Fedovic subpar form post Wimbledon

rUDin 21

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Djokovic and Federer have been pretty bad after that Wimbledon final.
Djokovic is 13-3 with title in Tokyo(but that was Eastbourne 17 type of draw) SF,QF and 4R.
Federer is 9-3 with Laver Cup title,2 QFs and 3R.
Together, they have only one atp final since Wimbledon.Coincidence? Let's not forget that in this part of the season they were taking titles every year.(Cincy,USO,Shanghai)
Is it possible that one match has taken so much out of them that they cannot recuperate for the rest of the year?
 

Enga

Hall of Fame
I anticipated a lull in action for the Big 3 after Wimbledon. Surprised that Nadal ended up winning USO, but I suspect all 3 are tired now. Luckily for them break time is almost soon.
 

ChrisRF

Hall of Fame
Is it possible that one match has taken so much out of them that they cannot recuperate for the rest of the year?
If so then only mentally. The body should be fully recovered after a few days, even with well over 30 and after the most grueling 5-setter.

But surely Federer was/is mentally down after it and Djokovic had a shoulder injury at the US Open and maybe Australian Open is the next thing he cares about now.
 

octogon

Hall of Fame
If so then only mentally. The body should be fully recovered after a few days, even with well over 30 and after the most grueling 5-setter.

But surely Federer was/is mentally down after it and Djokovic had a shoulder injury at the US Open and maybe Australian Open is the next thing he cares about now.

Not so sure the shoulder injury was a big/real thing. More like an exaggerated ache or niggle, which all Pros carry. A real shoulder injury would have probably shut down his season.

But it did allow him to keep the Aura of not losing when healthy. Don't think NextGen buy that aura though.
 

papertank

Hall of Fame
Djokovic has actually been pretty lackluster all year apart from two matches (ironically the most important ones), the AO final and the Wimbledon final. Even in the Wimbledon final he was beaten pretty definitively in every stat there is besides the actual scoreline. Should not be understated how clutch he has been this year to peak at the exact right times.

Fed has definitely not been in great form recently but that could also be due to the fact that he's played a ton of matches this year compared to the last couple. He's gone deep in a lot of events, including all the clay events, but doesn't have much to show for it other than a Masters title. At this point I could definitely see him being a bit deflated. I'd be surprised if he doesn't find some form for Basel and the WTF though.
 

Fedforever

Hall of Fame
Is it possible that one match has taken so much out of them that they cannot recuperate for the rest of the year?
Maybe. Perhaps after those extreme emotions everything feels a bit flat? Also I saw an interview with Pete Sampras once where he said that after his last US Open "mentally, I was done." We talk about how long players can last physically but there's a mental strain as well.

I do think there's a possible scenario where Novak might actually have been better off losing the match. But only time will tell on that one!!
 
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MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
Maybe. Perhaps after those extreme emotions everything feels a bit flat? Also I saw an interview with Pete Sampras once where he said that after the US Open "mentally, I was done." We talk about how long players can last physically but there's a mental strain as well.

I do think there's a possible scenario where Novak might actually have been better off losing the match. But only time will tell on that one!!
The season should end the Oct 15th. Get 2 asian tournaments in at the end of Sept, then the WTF starting this week, and let them REST and LIVE. Silly how they basically get 4 weeks off every year.
 

rUDin 21

Rookie
If so then only mentally. The body should be fully recovered after a few days, even with well over 30 and after the most grueling 5-setter.

But surely Federer was/is mentally down after it and Djokovic had a shoulder injury at the US Open and maybe Australian Open is the next thing he cares about now.
He should care about WTF though and YE#1
 
It's pretty funny how based on Tokyo and the first 2 matches in Shanghai people were saying that Djokovic is back to his best and looks unbeatable, but once he lost it went to "subpar form since Wimbledon".
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
USO showed that Novak and Federer ain’t “saving themselves” for slams. Many thinks they do.
That AO they will show up again.
It is more than enough time between Wimbledon and USO.
 
