Fedheads want Thiem Year End #1?

Meles

Bionic Poster

Djoko 10860 (SF RG and final Rome)
Nadal 9850 (won’t net anything at RG or Rome)
Thiem 7845, 9125 with US Open

Thiem winning RG puts him just past Nadal with 9925.
Thiem entered in Rome and will remain so unless Medvedev taxes him later today. +990 possible which puts him at 10915 ahead of Djoko should he not make the RG final or win Rome.:eek:

Thiem defends 90 points at Paris which Nole won last year. 90 points last year at Hamburg. Nole only defending 200 points at WTF vs 800. ATP Cup early next year might actually drop and Thiem might regain some ground there as well.

Disgust?:unsure:
 
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GabeT

Legend
If one player had won all three slams this year they would have had a claim to YE1, despite the abbreviated calendar. But not without that. No YE1 this year but maybe Thiem can reach number 1 at some point
 

tudwell

Legend
Would be awesome. All he has to do is win his first ever hard court major, his first ever clay Masters, and his first ever Roland Garros, then outperform one of the all-time greatest indoor players throughout the indoor season. Seems simple enough.
 

Beckerserve

Professional
Thiem is 27, Nadal is ancient at 34. Using every bit of tennis logic over the past 51 years of the Open Era, Thiem should be beating Rafa with a blindfold on, on any court, anywhere in the world.

But he won't.
I would fancy Thiem over Nadal actually. Tennis wise i mean
 

Jonesy

Professional
They don't really need Thiem, but will use him whenever convenient. The agenda is ready for any situations. If the history is not 'correct' they will just rewrite it to one that fits.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
YE#1 is worthless this year and should not count due to many reasons...

But yes. :sneaky:
Agree in Nole’s case since the rules virtually hand it to him; but 2016 very possible right now. Thiem should be given the moral victory if he gets within 1000. ;)
 

Lleytonstation

G.O.A.T.
Agree in Nole’s case since the rules virtually hand it to him; but 2016 very possible right now. Thiem should be given the moral victory if he gets within 1000. ;)
If he were to win USO and make the final of the FO or somehow win both then it is clear cut. But the whole point system is jacked.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Would be awesome. All he has to do is win his first ever hard court major, his first ever clay Masters, and his first ever Roland Garros, then outperform one of the all-time greatest indoor players throughout the indoor season. Seems simple enough.
not outperform indoors as Nole gets 0.0 at Paris; #1 coming into WTF very, very possible.

Rome draw probably tomorrow.o_O:eek:
 

UnforcedTerror

Semi-Pro
Thiem is 27, Nadal is ancient at 34. Using every bit of tennis logic over the past 51 years of the Open Era, Thiem should be beating Rafa with a blindfold on, on any court, anywhere in the world.

But he won't.
But have we seen anyone like Bull on clay in the past 51 years of the Open Era?

As much as I want it to happen, Thiem should not be beating the Bull at RG because Bull is still too good for him and for everyone else.
 
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TripleATeam

Legend
Wait until Thiem wins the US Open. I don't even think he's the favorite against Medvedev here, let alone a sure thing to win the USO.

Maybe once he wins, we'll see if he has a chance of grabbing #1.
 

NADALalot

Professional
Thiem already has a problem with stamina at the end of slams, and he's absolutely screwed his French Open chances (if he had any to being with) by playing the US Open and going deep.
Nadal probably won't even drop a set at Rome/Roland Garros.
20 slams incoming and many more to come!
 

Rosstour

Hall of Fame
Thiem is 27, Nadal is ancient at 34. Using every bit of tennis logic over the past 51 years of the Open Era, Thiem should be beating Rafa with a blindfold on, on any court, anywhere in the world.

But he won't.
Yup. Thiem won't beat Rafa until both are on the senior tour.
 

NADALalot

Professional
If he wins the USO he made the right decision and he will be okay with not winning the FO.
True, plus he probably didn't expect to win the FO anyway, given that he was double-breadsticked in last year's FO final....
Whereas he was very close to winning the AO, and must feel confident about winning hardcourt slams now and next year.
 

Born_to_slice

Hall of Fame
Please Timmy got routined. In 4 matches against RAFA at RG he’s won a grand total of 1 set. He doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt in last years F.
With equal rest as Thiem, Nadal would be in much bigger trouble last year. And Thiem is now peaking so past results are just that - past. For example, Thiem got routined by Novak in RG 2016 but this year they played 5 sets in AO. Times are changing.
 

MeatTornado

G.O.A.T.
Please Timmy got routined. In 4 matches against RAFA at RG he’s won a grand total of 1 set. He doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt in last years F.
Yup. 2018 is all you need to look at. He was in just as good, if not better form for that RG and he lost in straights.

2017 I certainly cut him some slack on. But Rafa's level in 18 was much lower and Thiem's was higher, yet he still lost in straights. Proper rest isn't enough to convince me he suddenly flips the script completely in 2019.
 

The Blond Blur

Hall of Fame
With equal rest as Thiem, Nadal would be in much bigger trouble last year. And Thiem is now peaking so past results are just that - past. For example, Thiem got routined by Novak in RG 2016 but this year they played 5 sets in AO. Times are changing.
Where’s the basis for this claim? All you have to do is look at the 2018 F which ended in a straight sets beat down. The first 2 sets of 2019 were competitive, but then Timmy was fed bakery products in sets 3-4.

