Federer's top 10 tournaments since he turned 30.

mike danny

Talk Tennis Guru
#1
So since August 8 2011, what are Federer's 10 best tournaments in terms of level?

Unfortunately, this excludes other tournaments where he played at an insanely high level like FO 2011 and WTF 2010, but it is what it is.

So, having said that, here is my hierarchy, in no particular order:

1. Wim 2012
2. Cincy 2012
3. IW 2012
4. IW 2014
5. AO 2017
7. IW 2017
8. Wimb 2015
9. USO 2015
10. Wimb 2017

What is yours?
 

King No1e

Hall of Fame
#2
In order (only 1 and 2 stand out, the rest are pretty much equal anyway)
YEC 11
Cincy 12
IW 17
Cincy 14
IW 12
Shanghai 14
AO 17
Wimbledon 12
Wimbledon 17
Shanghai 17
 
#3
Wimbledon: 2012, 2014, 2015, 2017
2015 USO
2017 AO

2014 WTF
2015 Cincinnati
2017 Miami
2017 Shanghai


If I had to order those, it would be quite difficult but I suppose:

1. 2015 Wimbledon
2. 2017 Australia
3. 2012 Wimbledon
4. 2014 Wimbledon
5. 2017 Wimbledon
6. 2015 Cincinnati
7. 2015 USO
8. 2017 Miami
9. 2017 Shanghai
10. 2014 WTF
 

mike danny

Talk Tennis Guru
#9
How could I forget Cincy 2015? o_O

Anyway, I'll now try to order it after replacing something with Cincy 2015.

So, from highest to lowest:

1. Cincy 2015
2. IW 2017
3. Cincy 2012
4. Wimb 2012
5. IW 2012
6. Wimb 2015
7. USO 2015
8. Wimb 2017
9. AO 2017
10. IW 2014
 

Pheasant

Hall of Fame
#10
1. 2012 Cincy 0 breaks of serve, 0 lost sets, bageled Djoker in final
2. 2012 Wimbledon. Beat Djoker and Murray back to back. I could see dropping this one down a few levels. Fed played poorly vs Benneteau
3. 2015 Cincy- see #1, except he didn’t bagel Djoker.
4. 2017 Wimbledon- wrecked Raonic and he didn’t drop a set the whole tourney. Only Borg win every set at Wimbledon in the Open Era.
5. 2017 IW. Never lost a set. Gave Nadal and Stab beat downs.
6. 2017 AO. Fed was clutch because he had nothing to lose. First person in 3 decades to beat 4 players ranked in the top 10
7. 2015 USO. Fed was great. However, Djoker was too good here. This is the last time that I figured that Fed had a chance against Djoker.
8. 2017 Halle. Fed lost 0 sets. Tommy Haas must have pissed him off
9 2017 Shanghai.
10. 2011 WTF
 
#11
Top 5 in slams
AO: 14 - 16 - 17 - 18
Wimbledon: 12 - 14 - 15 - 17
USO: 11 - 15

Top 10 outside slams
IW: 12 - 14 - 15 - 17
Miami: 17
Monte Carlo
: 14
Madrid: 12
Rome: 15
Canada: 14 - 17
Cincy: 12 - 14 - 15
Shanghai
: 14 - 17
Paris
: 11 - 18

WTF: 11 - 12 - 14
 

NEW_BORN

Hall of Fame
#14
In chronological order
Bercy 2011 (didn't drop a set)
WTF 2011 (completely annihilated Nadal)
Dubai 2012 (didn't drop a set)
Cinci 2012 (didn't drop a set or his serve)
Shanghai 2014 (completely smothered Djokovic)
Dubai 2015 (didn't drop a set)
Cinci 2015 (didn't drop a set or his serve)
IW 2017 (didn't drop a set)
Halle 2017 (didn't drop a set)
Wim 2017 (didn't drop a set)
 
#16
The question is if we consider level of play or total level of excitement.

For excitement nothing beats AO 2017, but in 2018 he was more dominant until the final.

Wimbledon 2012 was quite exciting as well, but for level of play 2017 clearly stands on top (total dominance from start to finish, not losing a set).
 

Lew II

Hall of Fame
#17
Best of his whole career:

Wimbledon 2015
Cincinnati 2015
US Open 2015
YEC 2015
AUS Open 2017
IW 2017
Miami 2017
Halle 2017
Wimbledon 2017
Shanghai 2017
 
#19
In order:

1. 2012 Cincy
2. 2012 IW
3. Wimby 2012
4. USO 11
5. AO 12
5. Cincy 15
6. Dubai 12
7. Paris 11
8. Wimby 2017
9. Shanghai 17
10. Halle 17

IW 14/15 Dubai 15, Wimby/USO 15 pretty close to the last 3.
If you look past the final, Fed’s level at Wimbledon 2015 was better than 2012. Wasn’t Fed in serious trouble against Benneteau?
 
