Feliciano won Queens both in singles and doubles. Has it happened before?
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Krish872007
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Philippoussis 1997?
Commentators said something about that on TV
Commentators said something about that on TV
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Really chuffed for him, but imagine Judy is even more chuffed and is now taking her lovely boys out to dinner.
EloQuent
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It used to be really common especially on the WTA (Williams', Hingis, Martina, Court). Hewitt played a lot of doubles, dunno if he ever won the same tournament in both. McEnroe won a bunch of slams in both (USO 79 & 80, Wim 81, 83, 84).
Random somewhat related fun fact: Margaret Court (then Smith) won her first AO when she was still eligible for Juniors. She played juniors and grown ups, won the real title - but lost the junior final. I think it was 1960.
Random somewhat related fun fact: Margaret Court (then Smith) won her first AO when she was still eligible for Juniors. She played juniors and grown ups, won the real title - but lost the junior final. I think it was 1960.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
Correct.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_Stella_Artois_Championships
Philippoussis did it in 1997 at queens.
I Am Finnish
Bionic Poster
raph6
Semi-Pro
Lopez is a top 10 player on grass, he defeated Cilic in 2017 to get the title who won the title against Djokovic the following year.
Sport
G.O.A.T.
Not at Wimbledon, which is somewhat surprising.
Harry_Wild
G.O.A.T.
Feliciano Lopez for 2020 will get back in to the draw with at least a Wild Card for the Queens Club tournament for both singles and doubles, no matter what his ranking is in 2020!
beard
Legend
So, top ten grass player had best result in Winbledon - QF, eight years ago? Yeah, grass field is really better than clay field....
EloQuent
Legend
Nah I think he'll retire. Has a nice cushy job as Madrid TD, getting (re)married soon, asides from this tournament hasn't actually been good. It's a good note to go out on!
Cashman
Hall of Fame
He has said that he will play one more year if his ranking at the end of 2019 still allows him direct entry to the Grand Slams.
Before this tournament he was 113, but this takes him into the top 60.
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EloQuent
Legend
Ah. Well, the 500 points should anchor him there until Wimbledon next year.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Philippoussis was the last one to do it at Queen's in 1997. Berrettini the last one to do it on tour at 2018 Gstaad. Murray won 2011 Tokyo in both singles and doubles (partnering Jamie in the latter).
Tennis_Hands
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augustobt
Legend
Lopez peaking at 37 confirmed.
Martin J
Hall of Fame
Fed peaked at the age of 35, it seems Lopez isn't an early bloomer after all.
Steve Williams
Rookie
Pete Sampras won the Singles at Queens in 1995 and the doubles in the same tournament with Todd Martin.
EllieK
Hall of Fame
And some said queens was so much more difficult than Halle but we had a Lopez/Simon final.
beard
Legend
Its all poor, no big difference... Grass field....
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Todd had beaten Pete in the singles final the year before. Clearly Pete held no grudges!
Subway Tennis
Legend
Hopefully Lopez isn't too gassed out after a big grass court lead-up campaign. It would be a great match to see.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
I wonder what sort of finalists we would get at Halle if Federer adopted Djokovic's and Nadal's attitude and snubbed all the main grass warm-up events?
Sport
G.O.A.T.
Bautista-Goffin is my pick. Maybe Tsonga-Goffin.
helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
Lopez wouldn't be able to win that one. Maybe he could take out Nadal on a good day. That would be great to see.
Sport
G.O.A.T.
Lopez could have defeated Federer at Wimbledon 2013 and Nadal at Wimbledon 2013 and Wimbledon 2015. Not a chance against Federer of 2014-2017 or Nadal of Wimbledon 2018.
In other words, all what it takes is a bad day from Fedal for Feli to have a chance. If Feli has a good day but Fedal are in great shape, he has no chance.
ghostofMecir
Hall of Fame
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
Lopez did beat Nadal in straight sets at Queens 2010, one of the years Nadal won Wimbledon, and given that Nadal has lost to Rosol, Darcis, Brown, Muller and Kyrgios in recent years, I wouldnt give Lopez a chance only if Nadal was playing badly. He has a respectable 4-9 h2h with Nadal and has won the last couple of matches. 1-0 on grass, 3-4 on HC and 0-5 on clay, so it's clear he can compete on quicker surfaces.
Federer is 13-0 vs Lopez but the only time they've met on grass is Wimbledon 2003! When fed won in straights. So seems like he is a bad match up for Lopez, but you never know, I wouldnt have predicted Anderson would beat Federer either
helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
@Sport I agree with you that Lopez might well have been able to beat the Federer of 2013 and that he would have been unlikely to beat the Nadal of 2018, so I agree that he has a chance if they are poor and not if they are at their best. But I also agree with Towser83 that Federer is a tougher matchup for him on grass or hard courts than Nadal, because Lopez has a weak return but a strong serve, so he will struggle against players with a strong serve or strong return. At least on grass, serve and return are Nadal's main (arguably only) weaknesses. In the same way that, say, Zverev finds Nadal a tougher matchup than he does Federer, I think Lopez is better suited to beating Nadal than to beating Federer. So, agreed that Lopez can beat a C grade Nadal or a C grade Federer and can't beat an A grade version of either, but I think he has more chance against B grade Nadal than against B grade Federer.