Your comparison on how Timmy from RG 2016 vs the 2020 AO doesn’t work. Way more time past between those events and Joker is now past his prime which ended after RG 2016.
 

BeatlesFan

Talk Tennis Guru
Please Timmy got routined. In 4 matches against RAFA at RG he’s won a grand total of 1 set. He doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt in last years F.
And after Thiem won the second set last year, he was annihilated 6-1, 6-1 by Rafa.

I think people are forgetting that Thiem may have the game to beat Nadal at RG, but he sure as hell doesn't have the mental strength or belief. That's been proven time and time again against lesser opponents on less iconic courts. To beat Nadal in a FO final is without doubt the hardest task in tennis. I just don't think he's up to it, or anything close to being mentally able to do it.
 

The Blond Blur

Hall of Fame
And after Thiem won the second set last year, he was annihilated 6-1, 6-1 by Rafa.

I think people are forgetting that Thiem may have the game to beat Nadal at RG, but he sure as hell doesn't have the mental strength or belief. That's been proven time and time again against lesser opponents on less iconic courts. To beat Nadal in a FO final is without doubt the hardest task in tennis. I just don't think he's up to it, or anything close to being mentally able to do it.
Pretty much this. If he wins I’ll eat crow, I just don’t see that happening.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Yup. 2018 is all you need to look at. He was in just as good, if not better form for that RG and he lost in straights.

2017 I certainly cut him some slack on. But Rafa's level in 18 was much lower and Thiem's was higher, yet he still lost in straights. Proper rest isn't enough to convince me he suddenly flips the script completely in 2019.
Tim broke his keg coming into 2018 clay, hoorible form coming to RG and had grueling tournament the week before to find some form and yet fools make excuses for Nadal 2017 Rome.:sneaky:
 

MeatTornado

G.O.A.T.
And after Thiem won the second set last year, he was annihilated 6-1, 6-1 by Rafa.

I think people are forgetting that Thiem may have the game to beat Nadal at RG, but he sure as hell doesn't have the mental strength or belief. That's been proven time and time again against lesser opponents on less iconic courts. To beat Nadal in a FO final is without doubt the hardest task in tennis. I just don't think he's up to it, or anything close to being mentally able to do it.
Didn't have the mental strength to close out Djokovic in Australia but apparently he's going to finally beat Nadal in Paris.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
And after Thiem won the second set last year, he was annihilated 6-1, 6-1 by Rafa.

I think people are forgetting that Thiem may have the game to beat Nadal at RG, but he sure as hell doesn't have the mental strength or belief. That's been proven time and time again against lesser opponents on less iconic courts. To beat Nadal in a FO final is without doubt the hardest task in tennis. I just don't think he's up to it, or anything close to being mentally able to do it.
If fed had not folded up like a cheap accordion in the sf wouldn’t have been such an absolute joke.:sneaky:
 

Meles

Bionic Poster


That match with Joker only went 2 days and the 2nd day was only a little over a set long. If he actually came close to winning I’d entertain the idea. But given what actually happened Timmy can only claim the moral schlem.
we see this time and time again and slam as the player with a rough road goes down in the final. Care to list exceptions. 2018 Not even remotely even Ground.

in a month will see who’s holding the title.:sneaky:
 

King No1e

G.O.A.T.
Didn't have the mental strength to close out Djokovic in Australia but apparently he's going to finally beat Nadal in Paris.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Well he did have the mental strength to close out 3 tiebreaks against Nadal in Australia. Not to mention he's beaten Nadal every year on clay since 2015.
 
Pretty much this. If he wins I’ll eat crow, I just don’t see that happening.
Thiem has the game to challenge current Nadal on clay. The fact that he didn't do it in RG so far doesn't mean he will not do it next time. He was also destroyed 6-2 6-1 6-4 by Djokovic in RG 2016, then beat him in their next 2 RG meetings.
 

BeatlesFan

Talk Tennis Guru
we see this time and time again and slam as the player with a rough road goes down in the final. Care to list exceptions.
Yes-- Stefan Edberg in the USO 1992-- he played five five-set matches to win the title.

2017 Federer-- he played four five set matches to win the title.

2014 AO-- Stan-- another tough road, including a 9-7 fifth set over Djoker in the semis.
 

The Blond Blur

Hall of Fame
we see this time and time again and slam as the player with a rough road goes down in the final. Care to list exceptions. 2018 Not even remotely even Ground.

in a month will see who’s holding the title.:sneaky:
AO 09 for starters. I like Timmy, but he’s no RAFA :cool:
 

BeatlesFan

Talk Tennis Guru
Well he did have the mental strength to close out 3 tiebreaks against Nadal in Australia. Not to mention he's beaten Nadal every year on clay since 2015.
Who gives a sh-t?? Coric and Zverev have beaten Fed at Halle, they wouldn't come close to him on Centre Court at Wimbledon. Apples and oranges. Thiem beating Rafa on clay in Argentina or Barcelona might as well be the far side of the moon compared to beating him BO5 on Chatrier.

We're talking about something that has never been done ever: beating Rafa in a FO final.
 
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