#20
Surely AO 17 has to be number 1. Federer had obviously always been a magnificent player, but at what other tournament did he do anything to match beating Nadal after losing the 4th and going down a break in the 5th. Did anyone seriously think he had the will, nerve and resolve to beat Nadal in a slam final from 1-3 in the 5th?
 

Lew II

Hall of Fame
#21
You can't help yourself, can you? :laughing:
% Matches won against top10 since 2008:

2017 - 87.5
2014 - 77.3

2010 - 72.73
2015 - 71.4
2012 - 64
2009 - 60
2011 - 52.6
2008 - 41.2
2018 - 40
2013 - 28.6
2016 - 20

excluding Djokovic:

2015 - 92.3
2017 - 87.5
2014 - 82.4

2010 - 70.6
2012 - 70
2009 - 65
2011 - 64.3
2018 - 50
2008 - 35.7
2013 - 33.3
2016 - 25
 
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mike danny

Talk Tennis Guru
#22
Top 5 in slams
AO: 14 - 16 - 17 - 18
Wimbledon: 12 - 14 - 15 - 17
USO: 11 - 15

Top 10 outside slams
IW: 12 - 14 - 15 - 17
Miami: 17
Monte Carlo
: 14
Madrid: 12
Rome: 15
Canada: 14 - 17
Cincy: 12 - 14 - 15
Shanghai
: 14 - 17
Paris
: 11 - 18

WTF: 11 - 12 - 14
AO 2012 was better than AO 2014. AO 2014 isn't in my top 10 slam performances of Fed in his 30's.
 

mike danny

Talk Tennis Guru
#25
Surely AO 17 has to be number 1. Federer had obviously always been a magnificent player, but at what other tournament did he do anything to match beating Nadal after losing the 4th and going down a break in the 5th. Did anyone seriously think he had the will, nerve and resolve to beat Nadal in a slam final from 1-3 in the 5th?
All very good, but his overall level was too inconsistent in the whole tournament.
 

Towny

Professional
#26
Best of his whole career:

Wimbledon 2015
Cincinnati 2015
US Open 2015
YEC 2015
AUS Open 2017
IW 2017
Miami 2017
Halle 2017
Wimbledon 2017
Shanghai 2017
Even if we assume the tired narrative that 2015 onwards Fed is the peak of his career, why is Wimbledon 2015 higher than 2017? He dropped 0 sets in 2017 while in 2015 he not only lost to Djokovic but also lost a set to Groth. Given you hold that Fed's USO 2015 run was the best of his career on the basis that he reached the final without dropping a set, why don't you do the same for Wimbledon?
 

mike danny

Talk Tennis Guru
#30
He did beat 4 top 10 players, something he may never have done before given the seeding system.
Fed's AO 2017 is probably his best achievement, I will never deny that.

But if Fed's level had been higher, he wouldn't have lost a set to Melzer and he wouldn't have allowed the Nishikori and Stan matches to go to 5 sets.
 

Lew II

Hall of Fame
#31
Even if we assume the tired narrative that 2015 onwards Fed is the peak of his career, why is Wimbledon 2015 higher than 2017? He dropped 0 sets in 2017 while in 2015 he not only lost to Djokovic but also lost a set to Groth. Given you hold that Fed's USO 2015 run was the best of his career on the basis that he reached the final without dropping a set, why don't you do the same for Wimbledon?
it's just chronological order
 
#33
Cincy 15 - peak SABRerer
Cincy 12 - Peakerer on the balance
Paris 11 - Indoorerer in full flight
USO 11 - nearly beat peak Djovak
Wimbull 12 QF+ - clutch to best Djokoray
IW 12 - no-nonsense, actually thumped still prime Nadal
IW 17 - Backhanderer
Shanghai 17 - Sampraserer
Wimbull/USO 15 - amazing en route but couldn't last full BO5 against peakness
Wimbull 17 - a bit more conservative, obviously facing Blisterlic was way easier
 
#34
Fed's AO 2017 is probably his best achievement, I will never deny that.

But if Fed's level had been higher, he wouldn't have lost a set to Melzer and he wouldn't have allowed the Nishikori and Stan matches to go to 5 sets.
Fedr lost anywhere from 4 to 6 straight games in 4 of the 7 matches (straight-setters excluded). 5 vs Melzer, 4 vs Nish, 6 vs Stan, 4 vs Rafa. Peak fedr LOL. Nearly dropped the third set to Rubin, too (saved SP at *3-5). Only the Berdych and Zverev matches were exhibition stuff, and Zverev's s&v was easy for Fed to pick apart. The Berdych demolition was by far Fed's best match of the tournament, if he maintained that level throughout I don't think he would've lost more than a set (to Nadal).
 
