Ferrer to be ranked higher than Nadal after the Australian Open?

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As we know, Nadal is missing Paris and WTF this year. Ferrer on ther other hand looks to be playing into form (won Valencia yesterday). If he finished 2012 on a high note, let's say he gains 500-700 points in Paris and WTF, he could only be 1000 points behind Nadal in the race. Therefore, since Nadal is defending a final, Ferrer would "only" have to outperform Nadal at the AO to be ranked higher than him after the tournament is done.

We might see some Djokovic-Nadal, Federer-Nadal or Murray-Nadal matches in the QF stage in the near future, how fun would that be.
 
tennis_pro said:
As we know, Nadal is missing Paris and WTF this year. Ferrer on ther other hand looks to be playing into form (won Valencia yesterday). If he finished 2012 on a high note, let's say he gains 500-700 points in Paris and WTF, he could only be 1000 points behind Nadal in the race. Therefore, since Nadal is defending a final, Ferrer would "only" have to outperform Nadal at the AO to be ranked higher than him after the tournament is done.

We might see some Djokovic-Nadal, Federer-Nadal or Murray-Nadal matches in the QF stage in the near future, how fun would that be.
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Would be a nice change really. Tired of the big 4 making every semifinal.
 
Sabratha said:
Nadal might skip the AO.
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Hmmm, you could be right. I just wish that Rafa and his camp would be more honest about his situation. I mean, What is really going on?. This injury excuse is wearing thin :confused:. Rafa's fans are suffering!. I look forward to the AO either way as it is the first slam of the year and always fills me with excitement. Go Ferrer! he has played well he deserves some good fortune. I won't hold it against him.
 
Ms Nadal said:
Hmmm, you could be right. I just wish that Rafa and his camp would be more honest about his situation. I mean, What is really going on?. This injury excuse is wearing thin :confused:. Rafa's fans are suffering!. I look forward to the AO either way as it is the first slam of the year and always fills me with excitement. Go Ferrer! he has played well he deserves some good fortune. I won't hold it against him.
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They say absolutely nothing. It's pretty strange if you ask me.
 
Ms Nadal said:
Hmmm, you could be right. I just wish that Rafa and his camp would be more honest about his situation. I mean, What is really going on?. This injury excuse is wearing thin :confused:. Rafa's fans are suffering!. I look forward to the AO either way as it is the first slam of the year and always fills me with excitement. Go Ferrer! he has played well he deserves some good fortune. I won't hold it against him.
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If he does miss the AO, he will be giving many of the lower ranked players a chance to break through. A semifinal run for Raonic, for instance. Nadal not playing the AO, as bad as this sounds, may liven things up for once.
 
Sabratha said:
If he does miss the AO, he will be giving many of the lower ranked players a chance to break through. A semifinal run for Raonic, for instance. Nadal not playing the AO, as bad as this sounds, may liven things up for once.
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I have a feeling you would not be so thrilled about livening things up if it were Fed we were talking about. And if the younger guys can't break through the current top 4,and need one of them to slip in the rankings for it to happen,I'd say that's their own fault. The don't deserve it if they can't beat the best.
 
Ms Nadal said:
Hmmm, you could be right. I just wish that Rafa and his camp would be more honest about his situation. I mean, What is really going on?. This injury excuse is wearing thin :confused:. Rafa's fans are suffering!. I look forward to the AO either way as it is the first slam of the year and always fills me with excitement. Go Ferrer! he has played well he deserves some good fortune. I won't hold it against him.
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I think the Nadal camp has been pretty honest... He's got tendinosis in his patella tendon... If you knew anything about the injury and the nature of how a tendon heals you'd understand the timetable to return from that type of injury can range from anywhere to 6-24 months... Tendons are slow to heal despite even the best medical attention currently available... The only thing he can do (short of invasive surgery) is continue to vigourosly rehab and monitor the healing progress... He may not come back until the next US Open, though I suspect the fact he's still relatively young, and diliagently devoting essentially full time towards rehabbing he'll be back between the AO and the Clay court season next year...
 
Clarky21 said:
I have a feeling you would not be so thrilled about livening things up if it were Fed we were talking about. And if the younger guys can't break through the current top 4,and need one of them to slip in the rankings for it to happen,I'd say that's their own fault. The don't deserve it if they can't beat the best.
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People are starting to figure Federer out anyway.
 
sadowsk2 said:
I think the Nadal camp has been pretty honest... He's got tendinosis in his patella tendon... If you knew anything about the injury and the nature of how a tendon heals you'd understand the timetable to return from that type of injury can range from anywhere to 6-24 months... Tendons are slow to heal despite even the best medical attention currently available... The only thing he can do (short of invasive surgery) is continue to vigourosly rehab and monitor the healing progress... He may not come back until the next US Open, though I suspect the fact he's still relatively young, and diliagently devoting essentially full time towards rehabbing he'll be back between the AO and the Clay court season next year...
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Oh he'll be back before the clay season, alright. I'm sure Nadal will start to feel waaaaay better when we reach Monte Carlo.
 