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Legend
As a Fed fan,I am Very happy for what Fed is achieving at 38 years

Hop man Cup
Dubai
Miami
Halle
Laver Cup
Wimb Finals
RG SF

AO he lost 2 tiebreakers and USO he was injured .

What is there to complain ??
Agree that winning Dubai, Miami, Wimbledon final, etc. are good achievements. But being injured at the USO? He has been injured at the USO since 2017. He was reportedly injured at the USO 2017, USO 2018 and USO 2019. Being injured at the USO 3 years in a row is not something to be proud of.
 
Agree that winning Dubai, Miami, Wimbledon final, etc. are good achievements. But being injured at the USO? He has been injured at the USO since 2017. He was reportedly injured at the USO 2017, USO 2018 and USO 2019. Being injured at the USO 3 years in a row is not something to be proud of.
I wouldn't call Wimbledon final a good achievement. Not for Federer, and not after the way he lost it. People are overreacting a bit too much about his age. He was fit enough to win the title this year, but he didn't.
 
Agree that winning Dubai, Miami, Wimbledon final, etc. are good achievements. But being injured at the USO? He has been injured at the USO since 2017. He was reportedly injured at the USO 2017, USO 2018 and USO 2019. Being injured at the USO 3 years in a row is not something to be proud of.
As opposed to being injured for 15 years straight?
 

UnderratedSlam

Hall of Fame
Djokovic and Federer have been pretty bad after that Wimbledon final.
Djokovic is 13-3 with title in Tokyo(but that was Eastbourne 17 type of draw) SF,QF and 4R.
Federer is 9-3 with Laver Cup title,2 QFs and 3R.
Together, they have only one atp final since Wimbledon.Coincidence? Let's not forget that in this part of the season they were taking titles every year.(Cincy,USO,Shanghai)
Is it possible that one match has taken so much out of them that they cannot recuperate for the rest of the year?
1. That finale match was the 7th match in a tiring slam. For both.

2. They both had injury issues at USO.

3. Novak's results weren't "pretty bad". They were nothing special. By his standards.
 

Shaj

Rookie
Novak is not 25 or 28 anymore..Physically he has declined, I have no doubt about it..In fact every match, I am on tenderhooks whether his body holds up for the duration of the match.Dude has faced toughest of the competition amongst the big three and received the least adulation too..All this is gonna take a mental,physical,emotional toll at some critical levels.

Sometimes it's the elbow,sometimes it's the shoulder.

I am his fan hardcore but even I have come to terms that he cannot dominate everything like before..it is tough to accept but it is what it is..

Plus these latest batch of 6 and a half feet of next gens..overpowering them everytime is not easy..

Also I haven't seen him hit a proper full blooded forehand or backhand since Australian open. .Dude is hanging on just on the wake of his sheer Mental prowess..Physically he has declined like 10,20 percent..
 

rUDin 21

Rookie
1. That finale match was the 7th match in a tiring slam. For both.

2. They both had injury issues at USO.

3. Novak's results weren't "pretty bad". They were nothing special. By his standards.
By his standards, of course.I was expecting at least one more masters title though.
 

rUDin 21

Rookie
It's pretty funny how based on Tokyo and the first 2 matches in Shanghai people were saying that Djokovic is back to his best and looks unbeatable, but once he lost it went to "subpar form since Wimbledon".
I wasn't saying that he is back to his best,he won Tokyo which I compared to Eastbourne 17.That is not real sign that he is unbeatable again.But his form is subpar since Wimbledon final.
 

Apun94

Hall of Fame
The season should end the Oct 15th. Get 2 asian tournaments in at the end of Sept, then the WTF starting this week, and let them REST and LIVE. Silly how they basically get 4 weeks off every year.
If this happened I dont know how some of the people over here would survive
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Djokovic and Federer have been pretty bad after that Wimbledon final.
Djokovic is 13-3 with title in Tokyo(but that was Eastbourne 17 type of draw) SF,QF and 4R.
Federer is 9-3 with Laver Cup title,2 QFs and 3R.
Together, they have only one atp final since Wimbledon.Coincidence? Let's not forget that in this part of the season they were taking titles every year.(Cincy,USO,Shanghai)
Is it possible that one match has taken so much out of them that they cannot recuperate for the rest of the year?
NO. Djokovic had his victory over Medvedev stolen from him in Cincy. Looked awesome in Asia as well, but Goatsipas figured him out. Had a Wawrinjury at US Open.

