Ferrara speaks: “I didn’t give anything to the physiotherapist and I warned him of the risks, for no reason should he come into contact with Jannik”

sportsfan1 said:
Then how did the contamination occur?
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Because Naldi did his own thing.
Of course it takes a lot not to understand between the lines that Ferrara is accusing Naldi of being the one truly responsible for the contamination, the only one who was truly negligent between the two since Ferrara had warned him that he had to avoid Clostebol coming into contact with Sinner's system.
 
Winner Sinner said:
Because Naldi did his own thing.
Of course it takes a lot not to understand between the lines that Ferrara is accusing Naldi of being the one truly responsible for the contamination, the only one who was truly negligent between the two since Ferrara had warned him that he had to avoid Clostebol coming into contact with Sinner's system.
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Naldi did his own thing, only after he was told by Ferrara about the magic spray and his personal bathroom.
 
Winner Sinner said:
Because Naldi did his own thing.
Of course it takes a lot not to understand between the lines that Ferrara is accusing Naldi of being the one truly responsible for the contamination, the only one who was truly negligent between the two since Ferrara had warned him that he had to avoid Clostebol coming into contact with Sinner's system.
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I strongly disagree, assuming the chain of events as relayed by Fererra is true. Ferrera is the pharmasist and should have known better to not rely on the judgement of people not educated in working with this stuff. But above all that, he should have known better not to bring it in the first place or allow access to prescription drugs to people for which it was not prescribed.
The blame is 100% Fererra.
 
vokazu said:
Naldi did his own thing, only after he was told by Ferrara about the magic spray and his personal bathroom.
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Exactly, so what?

Ferrara advised Naldi to treat the wound with Trofodermin, but warned him that he should not come into contact with Sinner's system.
Once he warned him, the main responsibility falls on Naldi.

However, his statements reconstruct dynamics that were already known.
I myself had spoken about it some time ago here in the forum where the reconstruction of the facts led to the belief that the most negligent of all had been the physiotherapist Naldi, this from the moment Ferrara had warned him, while initially when all the various dynamics that were recorded in the various confessions were not known, it seemed that Ferrara had brought the Trofodermin with him without being aware of the danger.
 
Winner Sinner said:
Exactly, so what?

Ferrara advised Naldi to treat the wound with Trofodermin, but warned him that he should not come into contact with Sinner's system.
Once he warned him, the main responsibility falls on Naldi.

However, his statements reconstruct dynamics that were already known.
I myself had spoken about it some time ago here in the forum where the reconstruction of the facts led to the belief that the most negligent of all had been the physiotherapist Naldi, this from the moment Ferrara had warned him, while initially when all the various dynamics that were recorded in the various confessions were not known, it seemed that Ferrara had brought the Trofodermin with him without being aware of the danger.
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why would one even take the risk when talking about the number one athlete in tennis. why would one not just use super glue or another product?
 
AndrewUtz said:
why would one even take the risk when talking about the number one athlete in tennis. why would one not just use super glue or another product?
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He explained it in the interview, where he says he had a cut on his finger that wouldn't heal and made it difficult for him to work.

But do you think these questions weren't asked by those who investigated the case, or do you think a simple confession is enough to exonerate anyone?
 
Winner Sinner said:
He explained it in the interview, where he says he had a cut on his finger that wouldn't heal and made it difficult for him to work.

But do you think these questions weren't asked by those who investigated the case, or do you think a simple confession is enough to exonerate anyone?
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Of course they were asked, and the primary result for sinner is as it should have been.

But Sinner would have a very strong civil suit agianst Fererra, based on his statements here.

Fererra is no doctor, had no business providing prescription medication to someone else, what he as pharmacist would know. He shouldn't have brought it into this sitation in the first place. Very negligent behaviour of Fererra.
 
Winner Sinner said:
He explained it in the interview, where he says he had a cut on his finger that wouldn't heal and made it difficult for him to work.

But do you think these questions weren't asked by those who investigated the case, or do you think a simple confession is enough to exonerate anyone?
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if it wouldn’t heal, why would you not just put super glue on it as well as gloves rather risking a number one athlete in the world possibly being cross contaminated, or hire a different masseuse at each tour stop which he surely could afford until his finger is healed? why take the risk?
 
AndrewUtz said:
if it wouldn’t heal, why would you not just put super glue on it as well as gloves rather risking a number one athlete in the world possibly being cross contaminated, or hire a different masseuse at each tour stop which he surely could afford until his finger is healed? why take the risk?
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If we are talking about negligence, there must be a reason.
He was naive, and because of this naivety he got his employer into trouble, in addition to compromising his own profession.
 
