Ferrer to be ranked higher than Nadal after the Australian Open?

[joeri888]

By the Australian Open, Nadal would have been out with an injury for more than 6 months.

According to ATP rules, any player who has a recognised injury absence of between 6 months and one year will have a preserved ranking based on his average ranking over the first three months of his injury absence. This preserved ranking will last for his first 9 tournaments.

Nadal's average ranking in his first three months of absence is 3, so he wil likely be ranked 3 for his first 9 tournaments back after injury.

Wrong. He will have a preserved ranking to get qualification for an event. So if it was an event for which only four plays could qualify, he would get in ahead of Ferrer. For seeding on the other hand, protected ranking does not help if I'm correct.

 

[Desertman]

I'm assuming the 6 week off season counts? When did his injury officially begin? He played Wimbledon and did not lose by injury retirement so I am assuming it starts July 9 at the earliest (day after Wimbledon).

That means six months would be January 9th, 5 days before AO. So when the draw is made, Rafa will be out less than six months, and also will have (hopefully) played a few exo matches.

Will be interesting to see how that all works out.

It is not about when the draw is made but about when he plays his first tournament after the injury timeout. If he declares himself available for the AO then at the time of the draw it will be apparent that this tournament is more than 6 months after his injury timeout. Therefore, he will be automatically seeded 3.

Interestingly, it is not in his best interests to play tournaments right at the beginning of the year as this would not be six months from the start of his official injury. If he did that, he'd play whatever ranking he had by the AO (likely 4).

 

[joeri888]

It is not about when the draw is made but about when he plays his first tournament after the injury timeout. If he declares himself available for the AO then at the time of the draw it will be apparent that this tournament is more than 6 months after his injury timeout. Therefore, he will be automatically seeded 3.

Interestingly, it is not in his best interests to play tournaments right at the beginning of the year as this would not be six months from the start of his official injury. If he did that, he'd play whatever ranking he had by the AO (likely 4).

Did you even read my post?

 

[Desertman]

Wrong. He will have a preserved ranking to get qualification for an event. So if it was an event for which only four plays could qualify, he would get in ahead of Ferrer. For seeding on the other hand, protected ranking does not help if I'm correct.

True, but he will take the position of the No.3 seed in the draw and position in the draw is critical.

 

[Desertman]

Did you even read my post?

Nope. I didn't bother.

 

[joeri888]

True, but he will take the position of the No.3 seed in the draw and position in the draw is critical.

Uhm, is that true? I don't think so. I think that Delpo was unseeded when he came back, even though his protected ranking let him actually participate with a protected ranking of like '10' or something.

 

[RF20Lennon]

Not sure how nadal will be when he return probably a but rusty and will ferrer's form carry over?? That's the question

 

[joeri888]

To my knowledge, everything Fee said is correct. The only parts I am 100% sure on are that, "He will be allowed to use it for 8 tournaments within 9 months time. As soon as he uses the PR once, the clock starts ticking. The PR is only to get on the entry list, it is not for seeding in the tournament draw."

I am not sure how they calculate the PR though.

source: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=328825

 

[kOaMaster]

True, but he will take the position of the No.3 seed in the draw and position in the draw is critical.

how on earth would that be true?
this is crap. he is allowed to enter via special exemptions, usually each tournament has 1-2 positions reserved for that. this is not a wild card too.

the tournament seeding wil be according to the ranking and this has nothing to do with his preserved ranking.

you can go and check it for example in the draw of the AO 2011:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Australian_Open_–_Men's_Singles

edit: and here is the official version
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Rankings/Rankings-FAQ.aspx#protected

What is a protected ranking and who is eligible?

A. A player may petition the Executive Chairman & President for an Entry Protection when he is physically injured and does not compete in any tennis event for a minimum period of six months. The written petition must be received within six months of his last tournament.

The Entry Protection shall be a position in the South African Airways ATP Rankings, as determined by the player's average South African Airways ATP Rankings position during the first three months of his injury. The Entry Protection shall be for entry into the main draw or qualifying competition or for special exempt consideration. The Entry Protection shall not be used for seeding purposes, Lucky Loser consideration or for entry into the Barclays ATP World Tour Finals.

The Entry Protection shall be in effect for either the first nine tournaments that the player competes in using the Entry Protection (excluding wild cards and entries as a Direct Acceptance with his current position in the South African Airways ATP Rankings) or for the period up to nine months beginning with the first tennis event that the player competes in, whichever occurs first.

 

[Desertman]

Let's see then