Feedback please on this 4.0 matchplay

andrehanderson

Semi-Pro
First few games were a warm-up so we were both spraying balls quite a bit.

Also, any tips on improving my forehand would be greatly appreciated (I'm in the cap)


Thanks!
 

denoted

Rookie
If those serve speeds were measured with the radars they use at pro events, I have to believe they would be somewhat faster.
 
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andrehanderson

Semi-Pro
Swingvision is awesome. I doubt the speeds are correct, but its still such a cool app. My opponent in the video started a youtube channel collecting all of the matches he plays in our tennis community. Really great quality video and editing.
 

andrehanderson

Semi-Pro
I played 4.0 in Los Angeles a few years back and won about 50% of my matches. I've practiced quite a bit since then but haven't played in a league so I'm probably slightly better but not much.

The first few minutes are pretty bad because we kinda skipped the warmup, but if you have the patience to watch the whole thing you'll see the consistency somewhat improves. Thanks for checking it out and giving feedback.
 

zaph

Professional
it looks like a fun match but realistically any half decent pushers or junkballer would destroy either of you. You're both playing an error strewn baseline game and most points are won on unforced errors. It 3.5 level stuff I am afraid. To be fair, if I was American, that would be my level as well.
 
Nice hitting. Your backhand is crafty.
What I noticed about your forehand was that you have so-called chicken-wing. Your elbow is close to your body and your shoulder is tense. Your swinging force comes from your torso rotation that swings your racket fixed by tense shoulder and arms. For consistency, you'd better relax your shoulder and use the weight of racket for swinging. Transitioning from "being tense" to "relaxed" requires you to let go of your desire for control for awhile and takes some time to learn. But it is really worthwhile in the long run.
 

andrehanderson

Semi-Pro
Thanks so much, BallChaser. I have worked so hard on fixing my weird forehand and it works during warmup but falls apart in the match and I revert to that weird chickenwing/slappy thing that is effective and has a lot of pace but also results in a lot of unforced errors. I'll keep your tips in mind because I hadn't considered relaxing my shoulder--I was always looking for a change in position as a solution.
 

Chas Tennis

G.O.A.T.
First few games were a warm-up so we were both spraying balls quite a bit.

Also, any tips on improving my forehand would be greatly appreciated (I'm in the cap)


Thanks!
Compare your forehand to Djokovic's, one above the other and single frame. To single frame in Youtube use the period & comma keys. Always select the video with alt key + left mouse click , otherwise the video starts playing. You can go full screen and come back down and the video stays on the same frame. For most accurate results, compare videos from the same camera angles.

Compare your video forehand at 6:41. You are not pressured, ball height is good, you hit your best technique. The camera angle is similar between the two videos. For a large percentage of your forehands, you don't prepare. Look at those and decide if you had time enough to get into better positions.

2nd video starts at 6:40. Get your video on the frame with impact and get Djokovic's on impact. Then step back and forth single frame comparing the most similar arm-racket positions.


Warning - Djokovic is very flexible and displays a very wide range of motion often when he wants to hit pace. Avoid abdominal & spine twisting if you have risk factors. Limit your abdominal & spine twisting, also called separation. If you have had any back issues, don't experiment with separation unless you know that it is safe.

One of the most significant sources of racket head speed is the twisting of the trunk & spine. You can see it by observing the line between the two shoulders and the line between the two hips. The angle between those two lines is the separation angle. These two lines move independently backwards and forwards as you can see in the Djokovic video. In TV broadcasts, watch the speed of the uppermost body turn (shoulders line) in the ATP and WTA players. What % of the forehands do they display the uppermost body turn?

I'd say that the basic stroke has uppermost body turn, separation going back, the hips line moves independently of the shoulders line going backwards and forwards. There is a two phase timing 1st uppermost body turns, 2nd shoulder joint motion occurs before impact.


When I look at your separation, it looks minimal. The shoulders line moves more with the hips line - when you do this your abdominal muscles are not being used as much as the pros are using them. Stretch shorten cycles in your abdominal muscles are not being used.

Compare your good form unpressured forehands, note the times in the video, and make lists of the differences that you see. Count the % of forehands where you don't move and improvise a forehand with no technique. Decide forehand or backhand within a very short time after the ball is hit. In the first 6 feet?

Search forum: forehand separation Chas
 
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andrehanderson

Semi-Pro
Compare your forehand to Djokovic's, one above the other and single frame. To single frame in Youtube use the period & comma keys. Always select the video with alt key + left mouse click , otherwise the video starts playing. You can go full screen and come back down and the video stays on the same frame. For most accurate results, compare videos from the same camera angles.

Compare your video forehand at 6:41. You are not pressured, ball height is good, you hit your best technique. The camera angle is similar between the two videos. For a large percentage of your forehands, you don't prepare. Look at those and decide if you had time enough to get into better positions.