A pharmacist dispenses a drug with the relevant advice. They always rely on the judgement of other people.

jeroenn said:
I strongly disagree, assuming the chain of events as relayed by Fererra is true. Ferrera is the pharmasist and should have known better to not rely on the judgement of people not educated in working with this stuff. But above all that, he should have known better not to bring it in the first place or allow access to prescription drugs to people for which it was not prescribed.
The blame is 100% Fererra.
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If we are talking about negligence ... then Ferrara was not negligent. So Naldi needs to make a statement.

Winner Sinner said:
If we are talking about negligence, there must be a reason.
He was naive, and because of this naivety he got his employer into trouble, in addition to compromising his own profession.
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Winner Sinner said:
If we are talking about negligence, there must be a reason.
He was naive, and because of this naivety he got his employer into trouble, in addition to compromising his own profession.
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Unbelievable negligence by both. Very far fetched. Not saying that it isn’t true. But even one such as you has to see how ludicrous and far fetched it all sounds. Stranger things have happened I guess.
 
Bartelby said:
A pharmacist dispenses a drug with the relevant advice. They always rely on the judgement of other people.
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A doctor prescribes drugs. Pharmacists should only provide the drug to the patient to which it was presciribed.
This drug was prescribed to him and only him. He should not give it to someone else.

He damn well should know that.
 
AndrewUtz said:
Unbelievable negligence by both. Very far fetched. Not saying that it isn’t true. But even one such as you has to see how ludicrous and far fetched it all sounds. Stranger things have happened I guess.
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In fact, I am the first to define Naldi as reckless.
Having said that, even here, as I had the opportunity to say some time ago in a discussion on this case, I have seen news of mothers who, caught up in the frenzy of the moment, forget their child in the car for long hours under the suffocating sun, imagine if I can be surprised that someone could commit such a naivety.

Those who think of the unlikely scenario are precisely those who live in a dream world in which no person can commit serious carelessness.
 
AndrewUtz said:
Negligent to prescribe something like that in the first place when alternative options exist. This has cost them millions of dollars. He’s not a regular pharmacist at Walgreens.
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It was prescribed to Fererra (by his own doctor I presume). Fererra happens to be a pharmacist, but worked as an athletic trainer for Sinner and also head of anti-doping in Sinners team.

Nardi was the fysio.

If I worked in at team of a top professional tenniser, along with someone who was RESPONSIBLE for the anti-doping in that team, the LAST thing I would expect is to be handed a controlled substance that also is a prescribed medicine for someone else FROM THAT PERSON
 
Winner Sinner said:
In fact, I am the first to define Naldi as reckless.
Having said that, even here, as I had the opportunity to say some time ago in a discussion on this case, I have seen news of mothers who, caught up in the frenzy of the moment, forget their child in the car for long hours under the suffocating sun, imagine if I can be surprised that someone could commit such a naivety.

Those who think of the unlikely scenario are precisely those who live in a dream world in which no person can commit serious carelessness.
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i’m not “thinking” of an unlikely scenario. i’m referencing the exact one that they say happened. also that comparison holds absolutely zero weight in a discussion like this. the two situations are not at all similar.
 
AndrewUtz said:
i’m not “thinking” of an unlikely scenario. i’m referencing the exact one that they say happened. also that comparison holds absolutely zero weight in a discussion like this. the two situations are not at all similar.
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Instead, that comparison makes sense since it shows that human beings can be subject to serious carelessness, and in that specific case generating a tragedy, rather than a positivity of their employer.

Moral of the story, basing one's judgments only on what common sense would say is an exercise that demonstrates absolutely nothing whether the reconstruction can be truthful or not.
 
i saw a picture of this Naldi character… He looks like someone who could be forgetful of things not pertaining to himself
 
Winner Sinner said:
Instead, that comparison makes sense since it shows that human beings can be subject to serious carelessness, and in that specific case generating a tragedy, rather than a positivity of their employer.

Moral of the story, basing one's judgments only on what common sense would say is an exercise that demonstrates absolutely nothing whether the reconstruction can be truthful or not.
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bro that comparison is wild lmao. a doctor prescribing clostebol cream to treat a skin issue is nothing like a mom letting her baby die in a hot car. one is a medical decision in a controlled context, the other is literal neglect. you're reaching so far it’s embarrassing.
and yeah, common sense isn’t the end all but when everything lines up against the story like the timing, the substance, the sketchy explanation, acting like it’s above criticism just because people can be careless is avoiding how ridiculous it sounds. you can admit the story sounds absurd and still believe it's true, those aren't mutually exclusive.
 