Sabratha said:
It will happen eventually.
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Well it already happened to Nadal who is 5 years younger,so I think Fed has done pretty darn well considering his age. Your guy also has 17 slams and numerous records to his name. Consider yourself lucky that you are a Fed fan and not a long suffering Nadal fan like me.
 
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Clarky21 said:
Well it already happened to Nadal who is 5 years younger,so I think Fed has done pretty darn well considering his age. Your guy also has 17 slams and numerous records to his name. Consider yourself lucky that you are a Fed fan and not a long suffering Nadal fan like me.
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Yea you poor child, your idol has only 11 majors in his pocket so far. If Federer won that few I'd probably stop supporting him!

Jesus, some people...
 
Clarky21 said:
Well it already happened to Nadal who is 5 years younger,so I think Fed has done pretty darn well considering his age. Your guy also has 17 slams and numerous records to his name. Consider yourself lucky that you are a Fed fan and not a long suffering Nadal fan like me.
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Believe me, we considered ourselves very fortunate all these years watching Fed being abused by your man (lol, /sarc).

I doubt there's much more Nadal and CO. can say about the injury, it's not like injuries give our their departure dates. Imagine his suffering, while you chaps go about your jobs earning your fortunes, living it up.

It;ll be awful if Nadal doesnt come back in form at AO. Imagine some low ranked player making it to the semis and getting routed while the other semi is tough.
 
Clarky21 said:
Well it already happened to Nadal who is 5 years younger,so I think Fed has done pretty darn well considering his age. Your guy also has 17 slams and numerous records to his name. Consider yourself lucky that you are a Fed fan and not a long suffering Nadal fan like me.
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He won 11 slams and might win more... yeah, I feel so sorry for you (and me too btw).
 
I expect Nadal will play the Australian Open and if he does and is semi fit he will outperform Ferrer there with atleast a semifinal, while Ferrer will lose in the quarters to one of the big 4 at best. In fact of the guys ranked 5-8 Ferrer has the least ability to beat any of the top 4, except for Djokovic and Murray (but definitely not Federer or Nadal) on a clay court only.

I also dont think such a weak (relatively speaking) player in the top 4 would be good. It would create the same unbalanced draws we see in the womens game. 3 of Murray, Nadal, Djokovic, or Federer will end up in one half, while the remaining one will end up in the half with Ferrer and have a bye to the final, with often some unknown making it out of Ferrer's section probably.
 
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Clarky21 said:
I have a feeling you would not be so thrilled about livening things up if it were Fed we were talking about. And if the younger guys can't break through the current top 4,and need one of them to slip in the rankings for it to happen,I'd say that's their own fault. The don't deserve it if they can't beat the best.
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If they speed up the AO court and make 40 shot rallies the exception rather than the norm, guys like Tsonga and Berdych might actually stand a chance.
 
Clarky21 said:
I have a feeling you would not be so thrilled about livening things up if it were Fed we were talking about. And if the younger guys can't break through the current top 4,and need one of them to slip in the rankings for it to happen,I'd say that's their own fault. The don't deserve it if they can't beat the best.
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Clarky21 said:
No they're not. Fed lost the final in Basel. It's not like he lost the Wimby final for crying out loud.
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Lol i agree for once. no Nadal makes an unbalanced draw and i want to see someone upset the standard top 4 semi because they played amazing tennis to beat one of them. Not cos one of them didn't play.

And yeah after 9 years of winning slams people are figuring fed out. no he's just getting older and i am pleased with his year.
 
I know, this Rafa absense is really bad for his fans! :(. It is just ongoing and we miss him so much!. The fans of the other three are lucky as they do not have all these injuries like Rafa. I can see why people would like to have different people in the semis but I do like the top 4 rivalries. When these newbies get to the semis they can really get lost in the occasion and don't perform and get beaten easily.
 
Ms Nadal said:
I know, this Rafa absense is really bad for his fans! :(. It is just ongoing and we miss him so much!. The fans of the other three are lucky as they do not have all these injuries like Rafa. I can see why people would like to have different people in the semis but I do like the top 4 rivalries. When these newbies get to the semis they can really get lost in the occasion and don't perform and get beaten easily.
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Tsonga nearly took his semifinal to a 5th set at Wimbledon against Murray; likewise with Berdych against Murray (I believe Berdman actually had set points) in NY, and Djokovic would have lost had they continued playing in the windy conditions at the USO against Ferrer.