Starts at 6:40.

Warning - Djokovic is very flexible and displays a very wide range of motion often when he wants to hit pace. Avoid abdominal & spine twisting if you have risk factors. Limit your abdominal & spine twisting, also called separation. If you have had any back issues, don't experiment with separation unless you know that it is safe.

One of the most significant sources of racket head speed is the twisting of the trunk & spine. You can see it by observing the line between the two shoulders and the line between the two hips. The angle between those two lines is the separation angle. These two lines move independently backwards and forwards as you can see in the Djokovic video. In TV broadcasts, watch the speed of the uppermost body turn (shoulders line) in the ATP and WTA players. What % of the forehands do they display the uppermost body turn?

I'd say that the basic stroke has uppermost body turn, separation going back, the hips line moves independently of the shoulders line going backwards and forwards. There is a two phase timing 1st uppermost body turns, 2nd shoulder joint motion occurs before impact.


When I look at your separation, it looks minimal. The shoulders line moves more with the hips line - when you do this your abdominal muscles are not being used as much as the pros are using them. Stretch shorten cycles in your abdominal muscles are not being used.

Compare your good form unpressured forehands, note the times in the video, and make lists of the differences that you see. Count the % of forehands where you don't move and improvise a forehand with no technique.

Search forum: forehand separation Chas

That was fantastic, thank you. I'm going to do exactly what you suggest. Thank you so much.
 

andrehanderson

Semi-Pro
It looks as if his hips line turns forward a little before his shoulders line starts forward. Djokovic does that also. I've posted on separation before.
Thanks...thats me from a few years ago. Looks like my forehand has gotten worse rather than better. Ill look for your old posts. Thank you
 

Chas Tennis

G.O.A.T.
Thanks...thats me from a few years ago. Looks like my forehand has gotten worse rather than better. Ill look for your old posts. Thank you
An issue to settle is your current flexibility and comfort.

You can compare any videos by just posting them on the forum, one above the other and using the instructions. You have a bent elbow forehand.

The racket face for a high level ATP forehand should be closed say 5-10 degrees just before impact. See high speed videos from the side camera view. See Tennisspeed article on Djokovic's forehand. #9

Your old video of your forehand is now in post #16. I believe that is a first, comparing the same poster's strokes from the past to the present.
 
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andrehanderson

Semi-Pro
An issue to settle is your current flexibility and comfort.

You can compare any videos by just posting them on the forum, one above the other and using the instructions. You have a bent elbow forehand.

The racket face for a high level ATP forehand should be closed say 5-10 degrees just before impact. See high speed videos from the side camera view. See Tennisspeed article on Djokovic's forehand. #9

Your old video of your forehand is now in post #16. I believe that is a first, comparing the same poster's strokes from the past to the present.
Thanks again. I'm going to review some video according to your suggestions and try things out on the court.
 

FiddlerDog

Professional
See Novak's body ? Put your video next to his and compare your body with Novak's body.
To single frame in Youtube use the period & comma keys.
If you look very closely, you will notice your body is not like Novak's

Tennis is a game of movement.
The #1 thing on your tennis list should be to lose weight.
Fixing your diet will be the single best thing to improve your tennis.

Ignore all advice to modify your forehand. Your FH is great. You hit a great ball for a rec player.
Novak also has a bent elbow FH. Maybe he needs to fix his strokes on a tennis forum?
Do not take internet advice from 3.5 tennis players. They do not understand tennis.
 
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andrehanderson

Semi-Pro
See Novak's body ? Put your video next to his and compare your body with Novak's body.
To single frame in Youtube use the period & comma keys.
If you look very closely, you will notice your body is not like Novak's

Tennis is a game of movement.
The #1 thing on your tennis list should be to lose weight.
Fixing your diet will be the single best thing to improve your tennis.

Ignore all advice to modify your forehand. Your FH is great. You hit a great ball for a rec player.
Novak also has a bent elbow FH. Maybe he needs to fix his strokes on a tennis forum?
Do not take internet advice from 3.5 tennis players. They do not understand tennis.

Can't argue about the shape I'm in--it's embarrassing. I was an athlete my whole life and now, at 50, I'm a mess. I just don't have the self discipline I used to have.
 

socallefty

Legend
Can't argue about the shape I'm in--it's embarrassing. I was an athlete my whole life and now, at 50, I'm a mess. I just don't have the self discipline I used to have.

Age is just a number - you can be fit at 50. Eat smaller portions and don’t eat unhealthy snacks between meals. Avoid sugar, alcohol and processed foods as much as you can. As you get older and wiser, your discipline should be increasing and not decreasing.

I play tennis every day in my early fifties including singles four times a week.
 

dr325i

G.O.A.T.

Age is just a number - you can be fit at 50. Eat smaller portions and don’t eat unhealthy snacks between meals. Avoid sugar, alcohol and processed foods as much as you can. As you get older and wiser, your discipline should be increasing and not decreasing.