AndrewUtz said:
bro that comparison is wild lmao. a doctor prescribing clostebol cream to treat a skin issue is nothing like a mom letting her baby die in a hot car. one is a medical decision in a controlled context, the other is literal neglect. you're reaching so far it’s embarrassing.
and yeah, common sense isn’t the end all but when everything lines up against the story like the timing, the substance, the sketchy explanation, acting like it’s above criticism just because people can be careless is avoiding how ridiculous it sounds. you can admit the story sounds absurd and still believe it's true, those aren't mutually exclusive.
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Lol, we were talking about Naldi's negligence and you bring the issue back to Ferrara who among other things had advised Naldi against coming into contact with Sinner's system through Trofodermin.

Here the only ridiculous thing are the judgments of those like you who think they are more credible than the various bodies set up to judge the case.
I already told you, if you are so convinced that that reconstruction is unlikely, rebel and get hired as a new examiner aimed at investigating cases of doping through possible contamination.
The system with misunderstood geniuses like you will certainly be more credible.
 
Winner Sinner said:
Lol, we were talking about Naldi's negligence and you bring the issue back to Ferrara who among other things had advised Naldi against coming into contact with Sinner's system through Trofodermin.

Here the only ridiculous thing are the judgments of those like you who think they are more credible than the various bodies set up to judge the case.
I already told you, if you are so convinced that that reconstruction is unlikely, rebel and get hired as a new examiner aimed at investigating cases of doping through possible contamination.
The system with misunderstood geniuses like you will certainly be more credible.
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It seems you may have a hard time comprehending what my position is. I WANT TO MAKE IT PERFECTLY CLEAR THAT I NEVER SAID THAT HIS STORY WASN'T TRUE. all I said was that it sounds absurd, and it does. those two things aren’t mutually exclusive. you’re acting like the second anyone questions the logic of a weird ass story, they’re claiming some grand conspiracy. I’m not rewriting the case. I’m just not pretending the official explanation makes sense. and yeah, I brought up Ferrara because he's literally part of the story. you can’t talk about Naldi’s negligence without looking at the pharmacist who gave the banned substance and somehow didn’t make sure any of his supposed warnings were actually followed. acting like he's just a side note is wild. also, calling anyone who questions the story a misunderstood genius isn’t some kind of mic drop. you don’t need to be an expert to say something sounds absurd. it’s called thinking. try it.the fact that you can't even admit the story sounds a tiny bit absurd is honestly laughable and shows me that you made up your mind about the case before the official ruling was given.
 
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Clostebol is not a prescription drug in Italy. And it comes with a warning on the tube.

jeroenn said:
A doctor prescribes drugs. Pharmacists should only provide the drug to the patient to which it was presciribed.
This drug was prescribed to him and only him. He should not give it to someone else.

He damn well should know that.
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If it's the most effective medication, then he gave Naldi the spray with the appropriate warning.

AndrewUtz said:
Negligent to prescribe something like that in the first place when alternative options exist. This has cost them millions of dollars. He’s not a regular pharmacist at Walgreens.
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AndrewUtz said:
I brought up Ferrara because he's literally part of the story. you can’t talk about Naldi’s negligence without looking at the doctor who prescribed the banned substance and somehow didn’t make sure any of his supposed warnings were actually followed.
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Just a bit of acorrection here, Ferrera isn't a doctor, he's a pharmacist.
- Ferrera has a chronic disease for which he's been prescribed Trofodermin by a specialist. It is Fererra who uses the stuff.
- Fererra proceeded to give / not give (this part he contradicts himself royally) to Nardi to treat a cut that Nardi has which isn't healing. And this is where things go very wrong. Fererra has no business giving his own medication to others, let alone stuff he knows is dangerous in this setting.
 
Bartelby said:
Clostebol is not a prescription drug in Italy.
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Per fererra's own statement:
"Why did he have it with him at Indian Wells? “I have been using it for years because it was prescribed by a specialist as a support drug for a chronic disease"

Even so it doesn't matter. Fererra was responsible for anti-doping in Sinners team. He had no business giving it to anyone else but himself. Being a pharmacist doubles the burden - he had the knowledge and he failed misserably.
 
jeroenn said:
Just a bit of acorrection here, Ferrera isn't a doctor, he's a pharmacist.
- Ferrera has a chronic disease for which he's been prescribed Trofodermin by a specialist. It is Fererra who uses the stuff.
- Fererra proceeded to give / not give (this part he contradicts himself royally) to Nardi to treat a cut that Nardi has which isn't healing. And this is where things go very wrong. Fererra has no business giving his own medication to others, let alone stuff he knows is dangerous in this setting.
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my mistake, mistype sry. fixed now.
 
