Federer's worst BP conversion in his career
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The Green Mile
Bionic Poster
Somebody have a breakdown of how each was saved?
BGod
G.O.A.T.
It wasn't 12 aces.
Prabhanjan
Professional
1/17 in FO 2007 remains his worst. I will give this one a pass.
TennisPinkBabe
Rookie
Federer has such a weird BP mentality. And his returning was atrocious.
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
I think 5 of 12 were UFE from neutral rallies
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
The good part is that he can't do worse than 0%.
The Green Mile
Bionic Poster
Well, I'm going to watch the match now and I'll remember to type how each was saved. 0/12 is quite astonishing.
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
I didn’t want to relive that disaster but I will give it a read
The Green Mile
Bionic Poster
I meant for my own notes lol, but I suppose I can put it here as well.
The Fedfather
Legend
That 2nd set was beyond frustrating. Beside just BPs, all those deuce points that Federer got after Ad Tsitsipas. He would play well to get to deuce and then mess up, it's ad Tsitsipas again. It seemed like a neverending torture because Federer's own service games were lightning quick.
After the 2nd though, 2 more BPs but those were just disappointing. The 2nd set gave Tsitsipas confidence, he was playing better.
After the 2nd though, 2 more BPs but those were just disappointing. The 2nd set gave Tsitsipas confidence, he was playing better.
Sysyphus
Talk Tennis Guru
I meant for my own notes lol, but I suppose I can put it here as well.
do so
I'm just a sucker for pain
Red Rick
Bionic Poster
Did you support the Dutch side during the 2010 WC final by any chance?
Sysyphus
Talk Tennis Guru
no that was a lovely day, still vivid in the memory.
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OhYes
Guest
You answered already.
Red Rick
Bionic Poster
Then you do not know pain like I do
Sysyphus
Talk Tennis Guru
The Green Mile
Bionic Poster
I know the total, but I want to know how they were saved. For example, the first two BPs...
BP #1, 0-0, 1st set: 2nd serve from Stefanos, Fed chips it back safely cross-court to start a neutral rally, but loses an extended point on a forehand error.
BP #2, 0-0, 1st set: Ace down the Tee to save the 2nd. Called out, Stefanos challenges, and it's in. Fed thinks he had a play on the shot, the call coming as he made contact with the ball. His return was long. Umpire sticks with his inital decision.
You can then decide for yourself which were missed opportunities or not.
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OhYes
Guest
There were few misses, I remember one I thought Fed is going to convert, one of last ones I think. He missed the court with his paralel.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
So do I.
Fed wasn't winning this event anyway, not with a draw where he (likely) faces an ATG in the semi who's 5 years his junior and an ATG in the final who is six years younger. This match isn't anywhere near as bad with BP's as the 2009 AO or USO 2015. Stats are immaterial, it's the context of the match, the opponent and the round. This was a 4R, it can't possibly be compared to slam finals.
OldschoolKIaus
Hall of Fame
Koubek and Melzer ... nice.
deaner2211
Semi-Pro
Well placed serves are just as good as aces if they lead to easy winners.
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Deleted member 77403
Guest
Federer breaking new ground....
TennisPinkBabe
Rookie
Why doesn't the guy do something about his BP mentality? It's been going on since FO2007. Nothing changes.
The Green Mile
Bionic Poster
BP #1, 0-0, 1st set: 2nd serve from Stefanos, Fed chips it back safely cross-court to start a neutral rally, but loses an extended point on a forehand error.
BP #2, 0-0, 1st set: . Ace down the Tee to save the 2nd. Called out, Stefanos challenges, and it's in. Fed thinks he had a play on the shot, the call coming as he made contact with the ball. His return was long. Umpire sticks with his initial decision.
BP #3: 2-3, 2nd set: 2nd serve from Stefanos, rather jamming body serve which Fed redirects with the forehand. High intensity baseline rally exchange, Fed misfiring the final forehand long.