Federer does not like ball crushers and that is what hit him in Cincy and Shanghai. Dimitrov fluked the US Open win; insane. Frankly I think Federer is well positioned for WTF. He'll do well in Basel, skip Paris and be fresh with a good chance of playing his best. Some bad luck really, but this just leaves him a bit more rested for WTF. ;)
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Novak is not 25 or 28 anymore..Physically he has declined, I have no doubt about it..In fact every match, I am on tenderhooks whether his body holds up for the duration of the match.Dude has faced toughest of the competition amongst the big three and received the least adulation too..All this is gonna take a mental,physical,emotional toll at some critical levels.

Sometimes it's the elbow,sometimes it's the shoulder.

I am his fan hardcore but even I have come to terms that he cannot dominate everything like before..it is tough to accept but it is what it is..

Plus these latest batch of 6 and a half feet of next gens..overpowering them everytime is not easy..

Also I haven't seen him hit a proper full blooded forehand or backhand since Australian open. .Dude is hanging on just on the wake of his sheer Mental prowess..Physically he has declined like 10,20 percent..
Exactly. He's been very, very wily and oh you forget to mention that he has the best first serve of his career.;) It has been a lot of mental prowess, good draws except maybe Auz Open where he still crushed, and the intelligence to know he can't resurrect the Becker 2nd serve game or the total baseline domination game from his peak. Still smarter and much bigger first serve help a whole lot at slams.o_O
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Especially the mono definition, right?
Mono:
~noun
1. Disease that allows Roger Federer to win sometimes, and to “not to lose” the rest of the time. When Roger wins, Roger wins. When Roger loses, mono didn’t allow him to win.

The truth sometimes is funny and gave Nole an easier ride for his first slam. Would love to see Nadal at RG with mono.;)
 

DSH

Legend
Mono:
~noun
1. Disease that allows Roger Federer to win sometimes, and to “not to lose” the rest of the time. When Roger wins, Roger wins. When Roger loses, mono didn’t allow him to win.

The truth sometimes is funny and gave Nole an easier ride for his first slam. Would love to see Nadal at RG with mono.;)
why Ancic and Soderling (and to a lesser extent, Roddick) withdrew so soon and why does the other continue playing at an advanced age?
Is that mononucleosis has different degrees of affectation to those who suffer from it?
:rolleyes:
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
why Ancic and Soderling (and to a lesser extent, Roddick) withdrew so soon and why does the other continue playing at an advanced age?
Is that mononucleosis has different degrees of affectation to those who suffer from it?
:rolleyes:
Could be Federer was just that great that he could take a hit to his physical level and still compete.:unsure: My guess is he 98% recovered that even Fed himself in a private moment doesn't know the long term impact. My own studies of ascent and decline of players makes it clear to me that age 29 is a peak of sorts where stamina, strength, and perhaps tennis knowledge help players be their best. Also its very hard to peak early with the modern game (Medvedev is probably nearing his speed peak now and just breaking into top of game.)

So 2009 should have been a peak for Fed. It was of sorts, but I must say he was very beatable that year and RG was handed to him on a silver platter. Perhaps without mono definitely throwing his game in early 2008, 2009 would have been more impressive. Also being thrown off your game for a long time usually makes it harder to climb back. Djokovic, Fed, Murray, and Nadal have certainly overcome some big hurdles and down periods, but not instantly. Fed is the rare exception where one comes from almost nowhere (2017 Auz Open) and finds a great level so perhaps the impact was not all that much for him with the mono. I have to say both he and Murray who did quite well from late 2008 until mid-2009 seem to have taken a definite hit in level from what perhaps they might have been (Murray start of back/hip issues). With Fed it could have made him greater later because it may have heightened his training discipline. Fed's problems could easily be explained by his own arrogance at not having coaching for so long plus hanging on to the smaller racket for five years too long.:sneaky:
 
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