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Druss
Hall of Fame
Not sure you realise, Lopez is a pure grass court specialist.
Cashman
Hall of Fame
IMO it would be more interesting to see him matched against someone like Djokovic.
Not sure I'd say "pure". It's definitely his best surface, but in addition to his 6 finals on grass he has 4 on clay and 8 on hardcourt. He has also had a lot of success on clay in doubles - including two Masters finals and a French Open title.
Although he gets characterised as a serve-volley player, he is pretty comfortable grinding from the baseline when circumstances suit. Too comfortable, some would say - I reckon he'd have had more success if he had played his grass game a bit more on hardcourts.
Sport
G.O.A.T.
Guillermo Cañas defeated Federer in Miami 2007. Following your logic, because Federer had a great year in 2007, Guillermo Cañas could have defeated a good-playing Federer at the US Open 2007.
Your comment is logically incorrect for two reasons:
1) It assumes if a player A defeats player B in a match, when player B had an overall great year, player B could have not played bad that particular match.
2) It ignores the difference between Masters 1000/ATP 500 (best of 3 and smaller court) and Grand Slams (best of 5, bigger court dimensions).
Only because a player had an overall great year, it doesn't follow that he will play all his matches good during the year. Obviously, Nadal didn't play good that particular match against Feliciano in Queens 2010. Also, Queens is a best of 3 format, and not the same tournament as Wimbledon. Nadal has 2 Wimbledon titles, 5 finals and an extra SF, while Feliciano never got past the QF of Wimbledon. Nadal is clearly the superior grass player, and so, if he plays good at Wimbledon, Feliciano has no chance.
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Cashman
Hall of Fame
u wot m8?
mavsman149
Hall of Fame
Most random player to do it?
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beard
Legend
Yes, and pure grass specialist did nothing in Wimbledon... That is weak grass field I am talking about... My point...
Druss
Hall of Fame
What do you mean he did nothing in Wimbledon? He made 3 QFs and a few R4s! ....for someone who was a fringe top 20 player that's pretty good. What did you expect, that he'd be winning Wimbledon?
beard
Legend
Someone wrote here that he is top 10 grass court player, and I agree.
If the best for top 10 player on grass, at the end of long carrier, is QF on Wimbledon, it shows how bad grass field is.
Top 10 should be almost every year in QF (8 last players, and he IS top 10, right?) , with some SF, even F, or why not a title. That is what I am saying...
Mainad
Bionic Poster
4 of his 7 singles titles have come on grass: 2013-14 Eastbourne, 2017 & 2019 Queen's. (2013 Eastbourne final was also against Simon and also went the distance with 2 breakers and 1 blow-out set.)
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
Lol poor analysis. Firstly I'm not saying he would beat Nadal but our ONLY evidence on how they match up on grass is a match weeks before Nadal won Wimbledon where Lopez win. This tells us he has a chance.
Yes Nadal has a much better record than Lopez on grass but he has a much better record than Brown, Rosol, Kyrgios, Muller and Darcis too, yet all these players beat him at Wimbledon. And even in years he won he struggled with players like Hasse, Petzschner, Kendricks etc. So saying the only year he stood a chance was 2013 is being unfair. Nadal has lost a lot of times early so why couldnt Lopez have a chance when he has a 4-9 record to Nadal, 4-4 on faster surfaces?
With Federer and canas its different because at the point Federer did not have a record of often losing to low ranked players at HC slams. Even so after that I would have said he had a chance to beat Federer, yes. Not certain to beat him but a reasonable chance. These days with Federer losing in slams as early as the 4th round, if he lost to someone on his worst surface (which has has been for Nadal the past few years) I would say they definitely have a chance to beat him at RG
A few points
1. Dont just assume Nadal played a bad match to lose to Lopez, it's incredibly disrespectful.
2. Perhaps he played a bad match in 2012, 2013, 201r, 2015 and 2017 as well because he lost those years to low ranked players so maybe Lopez would have a chance then eh?
3. If Nadal being the superior grass player means Lopez cannot beat him if Nadal plays his best this means that because Fed is a superior grass player compared to Nadal, Nadal would not be able to defeat Fed at Fed's best, which proves he defeated a less than best Fed at Wimbledon 2008. Thank you for proving this with you flawless logic
4. Arguing that just because you have an overall great year you can play bad in one match means that we can say this about Djokocic in the 2013 USO final.match
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