BP #4: 2-3, 2nd set: 2nd serve from Stefanos, 169 kmh to the forehand side, draws the error.
BP #5: 2-3, 2nd set: 1st out wide, Fed chips short return. Stefanos follows the off forehand approach and volleys a rather tame backhand DTL passing attempt short into open court. Fed hesitant and stops mid sprint only to realize he could have possibly gotten a play on the ball. Annoyed.
BP #6: 3-4, 2nd set: 1st to the forehand/body, Fed chips the forehand return into play. Stefanos approaches the backhand side, Fed slow to get into position for the backhand DTL pass, sends it well long as he executes it off balance.
BP #7: 4-5, 2nd set: Unreturnable 1st serve out wide.
BP #8: 4-5, 2nd set: Unreturnable 1st serve down the middle
BP #9: 4-5, 2nd set: 2nd serve to the forehand, neutral rally takes place. Fed a little reactive to Stefanos, forehand error from Fed after 8 shots. Stefanos with great depth, Fed a bit unable to jump on the front foot.
BP #10: 4-5, 2nd set: 2nd serve to backhand, Fed chipping it back cross-court. Stefanos approaches cross-court with the off forehand, Fed barely getting a play on the defensive chip, Stefanos closes the net and puts the weak reply away.
BP #11: 3-3, 3rd set: 2nd serve to backhand, weak return directed to the backhand side, short. Stefanos very proactive and in control of the point, spreading the court well. A little opportunity for Fed to change the dynamic of the point, shanks the forehand wide.
BP #12: 3-3, 3rd set: 2nd serve to backhand, Fed chips it short cross-court. Stefanos quick to move forward and drive backhand DTL, forcing the error.
BPs in five unique games overall.
BP #2, 0-0, 1st set: . Ace down the Tee to save the 2nd. Called out, Stefanos challenges, and it's in. Fed thinks he had a play on the shot, the call coming as he made contact with the ball. His return was long. Umpire sticks with his initial decision.
BP #3: 2-3, 2nd set: 2nd serve from Stefanos, rather jamming body serve which Fed redirects with the forehand. High intensity baseline rally exchange, Fed misfiring the final forehand long.
BP #4: 2-3, 2nd set: 2nd serve from Stefanos, 169 kmh to the forehand side, draws the error.
BP #5: 2-3, 2nd set: 1st out wide, Fed chips short return. Stefanos follows the off forehand approach and volleys a rather tame backhand DTL passing attempt short into open court. Fed hesitant and stops mid sprint only to realize he could have possibly gotten a play on the ball. Annoyed.
BP #6: 3-4, 2nd set: 1st to the forehand/body, Fed chips the forehand return into play. Stefanos approaches the backhand side, Fed slow to get into position for the backhand DTL pass, sends it well long as he executes it off balance.
BP #7: 4-5, 2nd set: Unreturnable 1st serve out wide.
BP #8: 4-5, 2nd set: Unreturnable 1st serve down the middle
BP #9: 4-5, 2nd set: 2nd serve to the forehand, neutral rally takes place. Fed a little reactive to Stefanos, forehand error from Fed after 8 shots. Stefanos with great depth, Fed a bit unable to jump on the front foot.
BP #10: 4-5, 2nd set: 2nd serve to backhand, Fed chipping it back cross-court. Stefanos approaches cross-court with the off forehand, Fed barely getting a play on the defensive chip, Stefanos closes the net and puts the weak reply away.
BP #11: 3-3, 3rd set: 2nd serve to backhand, weak return directed to the backhand side, short. Stefanos very proactive and in control of the point, spreading the court well. A little opportunity for Fed to change the dynamic of the point, shanks the forehand wide.
BP #12: 3-3, 3rd set: 2nd serve to backhand, Fed chips it short cross-court. Stefanos quick to move forward and drive backhand DTL, forcing the error.
BPs in five unique games overall.
