Fergus Murphy should be suspended.

junior74

G.O.A.T.
I'll say this, Nick was averaging 20 seconds between serves which is higher than usual for him. He was starting the clock very quickly. I watched the match. Not condoning Nick's actions because he went too far. Still, OP may have a point.
I agree. Saw it, too. And Kyrgios is well under the limit 99% of the time, so there's no reason to give him warnings. Warnings should be given if you're constantly just over the limit.

I also agree with OP implying Murphy didn't control the match. I know many disagree, because the hate for Kyrgios outshines their reason. But ultimately, the umpire's job is to lead the match according to the rules, which also means treating all players the same way. And they don't.
 

True Fanerer

G.O.A.T.
I agree. Saw it, too. And Kyrgios is well under the limit 99% of the time, so there's no reason to give him warnings. Warnings should be given if you're constantly just over the limit.

I also agree with OP implying Murphy didn't control the match. I know many disagree, because the hate for Kyrgios outshines their reason. But ultimately, the umpire's job is to lead the match according to the rules, which also means treating all players the same way. And they don't.
Yeah, Kyrgios getting a time warning is absurd really. There's plenty of other things he does that an ump can go after. Nick has made it tougher on himself no doubt. It still isn't fair though to have double standards. Murphy knew it was going to get under his skin.
 

van_Loederen

Professional
You would be correct if every Umpire called the score at exactly the same moment after a point ended AND then started the Serve Clock as soon as they called the score.

Or,

If every Umpire started the Serve Clock at the exactly the same moment after a point ended.

But they don't. There is a lot of variation between Umpires.

If you consider what I said above, it could be construed either way.
they can never go below 25 seconds and the rest is more or less their own business.
well, after long rallies they are supposed to wait a little longer, and Nadal and DJ tend much more to playing long rallies than Kyrgios or most others do.

btw, some Feder fans on here suggested to shorten the time to 20 seconds. :whistle:
 

junior74

G.O.A.T.

Subway Tennis

Hall of Fame
This is unique by Talk Tennis standards: a troll thread that turned into a serious discussion. Usually its the other way around.

Fergus Murphy was not to blame for Nick's behaviour in that match. Nick would have figured out a way to create an adversarial relationship with whoever was officiating there.

Anything to deflect that he he couldn't / wouldn't knock the Kachanov match on the head the way he should have (possibly ducking the subsequent Meddy / Djokovic matchup in subsequent rounds?)
 

Karma Tennis

Hall of Fame
well, after long rallies they are supposed to wait a little longer, and Nadal and DJ tend much more to playing long rallies than Kyrgios or most others do.
Perhaps Rafa and Novak should focus on shortening their rallies to give the Umpires a break.

You seem to be suggesting that if Rafa plays Nick, Rafa should be given more time and discretion with the Serve clock than Nick because Rafa tends to play longer rallies than Nick does. :unsure::-D:-D
 

van_Loederen

Professional
Perhaps Rafa and Novak should focus on shortening their rallies to give the Umpires a break.
that's a different topic to the thread's,
but in short: most tennis fans like long rallies.

Karma Tennis said:
You seem to be suggesting that if Rafa plays Nick, Rafa should be given more time and discretion with the Serve clock than Nick because Rafa tends to play longer rallies than Nick does. :unsure::-D:-D
not quite. if they play eachother, they will use the same time for the rallies. ;)
 

van_Loederen

Professional
Not quite. If they play each other, they don't both serve at the same time :rolleyes:
eh man, regardless of who is serving, the umpire would wait longer when a rally was longer.
Karma Tennis said:
We aren't talking about tennis FANS. We are talking abou tennis PLAYERS.
Most tennis player hate long rallies!
it's about both.
because of the players, conditions shouldn't be too gruelling.
but the tournaments also care for what fans prefer.
 

Karma Tennis

Hall of Fame
eh man, regardless of who is serving, the umpire would wait longer when a rally was longer.
Umm No! I guess you haven't been watching too many matches over the past decade.

it's about both.
Errr. Don't thank too many Tournaments would be that successful if there were no players, or the players weren't very good.

If you follow a lot of the Pro. Tournaments, plenty of them have matches that don't fill the Stands with fans.

And if you think people at home watching matches on TV enjoy endless rallies, let's just say I don't share your view.

Anyway, I think there's little left to squeeze out of the lemon,

Have a Nice Day (or Evening if you are in North America!)
 
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