats which enable you to hit with power and which your skill enables you to control. In other words, the bat provides the power and the player's skill provides the control. In top level tennis, players stringing at 70lbs plus are effectively using the racket to provide the control for their power.
I started playing with the PS 6.0 85 at about 62, now use a HPS6.0 at 50 (Timo) and when my game improves further I'll move to my HPS6.1 or similar which at the moment provides power I can't consistently control. I know it's the opposite way round to most tennis players but it suits my ping pong mentality and I reckon it's the best way to learn by starting with a low powered player's frame.
agree..it becomes a function of spin and other abilities.....if you've got the spin, you can control the power. fed clearly has the ablties to control the power. also i dont know if anyone noticed that in the toronto tourney when moya was playing someone (i forget who), one of the players took a timeout, so the other player was hitting a few balls with one of the ballkids who was using moya's axe...well the kid had no control...his balls were all flying deep....think moya must also use a very powerful setup. i think far too many of the non pros string far too tightly..not sure why they do..think it is partly an ego macho thing. my .02. ed
I reckon if Roddick played with Sampras' old racquet he wouldn't be able to hit his forehand like that - to hit with as much topspin as him and not lose out on power he has to use a stiff and powerful frame like the PD. With Sampras' racquet he would have to hit hard or with heavy top, couldn't do both like does with the PD.
What a load of rubbish a pro at that level can do it with virtually any racket. It in the end comes down to what they prefer and what they feel more comfortable in also what they get paid to whip about in there hands.
Look at Jim Courier Roddicks forehand has some similarities and Jim used to use the same racket as Sampras.
I'm no top class tennis player but I've played very good standard table tennis and I know a few top 20 UK players.
They confim what I have found which is that changing equipment makes a very big difference. They're still good enough to play at 95% of their potential with a different bat but for that last 5% (which is the bit that makes the difference at the top level) they have to play with the bat that suits their shots.
I'm sure with Sampras' racquet Roddick would crush you or I but against the world's top 10 he'd be way less effective.
For one thing table tennis and tennis do not have any similarities.
Also if you looked into it more you would find out that Sampras is racket was not normal and was highly customized to the way he wanted it like every players racket. Also what they have been used and played with for most of there life’s. Firstly his Pro Staff was a St Vincent model which was stiffer than the standard rackets secondly his weight and balance and strings and tension he used were all for his game. You can’t compare what you are trying to say because if Roddick was going to use it he’d have it customized to the way he’d liked to play different tension strings weight etc.
That's a bit like saying a rabbit and a hare don't have any similarities.
You've also disproved your own point from your previous post. You previously said a top level pro can hit their shots with any racket, then you say he would customize Sampras' racquet weight and string etc to suit his game (in the same way that everyone knows Sampras customised his). Why would he do that if not to make it more suitable for his shots?
That's not all that loose a string job when you consider that he's putting poly in the crosses. That stuff would "mute" the natural gut quite well I am sure.
Table tennis is a very good adjunct for tennis. When I teach kids to play and I see them dumping most of the slice shots into the net, then overhitting the heavy topspins etc, I recommend that they play ping pong to help them learn how spin works. Most guys that play tennis are coordinated enough to play casual ping pong, and most of them can hit topspin. It's really a good way to help a kid understand spin.
PCMD, 62,63? Aren't you supposed to string it 10 pounds lower with Luxilon? I remember reading that advice on their site. I mean, you use the equivalent to 72,73 in synthetic gut. Am I correct?
At the Nasdaq 100 Open, he strung it at 26/25 kg.
Ferreira, I normally string poly-syn hybrids at 65 all the way through, and my favorite string job of all time was syn gut mains and polymono crosses at 65 lbs. Firmest feel ever, and I love the stiffer feel.
I remember I used to HAVE to string at 65lbs to 67lbs because I was so wristy. Any looser and the balls would fly. But as I got better, I learned to control the ball better and hit flatter when I wanted to. I now string at 61-62lbs. i would personally string it as low as possible where you can still control the ball.
More power, better for you arm, strings will last longer, what else do you want? :0
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