Feedback please on this 4.0 matchplay

Wise one

Hall of Fame
I know what 4.0 play looks like. This isn't it. Every other shot is an UE, and the strokes are inconsistent. No attempt is made to get to the net, and easy shots are missed.
 

andrehanderson

Semi-Pro
That's fine. Doesn't really change anything. I'll just say that I played 4.0 in L.A. (pretty high level relative to most of the rest of the country) and won a little over half my matches.
 

Wise one

Hall of Fame
That's fine. Doesn't really change anything. I'll just say that I played 4.0 in L.A. (pretty high level relative to most of the rest of the country) and won a little over half my matches.

That's the trouble with NTRP. It's so subjective. I know that many players under-rate themselves. 4.5 players compete in 3.5 leagues and win easily, and they delude themselves that this makes them great.
 

andrehanderson

Semi-Pro
That's the trouble with NTRP. It's so subjective. I know that many players under-rate themselves. 4.5 players compete in 3.5 leagues and win easily, and they delude themselves that this makes them great.
Doesnt that support the argument that I should play in 4.0? If players are playing down and I had a 50% win rate at 4.0, then that seems like exactly where I should be. Or did I misunderstand?
 

Wise one

Hall of Fame
Doesnt that support the argument that I should play in 4.0? If players are playing down and I had a 50% win rate at 4.0, then that seems like exactly where I should be. Or did I misunderstand?
Not if everybody else in this 4.0 league is really 3.5 and doing the same thing, which is quite likely. You should try to find players who beat you 6-1 every time. Then you'll improve. From what you showed in this video, you both look like 3.5.

The main differentiators in level are the serve, return of serve, backhand, and overhead.
 
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JW89

New User
I wish I could play every point like the one I played at 9:35. I think that it is nearly indistinguishable from D1 level playing in that point alone. Perhaps not the weird slice forehand I hit, but the rest of the shots were pretty solid. Why cant I do that every point>?
This is top tier delusion, surely you can’t be serious? I will assume you have never been to or watched a D1 match because this is nowhere even close
 

andrehanderson

Semi-Pro
This is top tier delusion, surely you can’t be serious? I will assume you have never been to or watched a D1 match because this is nowhere even close
I dont have any delusions. I'm an out of shape, average player who just turned 50 and I struggle with all types of players and my groundstrokes, serves and volleys--probably more than others who have been playing as long as I have.

But some points end up cool and it's fun to watch them and get reactions from others when they watch them. That's about all.

That point was a cool one to me because, with the exception of the forehand slice, I was moving the ball well--deep and close to the lines--then finished it with a clean winner. So in my own pathetic way, it feels 20% D1 and 80% just joking around.
 

Mungo

New User
Doesnt that support the argument that I should play in 4.0? If players are playing down and I had a 50% win rate at 4.0, then that seems like exactly where I should be. Or did I misunderstand?
Yeah, I am following your point here. If people are chronically underrating themselves…then the 4s you’re playing (and are 50-50 against) are really 4.5s and 5s! If I have learned anything from following this thread it is that these ratings are a distraction and if I ever want help I would simply post “recreational player wants feedback”.
 

andrehanderson

Semi-Pro
Yeah, I am following your point here. If people are chronically underrating themselves…then the 4s you’re playing (and are 50-50 against) are really 4.5s and 5s! If I have learned anything from following this thread it is that these ratings are a distraction and if I ever want help I would simply post “recreational player wants feedback”.
Yeah, I really did screw up by mentioning ratings. People are correct that your rating is determined by how you perform in a rated match. Im just in really bad shape so I won't find out what my rating really is until I lose some weight and improve my cardio. Thanks
 

WildVolley

Legend
Yeah, I really did screw up by mentioning ratings. People are correct that your rating is determined by how you perform in a rated match. Im just in really bad shape so I won't find out what my rating really is until I lose some weight and improve my cardio. Thanks
Mentioning ratings around here is a good way to set a bunch of people off. Best to not mention rating in the future and just ignore it. You look like a 4.0 player to me, and I played 4.0 for a number of years.

Something looks off with your serve. Sort of reminds me of Tiafoe's serve. You have a noticeable wrist movement prior to contact. Have you taken slow motion video of your serve? It looks a little pushy at contact.
 

andrehanderson

Semi-Pro
Mentioning ratings around here is a good way to set a bunch of people off. Best to not mention rating in the future and just ignore it. You look like a 4.0 player to me, and I played 4.0 for a number of years.

Something looks off with your serve. Sort of reminds me of Tiafoe's serve. You have a noticeable wrist movement prior to contact. Have you taken slow motion video of your serve? It looks a little pushy at contact.
Thanks! This is the only video I have of my serves alone and I guess I could switch the playback settings to slow it down. My serve definitely needs a lot of work. What should I be looking for?

 
My serve definitely needs a lot of work. What should I be looking for?
Is your toss inconsistent? If so, extend your left arm. Your elbow is bent and that is often a source of inconsistent toss. Your overall serve motion is good. Try to reach out and contact higher for power.
 

andrehanderson

Semi-Pro
Is your toss inconsistent? If so, extend your left arm. Your elbow is bent and that is often a source of inconsistent toss. Your overall serve motion is good. Try to reach out and contact higher for power.
great advice, thank you. I need to work on that extension. I find that when I try, I tend to hit the serve long--usually very long.
 
I find that when I try, I tend to hit the serve long--usually very long.
You may be trying to reach out too early in your serve motion. Try the tip of the following video first. This tip makes it easy to contact and control the ball, as well as delays your forward swinging motion a bit, because you have to do shoulder-over-shoulder first. After you become comfortable executing the tip, try "reaching out."

 

andrehanderson

Semi-Pro
You may be trying to reach out too early in your serve motion. Try the tip of the following video first. This tip makes it easy to contact and control the ball, as well as delays your forward swinging motion a bit, because you have to do shoulder-over-shoulder first. After you become comfortable executing the tip, try "reaching out."

Thank you so much, I'll give it a try
 

WildVolley

Legend
Thanks! This is the only video I have of my serves alone and I guess I could switch the playback settings to slow it down. My serve definitely needs a lot of work. What should I be looking for?

Looks pretty good. You may be a little late at contact, which means that your arm is still slightly bent at the elbow. You have good internal rotation, so you're hitting some nice pace.

So, try for slightly higher contact using the same form. That might just mean going up to the ball a fraction of second earlier.

The guy with the wristy serve was your opponent.
 
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