Errani's mother, a pharmacist, kept cancer medication on a food preparation space.

If using the spray hastened Naldi's recovery, he was entirely sensible to give him the spray.

According to him, Naldi was given all the right advice, so it's up to Naldi to correct Ferrara's claims.

jeroenn said:
Per fererra's own statement:
"Why did he have it with him at Indian Wells? “I have been using it for years because it was prescribed by a specialist as a support drug for a chronic disease"

Even so it doesn't matter. Fererra was responsible for anti-doping in Sinners team. He had no business giving it to anyone else but himself. Being a pharmacist doubles the burden - he had the knowledge and he failed misserably.
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Where was Sinner when Ferrari was having these discussions with Naldi? He must have been in the loop and if he wasn't then he was the one who was sloppy.

AndrewUtz said:
Why risk it? Why not hire masseuses with the millions of dollars of prize money while the wound heals if he wants to use clostebol?
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Bartelby said:
Errani's mother, a pharmacist, kept cancer medication on a food preparation space.

If using the spray hastened Naldi's recovery, he was entirely sensible to give him the spray.
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1. Fererra is not a doctor.
2. The medicine was prescribed to fererra.
3. Fererra was a pharmacist.
4. Fererra was in charge of anti doping in sinners team.

And you tell me it's ok that he
- Had a controlled substance with him - so if it was absolutely necessary for his health, he should absolutely make sure it stays OFF LIMITS to anything near Sinner. As the guy IN CHARGE OF ANTI DOPING for Sinner, that is HIS responsibilty doubly so.
- Shared a medication that was prescribed to him only, which included that controlled substance, eventhough that goes against any normal medical practice, and something a pharmacist certainly would know.
- And just...assumed it all would work out?

What a joke.
By the way, Trofodermin is only available on prescription nearly everywhere else.
And anecdotical stories about others have no relevance on the absolute unprofessional lack of care and common sense of this Fererra dude.
 
Bartelby said:
Where was Sinner when Ferrari was having these discussions with Naldi? He must have been in the loop and if he wasn't then he was the one who was sloppy.
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Eating? Playing Tennis? Taking a dump?

Maybe it's the guy in charge of Anti Doping who should have asked his boss if it's ok that he's going to share his prescription medicine that contains a controlled substance with the guy who is going to massage him.
A medicine btw that is KNOWN to be an issue. I would assume that the guy Sinner put in charge of his anti doping to be informed enough to not take that risk.
 
Naldi in October, 2024:

Jannik Sinner’s fired physio claims failed drug tests were ‘not only my fault’ and hopes to ‘tell what happened’​

 
AndrewUtz said:
Do we know if this was solely a urine test or if a hair test was conducted as well? A hair analysis could potentially yield more conclusive evidence.
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Urine only. Not hair or blood, which would have yielded more comprehensive information and also uncovered what else was in his system
 
As far as I can see, the team are almost habitually in contact with their player during an event, so this is a team responsibility. Naldi certainly thinks so.

jeroenn said:
Eating? Playing Tennis? Taking a dump?

Maybe it's the guy in charge of Anti Doping who should have asked his boss if it's ok that he's going to share his prescription medicine that contains a controlled substance with the guy who is going to massage him.
A medicine btw that is KNOWN to be an issue. I would assume that the guy Sinner put in charge of his anti doping to be informed enough to not take that risk.
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Rosstour said:
Urine only. Not hair or blood, which would have yielded more comprehensive information and also uncovered what else was in his system
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substances can stay in hair for years. a public third party hair sample could easily put this all to bed. If i were sinner that is what I would do.
 
Bartelby said:
Naldi certainly thinks so.
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Nardi said it was not only his fault. And I agree: the bulk of it lies with Fererra. He was after all put in charge of anti-doping.

But nowhere have I seen him make a statement that it was a 'team responsibilty' in these words.
 
Why some fans are so insecure? If you believe he didn’t dope then you don’t need validation or need to convince other fanbases of his innocence. You think people are gonna get convinced by your arguments? I have accepted it and moved on, I personally believe he’s innocent and a victim of contaminated massage. Let people believe whatever they want to lol
 
Sinner has shown his true colors

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Wow, I recall having that same Razr V3 phone back in...oh.. 2005 maybe? Hope he can afford something a tad more recent now :-D
 
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