Felix Auger-Aliassime with 2020 Pure Aero VS?

tennisfan14

New User
Watching a recent video of Felix and it seems as though he could be switching to the new Pure Aero VS?

As per the screenshot below, the hoop does not look boxy like the Pure Aero VS/Aerostorm of old.. although it might just be my eye playing tricks on me. It seems more like the Pure Aero hoop, which the new Pure Aero VS for 2020 has. Would be interesting if he has switched, or if he was just trialing the frame.

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Check the beam and the end of the grommets. Still last gen pure aero vs mold (aero storm with inside cortex). Just the pj.


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I usually trust Russell and his keen eye but I think he’s incorrect on this one - almost certain that’s the new Pure Aero VS.
I think you guy were right lol he is using the new PAVS. I took a better look for the original video and the grommets and holes does look exactly like the new one lol my bad
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dr. godmode

Hall of Fame
I'm so excited for this frame. I wonder how closely FAA was involved in the design process. Wish they sold it 3's
 

tennisfan14

New User
Certainly playing more consistent tennis with it compared to at the ATP cup! Would love to know his specs - I recall someone posting his weight and balance with overgrip, but missing swing weight.
 

ron schaap

Hall of Fame
Certainly playing more consistent tennis with it compared to at the ATP cup! Would love to know his specs - I recall someone posting his weight and balance with overgrip, but missing swing weight.
It did not help him yesterday against Rublev. The only thing that is outstanding about him is his footwork. It seems he is very light on his feet.
 

Lavs

Hall of Fame
He uses his old trusty PA VS Original in New York @ Western and Southern Open in R1 against Basilashvili.
Good decision not to switch to new release :)
 

Lavs

Hall of Fame
Why Babolat ruins all that GREAT it produces from time to time and then replaces those great products with much worse ones?
 

ron schaap

Hall of Fame
So...a 7-6, 6-7, 6-4 loss to one of the hottest players on tour right now is not impressive? Did you even watch the match? It was an extremely high quality match.
Rublev is hot but not a top 10 at that time. Furthermore Faa is supposedly the same kind of nextgen. However to my knowledge Faa never has been to second week of a grandslam. These are the only tournanents that really counts.
 

am1899

Legend
Can not be more true!

I couldn’t disagree more. The outgoing VS felt like a cheap toy in the hand - too light and whippy. By contrast, the VS tour was too heavy for me - felt very sluggish and clunky. Sure, nothing a little weight added to the VS probably couldn’t have fixed. But I’m growing tired of tinkering. Neither racquet was a good serving racquet IMO - as mentioned in the TW reviews.

The incoming VS feels much more substantial and solid in the hand. Great serving racquet, and above average feel and maneuverability around the net. If I have any complaints they’re that the racquet lacks plow on defensive shots, and is perhaps missing some of that sublime box beam feel. Still, I think the new Pure Aero VS is one of Bab’s best offerings in several years, giving people a solid option between the Strike and PA/PD lines.
 

Lavs

Hall of Fame
I couldn’t disagree more. The outgoing VS felt like a cheap toy in the hand - too light and whippy. By contrast, the VS tour was too heavy for me - felt very sluggish and clunky. Sure, nothing a little weight added to the VS probably couldn’t have fixed. But I’m growing tired of tinkering. Neither racquet was a good serving racquet IMO - as mentioned in the TW reviews.

The incoming VS feels much more substantial and solid in the hand. Great serving racquet, and above average feel and maneuverability around the net. If I have any complaints they’re that the racquet lacks plow on defensive shots, and is perhaps missing some of that sublime box beam feel. Still, I think the new Pure Aero VS is one of Bab’s best offerings in several years, giving people a solid option between the Strike and PA/PD lines.

Original PAVS feels much more solid and stable than new one. The box beam feel of original PAVS is sublime and has nothing in common with typical babolar feel that new PAVS owns.
 

am1899

Legend
To be clear...the original 'PAVS' was known as the AeroPro Control, and was a beast of a frame:

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Strung Weight: 12oz / 340g
Balance: 6pts Head Light
Swingweight: 340
Stiffness: 70

Good point. Depends on which past PAVS is being referred to.
 