#35
1. 2012 Cincy 0 breaks of serve, 0 lost sets, bageled Djoker in final
2. 2012 Wimbledon. Beat Djoker and Murray back to back. I could see dropping this one down a few levels. Fed played poorly vs Benneteau
3. 2015 Cincy- see #1, except he didn’t bagel Djoker.
4. 2017 Wimbledon- wrecked Raonic and he didn’t drop a set the whole tourney. Only Borg win every set at Wimbledon in the Open Era.
5. 2017 IW. Never lost a set. Gave Nadal and Stab beat downs.
6. 2017 AO. Fed was clutch because he had nothing to lose. First person in 3 decades to beat 4 players ranked in the top 10
7. 2015 USO. Fed was great. However, Djoker was too good here. This is the last time that I figured that Fed had a chance against Djoker.
8. 2017 Halle. Fed lost 0 sets. Tommy Haas must have pissed him off
9 2017 Shanghai.
10. 2011 WTF
Put 2017 Miami right up there in the list. He had an arguable tougher draw than the AO except it's only Bo3 (Tiafoe - Delpo - RBA - Berdych - Kyrgios - Rafa). He squeaks past Nick in one of the best matches of the year in 3 hours, Rafa had the first semi with an easy match, Fed still came back on Sunday to routine Rafa in the final. His level is below AO and IW but given the draw and Miami is at the end of the hard court swing, it should be at least an honourable mention.

2017 Halle was a bit meh, he was good against Zverev but the matches prior were just standard.
 

mike danny

Talk Tennis Guru
#36
Cincy 15 - peak SABRerer
Cincy 12 - Peakerer on the balance
Paris 11 - Indoorerer in full flight
USO 11 - nearly beat peak Djovak
Wimbull 12 QF+ - clutch to best Djokoray
IW 12 - no-nonsense, actually thumped still prime Nadal
IW 17 - Backhanderer
Shanghai 17 - Sampraserer
Wimbull/USO 15 - amazing en route but couldn't last full BO5 against peakness
Wimbull 17 - a bit more conservative, obviously facing Blisterlic was way easier
Oh shoot, I should have put 2011 USO instead of 2015 USO for Fed. He had more great tournaments than I thought.

2011 USO was Fed's best USO in his 30's and one of his best slams too. He was actually very good at 2011 USO and 2012 AO. If only he were a bit more clutch.
 

Rosstour

Professional
#41
he didn't play all that well before the final in Basel 15.
no way it should make the list.
When the biggest knock on Fed's career is his record vs Rafa, the point at which he turned it around and took back the advantage must be regarded as one of the most important points of that career.

He hadn't beat Rafa in a Final since WTF '10. No one thought he could solve the guy, instead Basel 2015 kicked off a 5-0 run that defined his 2017 resurgence.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
#42
When the biggest knock on Fed's career is his record vs Rafa, the point at which he turned it around and took back the advantage must be regarded as one of the most important points of that career.

He hadn't beat Rafa in a Final since WTF '10. No one thought he could solve the guy, instead Basel 2015 kicked off a 5-0 run that defined his 2017 resurgence.
Well considering they only met in two finals between then (both on clay and one in 2013) I'm not sure how significant it was. More significant was the time between their last meetings allowing Federer to come in mentally fresh.
 
#43
Fedr lost anywhere from 4 to 6 straight games in 4 of the 7 matches (straight-setters excluded). 5 vs Melzer, 4 vs Nish, 6 vs Stan, 4 vs Rafa. Peak fedr LOL. Nearly dropped the third set to Rubin, too (saved SP at *3-5). Only the Berdych and Zverev matches were exhibition stuff, and Zverev's s&v was easy for Fed to pick apart. The Berdych demolition was by far Fed's best match of the tournament, if he maintained that level throughout I don't think he would've lost more than a set (to Nadal).
He'd only need to turn around the second set for it to be straights ;)
 

mike danny

Talk Tennis Guru
#45
To reiterate, here are Fed's best tourneys overall in his 30's in chronological order:

USO 2011
Paris 2011
WTF 2011
AO 2012
Rotterdam 2012
Dubai 2012
IW 2012
Wimb 2012
Cincy 2012
WTF 2012
Dubai 2014
IW 2014
Shanghai 2014
Dubai 2015
IW 2015
Wimb 2015
Cincy 2015
USO 2015
AO 2017
IW 2017
Miami 2017
Wimb 2017
Shanghai 2017
AO 2018
 
#46
Even if we assume the tired narrative that 2015 onwards Fed is the peak of his career, why is Wimbledon 2015 higher than 2017? He dropped 0 sets in 2017 while in 2015 he not only lost to Djokovic but also lost a set to Groth. Given you hold that Fed's USO 2015 run was the best of his career on the basis that he reached the final without dropping a set, why don't you do the same for Wimbledon?
Yes, we all wonder what Lou is trying to say :unsure:

It's getting a little old
 
#50
Guys, I am quiet new here. Is this clown serious with these posts?
I'm kinda new here as well, but he's serious. Dead serious. His agenda appears to be that players get better as they get older (for example, 35-year-old Federer is better than 25-year-old Federer, so I'm told). I have this to say in response:

Experience is a great advantage. The problem is that when you get the experience, you're too damned old to do anything about it.

~ Jimmy Connors
 
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