Last season Tsonga again played a great and very entertaining match against Djokovic in the semifinal at Wimbledon, and Ferrer nearly went up 2 sets to 0 against Murray in Australia.

Let's not forget in 2009, Del Potro (in his first 2 grand slam semifinals) was 2 sets to 1 up on Federer at RG, and famously gave Nadal his worst ever Grand Slam beating in New York.

Moral of the story: these "newbies" you speak of aren't that incompetent.
 
This thread needs a bump.

Technically, Ferrer to be ranked higher than Nadal at the end of 2012 would have to:

- beat Llodra in the SF and Janowicz in the F of the Paris Masters. Looks doable
- advance to the final of the WTF - ok he's got Federer in his group but also Tipsarevic and Del Potro, reaching the semis is possible for him
- win the semis. This is the most difficult part. He would have to beat probably either Murray or Djokovic.
 
tennis_pro said:
This thread needs a bump.

Technically, Ferrer to be ranked higher than Nadal at the end of 2012 would have to:

- beat Llodra in the SF and Janowicz in the F of the Paris Masters. Looks doable
- advance to the final of the WTF - ok he's got Federer in his group but also Tipsarevic and Del Potro, reaching the semis is possible for him
- win the semis. This is the most difficult part. He would have to beat probably either Murray or Djokovic.
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Why? He beat Murray and djokovic last year
 
Gonzo_style said:
Why? He beat Murray and djokovic last year
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This is the most difficult part of the 3.

I can see Ferrer beating Llodra and Janowicz in Paris, I think it's highly probable for him to beat Del Potro and Tipsarevic but beating either Murray/Djokovic AGAIN is the toughest part.
 
tennis_pro said:
This is the most difficult part of the 3.

I can see Ferrer beating Llodra and Janowicz in Paris, I think it's highly probable for him to beat Del Potro and Tipsarevic but beating either Murray/Djokovic AGAIN is the toughest part.
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I agree, but if David lost for a few hours this will all seem pointless...And David would played 3 CONSECUTIVE WEEKS, i don't know how much he will have energy for WTFs...
 
One down, two to go. Ferrer is like 770 p behind the nadal currently, all he needs to do now is to win two round robin matches and the semis to end the year ahead of the rafa. Heres hoping ferru doesnt burns out this week
 
Even if he doesn't get ahead of Rafa before AO, Rafa still has a final to defend, and that's coming off 6 months of no play.
 
If Ferrer gets number 4 somehow, it's possible to have a side of the draw be utter hell for murray fed or djoker. Imagine having nadal in your quarter :shock:.
 
Daized said:
If Ferrer gets number 4 somehow, it's possible to have a side of the draw be utter hell for murray fed or djoker. Imagine having nadal in your quarter :shock:.
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Yeah, would be refreshing, because it would give players like Ferrer and Delpo a good shot to make some stronger runs in Slams.

Djoker-Nadal quarterfinal at the AO would be a joy! See those two go at it for 6 hours with a fresh Delpo waiting in the semis, would make some tourneys more interesting.
 
Steve0904 said:
Yes I believe so. It says on the ATP website that DC is 625 pts, and Ferrer has 295 pts from that last year, but I have no idea how it actually works.
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Ferrer has 220 points from this year in DC, +75 points from last year's final, which will be replaced by the points he earns in the final this year (75 for each live rubber win).

He did not participate in the 1st round, so cannot gain any bonus. At best, he will end 2012 with 370 points for DC.
 
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sdont said:
Ferrer has 220 points from this year in DC, +75 points from last year's final, which will be replaced by the points he earns in the final this year (75 for each live rubber win).

He did not participate in the 1st round, so cannot gain any bonus. At best, he will end 2012 with 370 points for DC.
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how many will rafa lose (he's got 220 atm)?
 
sdont said:
Nadal's got 150 points right now from last year's final. He'll lose them unless he plays in the final this year.
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Either way Ferrer is in a perfect position to be ranked higher than Nadal, if not at the end of 2012 (although I give him a 20-30 % of that currently), then after the Australian Open.
 
joeri888 said:
Yeah, would be refreshing, because it would give players like Ferrer and Delpo a good shot to make some stronger runs in Slams.

Djoker-Nadal quarterfinal at the AO would be a joy! See those two go at it for 6 hours with a fresh Delpo waiting in the semis, would make some tourneys more interesting.
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What would be even more interesting is a Federer-Nadal QF.

Bring it on!
 
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