California

Semi-Pro
Rublev is hot but not a top 10 at that time. Furthermore Faa is supposedly the same kind of nextgen. However to my knowledge Faa never has been to second week of a grandslam. These are the only tournanents that really counts.
Well FAA just turned 20 so he is still very young.... Rublev is 22. FAA does have some time to improve his results. His potential looks very good when you see him play. Great athlete and no major weakness. Time will tell.
 

haqq777

Legend
Original PAVS feels much more solid and stable than new one. The box beam feel of original PAVS is sublime and has nothing in common with typical babolar feel that new PAVS owns.

A few things of note here:

1. Original (or the Cortex or the GT) ancestors of PAVS did not have a box beam. They had/have an Aero Modular beam with a more traditional hoop design. I think you are confusing the Pure Control/Storm line that had constant box beams. Either that or maybe you are confusing the somewhat boxy looking hoop design of the early version and calling it beam.

2. The 2016 PAVS feel is nothing similar to the original Aeropro Control (or the Aerostorm Cortex and Aerostorm GT). It is much lighter, less substantial feeling and needs weight almost everywhere. It flutters on heavy balls and feels anemic as well due to considerably less heft.

3. Yes, the 2016 PAVS shares the same mold as AeroStorms but it doesn't have the same layup and lacks the same feedback (similar situation as when we had last gen Pure Control replace the Pure Storm). I mean the 2016 PAVS is a 315g strung racquet with swingweight under 320. The aeromodular beam and boxy hoop make it unstable at that low of a weight stock in my opinion. So it would be ludicrous to suggest it has the same feedback as its 340+ (strung (static and swingweight) ancestors.

4. Also, while we are discussing the 2020 PAVS, it beats 2016 PAVS, the outgoing version, in every single department as far as I'm concerned. And this is coming from someone who grew up on Babolats, owns multiples of both these frames, and still plays with 2013 APD. The change in hoop design for the 2020 PAVS compared to 2016 one makes it much more useable at specs it comes in. More stable, more pop and more control stock vs stock. Almost same specs as 2013 APD which is a pretty easy stick to use making this a terrific control offering from Babolat in easy to use package. Much better than PDVS and Strike VS options we have.
 

haqq777

Legend
To be clear...the original 'PAVS' was known as the AeroPro Control, and was a beast of a frame:

BAPC-big.jpg


Strung Weight: 12oz / 340g
Balance: 6pts Head Light
Swingweight: 340
Stiffness: 70
Still regret not grabbing one for cheap when I had the opportunity a few years ago. Prices for these are through the roof now.
 

Lavs

Hall of Fame
A few things of note here:

1. Original (or the Cortex or the GT) ancestors of PAVS did not have a box beam. They had/have an Aero Modular beam with a more traditional hoop design. I think you are confusing the Pure Control/Storm line that had constant box beams. Either that or maybe you are confusing the somewhat boxy looking hoop design of the early version and calling it beam.

2. The 2016 PAVS feel is nothing similar to the original Aeropro Control (or the Aerostorm Cortex and Aerostorm GT). It is much lighter, less substantial feeling and needs weight almost everywhere. It flutters on heavy balls and feels anemic as well due to considerably less heft.

3. Yes, the 2016 PAVS shares the same mold as AeroStorms but it doesn't have the same layup and lacks the same feedback (similar situation as when we had last gen Pure Control replace the Pure Storm). I mean the 2016 PAVS is a 315g strung racquet with swingweight under 320. The aeromodular beam and boxy hoop make it unstable at that low of a weight stock in my opinion. So it would be ludicrous to suggest it has the same feedback as its 340+ (strung (static and swingweight) ancestors.

4. Also, while we are discussing the 2020 PAVS, it beats 2016 PAVS, the outgoing version, in every single department as far as I'm concerned. And this is coming from someone who grew up on Babolats, owns multiples of both these frames, and still plays with 2013 APD. The change in hoop design for the 2020 PAVS compared to 2016 one makes it much more useable at specs it comes in. More stable, more pop and more control stock vs stock. Almost same specs as 2013 APD which is a pretty easy stick to use making this a terrific control offering from Babolat in easy to use package. Much better than PDVS and Strike VS options we have.
Could not disagree more.
1. Both Aero Storms and old PAVS have box beam around the head. With Aero throat. Moreover Pure Storm and Aero Storm share the grommets (if I am not mistaken). The ball feel from both is very sublime.
2. Original PAVS is 5g lighter than Aero Storms and lack a bit of mass / plow. That's true. I find it a big advantage from this actually as firstly PAVS MUCH more maneuverable and MUCH faster through the air, being just as stable as Aero Storm. And it feels better and smoother athan Aero Storm.
Of course it could be leaded it up a bit. Although I play it stock (with TW Leather) and it plays beautiful. Also, I plays softer than Aero Storm GT. This is the first racket for a long period of time that I play without dampener. The feel is just unmatched.
3. See point2
4. New PAVS is a cheap pricey toy in comparison. No feel, no stability, tiny sweetspot.
 