I play tennis every day in my early fifties including singles four times a week.
I am also 50 and playing tennis every day for 2 hours in TX heat but follow strict discipline. I did notice that if I divert from the routine things get ugly and slower for me...
 

andrehanderson

Semi-Pro
I am also 50 and playing tennis every day for 2 hours in TX heat but follow strict discipline. I did notice that if I divert from the routine things get ugly and slower for me...

Where in Texas? We play in Prosper. You should join us if you're nearby.
 

WB338

New User
I'm in Austin, 53. Play 6 days a week 2-4 hours, mainly singles. The key is what you put into your body. Without the right discipline on your diet you are fighting a losing battle. Resistance training is a must as well.
 

socallefty

Legend
You sound like fun.

:-D :p
I have an excuse - I didn’t grow up in the US and have a different view of what is funo_O Eating unhealthy snacks, large portions, too much sugar or processed foods was never considered fun when I was growing up. Eating tasty, freshly prepared food from seasonal ingredients in small portions during long meals with a lot of meal-time conversation and then eating many tasty tropical fruits for ‘dessert’ was how we enjoyed life.

Drinking alcohol is fun and not drinking much in order to play tennis better is the only real ‘sacrifice’ I’ve made to stay healthy and beat younger players.
 

Rosstour

Legend
I'm in Austin, 53. Play 6 days a week 2-4 hours, mainly singles. The key is what you put into your body. Without the right discipline on your diet you are fighting a losing battle. Resistance training is a must as well.
Can you share some dietary tips?
 

Nellie

Hall of Fame
Don't fall backwards, move into the shot.
+1) I saw several errors related to you hitting while moving backwards through the FH stroke. Think of moving backwards, setting your feet before the ball bounces (even if that means you will be hitting a hard low shot), and then swing with your set feet to move into the ball.

I also think you are frequently waiting too long to take your racquet back and start to swing. To make up for this delay, you are using a really short, compact stroke that starts a at your side, but even that short stroke does not work when the ball is coming fast. I find that if I am swinging late, it helps me to think of pointing at the incoming ball with my left (BH) hand to get a shoulder rotation and to focus on the ball earlier.
 

socallefty

Legend
You sound like fun.

:-D :p
I am up 20 pounds at the moment, so dubs is my jam where if someone has good fitness in 4.0, if I can't stick to a serve +1 or attacking game with quick points (need to really be on my game for that, or it is error city) then I am dying, struggling to get to balls, out of position, and reaching for a lot.
Having a lot of fun? :-D

Sorry - couldn’t help but troll when I saw your post today - apologies.
 

WB338

New User
After a certain age, alcohol has almost zero fun and is a no brainer to cut out.
I haven't had a drink in years and don't even think about it. Total waste of calories and sleep
I cut out alcohol 3 years ago, and it was a significant performance enhancer.
 

socallefty

Legend
I cut out alcohol 3 years ago, and it was a significant performance enhancer.
For tennis I agree. There are other ‘sports’ where a nice bottle of wine or a few interesting cocktails are great mood-setters and in moderation performance enhancers;)

The right quality of wine, whisky or after-dinner brandies/liqueurs is ‘fun’ at any age.
 

Power Player

Bionic Poster
First few games were a warm-up so we were both spraying balls quite a bit.

Also, any tips on improving my forehand would be greatly appreciated (I'm in the cap)


Thanks!
You hit off your back foot way too much. You are falling backwards like you are Nadal in the French receiving 80 MPH groundies. Your opponent can't finish short balls or hit with a lot of pace. You should be balanced and moving forward on a lot more of those FHs. That's the big issue I see with your FH.
 

andrehanderson

Semi-Pro
You hit off your back foot way too much. You are falling backwards like you are Nadal in the French receiving 80 MPH groundies. Your opponent can't finish short balls or hit with a lot of pace. You should be balanced and moving forward on a lot more of those FHs. That's the big issue I see with your FH.
Very true about falling backwards. I dont know if it's my eyesight or anticipation, but I constantly feel rushed and so I fall back for a little more time. Huge mistake, I agree
 

andrehanderson

Semi-Pro
First few games were a warm-up so we were both spraying balls quite a bit.

Also, any tips on improving my forehand would be greatly appreciated (I'm in the cap)


Thanks!
I wish I could play every point like the one I played at 9:35. I think that it is nearly indistinguishable from D1 level playing in that point alone. Perhaps not the weird slice forehand I hit, but the rest of the shots were pretty solid. Why cant I do that every point>?
 

Wise one

Hall of Fame
I wish I could play every point like the one I played at 9:35. I think that it is nearly indistinguishable from D1 level playing in that point alone. Perhaps not the weird slice forehand I hit, but the rest of the shots were pretty solid. Why cant I do that every point>?
Cause you're 3.5.
 
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