Sysyphus
Talk Tennis Guru
BP #1, … loses an extended point on a forehand error.
BP #3: … Fed misfiring the final forehand long.
BP #4: … to the forehand side, draws the error.
BP #9: … forehand error from Fed after 8 shots.
BP #11: … A little opportunity for Fed to change the dynamic of the point, shanks the forehand wide.
(good work, though not fun to relive it
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Steve0904
Talk Tennis Guru
Another record.
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Deleted member 77403
Guest
Another day, another record for Fed.
Red Rick
Bionic Poster
I quite enjoyed it.
(good work, though not fun to relive it
Now here's this because to show my solidarity with you
Red Rick
Bionic Poster
Personal record to be sure.
Fed also saved 12/12 vs Djokovic not too long ago, which I guess was a personal best/worst for both.
The Green Mile
Bionic Poster
At one point in the 2nd set, think it was 5-5, 15-0 maybe, Fed had played 26 service points to Stefanos's 57 (according to commies) for the 2nd set. FFS....
(good work, though not fun to relive it
albertobra
Hall of Fame
BP #1, 0-0, 1st set: 2nd serve from Stefanos, Fed chips it back safely cross-court to start a neutral rally, but loses an extended point on a forehand error.
BP #2, 0-0, 1st set: . Ace down the Tee to save the 2nd. Called out, Stefanos challenges, and it's in. Fed thinks he had a play on the shot, the call coming as he made contact with the ball. His return was long. Umpire sticks with his initial decision.
BP #3: 2-3, 2nd set: 2nd serve from Stefanos, rather jamming body serve which Fed redirects with the forehand. High intensity baseline rally exchange, Fed misfiring the final forehand long.
BP #4: 2-3, 2nd set: 2nd serve from Stefanos, 169 kmh to the forehand side, draws the error.
BP #5: 2-3, 2nd set: 1st out wide, Fed chips short return. Stefanos follows the off forehand approach and volleys a rather tame backhand DTL passing attempt short into open court. Fed hesitant and stops mid sprint only to realize he could have possibly gotten a play on the ball. Annoyed.
BP #6: 3-4, 2nd set: 1st to the forehand/body, Fed chips the forehand return into play. Stefanos approaches the backhand side, Fed slow to get into position for the backhand DTL pass, sends it well long as he executes it off balance.
BP #7: 4-5, 2nd set: Unreturnable 1st serve out wide.
BP #8: 4-5, 2nd set: Unreturnable 1st serve down the middle
BP #9: 4-5, 2nd set: 2nd serve to the forehand, neutral rally takes place. Fed a little reactive to Stefanos, forehand error from Fed after 8 shots. Stefanos with great depth, Fed a bit unable to jump on the front foot.
BP #10: 4-5, 2nd set: 2nd serve to backhand, Fed chipping it back cross-court. Stefanos approaches cross-court with the off forehand, Fed barely getting a play on the defensive chip, Stefanos closes the net and puts the weak reply away.
BP #11: 3-3, 3rd set: 2nd serve to backhand, weak return directed to the backhand side, short. Stefanos very proactive and in control of the point, spreading the court well. A little opportunity for Fed to change the dynamic of the point, shanks the forehand wide.
BP #12: 3-3, 3rd set: 2nd serve to backhand, Fed chips it short cross-court. Stefanos quick to move forward and drive backhand DTL, forcing the error.
BPs in five unique games overall.
Nice BP report!
Can se say that Fed had a concrete chance in half of those BPs?
On Interview Fed talked about the BPs missed, faulting his return.
I disagree because It was his return that allowed him to get to the BPs.
It's a matter of intensity in important points where Stefanos was more clutch.
We have seen this already in Fed, like the Wimby match vs. Anderson, where he had It on his hands as well.
I have a theory. This happens If you don't play clay. You fall behind mentally. Clay is the surface that makes you mentally fitter. It's the surface that makes you understand when to keep rallying, when to grind, when to baloon and when to attack.
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