haqq777

Legend
Could not disagree more.
1. Both Aero Storms and old PAVS have box beam around the head. With Aero throat. Moreover Pure Storm and Aero Storm share the grommets (if I am not mistaken). The ball feel from both is very sublime.
2. Original PAVS is 5g lighter than Aero Storms and lack a bit of mass / plow. That's true. I find it a big advantage from this actually as firstly PAVS MUCH more maneuverable and MUCH faster through the air. And it feels better. I would lead it up a bit. Although I play it stock (with TW Leather) and it plays beautiful. Also, I plays softer than Aero Storm GT. This is the first racket for a long period of time that I play without dampener. The feel is just unmatched.
3. See point2
4. New PAVS is a cheap pricey toy in comparison. No feel, no stability, tiny sweetspot.

Are you being obtuse here on purpose? Because you are absolutely incorrect on multiple accounts.

1. What you are refering to is called hoop design. When you say box beam feel, that completely changes the meaning. A Pure Storm or a Pure Control is a box beam design racquet with constant measurement across head and throat. The Storms and old PAVS combine an aerodynamic throat design with a more traditional hoop. It is refered to by Babolat as Aeromodular Construction, not box beam construction. If you don't believe me, kindly Google it.

1 (a). Aerostorm and Pure Storm/Control grommets DO NOT fit. The tie off holes are different and holes are drilled differently.

1 (b). Ball feel from Pure Storms is very different than Aerostorms. Completely different layup and molds. Original Aerostorm (Aeropro Control) was 70 RA, Aerostorm Cortex was 67 RA, Aerostorm GT was 66 RA and PAVS 2016 was 67 RA, strung. Compare that with Pure Storm like and Pure Storm Carbon Xtreme (which was a constant box beam btw) had RA of 63, and Pure Storm GT was similarly constant box beam at 61/62 RA. Pure Storm and Aero Storms felt nothing alike. One is soft playing and the other plays very crisp by comparison. Please don't obfuscate the two.

2. Also, please know your specs and your racquet models as it is clear you are all over the place. Original PAVS that you keep referring to was actually called the Aeropro Control. Then came Aerostorm Cortex, then the Aerostorm GT. And after a hiatus you have PAVS 2016 and then the current PAVS 2020. Original PAVS is NOT 5g lighter than Aerostorm Cortex. The original is the same 320g unstrung - says right there on the racquet btw - with same 340 swingweight measured by TW. And it is considerably heavier than Aerostorm GT which was 300g unstrung and 323 swingweight. TW has all these specs too, please do your due diligence next time.

3. The new PAVS - which you call a cheap toy - is actually heavier and heftier (both static weight and swingweight) than PAVS 2016 it replaces. PAVS 2016 weighs 315g strung and swing weight of 318 as per TW. I think people here can judge which will play like a toy and which won't.

Not that it matters but I remember you asking in several posts both in playtest thread and in other dedicated PAVS 2020 threads about it too and you got very similar answer as mine from many different posters. So I wonder why the hate? Fact is it is a fantastic offering and to me it seems very much like because you now own the previous model PAVS (which was probably the worst one in the lot) you are taking it out on the new one for some weird and odd reason.
 

sanister

Professional
4. New PAVS is a cheap pricey toy in comparison. No feel, no stability, tiny sweetspot.
Hey man,I was on playtest for 2020 PAVS.Not one person in that thread said anything remotely similar. Same for the independent threads in racquet section & I don't remember anyone complainin about sweetspot, stability or its feel (in fact it was more on muted side than last one). Wayy better than outgoing one actually. Have u even played with one yet?
 
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