Ferrero coached an excellent match today

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Kralingen

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Have to give credit where credit is due. This matchup was all about the margins and adjusting to the conditions. If I had to sum up the match, two areas of play defined it: Carlos’s slice staying low and his defense-to-offense being more lethal than Jannik’s defined the match dynamics.

Most of Sinner’s point winning comes from forcing pace of play and overwhelming opponents who can’t deal with his pace and depth. Ferrero an encouraged him to neutralize this by using more margin over the net on running FHs defensively, as Sinner was more tentative than usual coming forward. Carlos’s strategy of putting more margin on his replies, via slice and the arched FH, combined with his mutant athleticism neutralized Sinner’s strategy brilliantly.

I noticed Sinner’s hip giving him problems on some low balls vs FAA, unable to produce the same pace off neutral slices leading to misfires, and JCF clearly got Carlos to adjust after the 2nd set, using the slice BH to notice this as well, make the BH-BH rallies unsustainable for Sinner.

Finally, we’ve really figured something out with the serve. Carlos has the wide serve down pat now and his footwork and discipline on staying home vs Sinner’s returns was so much better today than at Wimbledon. He didn’t just lazily come forward today, he either stayed back or came to volley with a purpose. Good job cutting the fat from the service games.

An amazing victory and fully deserved. My hats off to Juan Carlos Ferrero and team. If he coached like this all the time, I would never complain.
 
Sinner was clearly injured causing one of his worst serve displays. So this match is not a good example for long term predictions
 
Improving the first serve and the serve +1 was key. Carlos barely let Sinner into any of his service games and it gave him the safety and confidence to let those forehands rip and Sinner's service games.

I feel like playing instinctive was actually beneficial to Carlos? He felt kinda less methodical than in his previous match-ups - forget trying to reduce errors - he just went for it whenever he saw and opening and it put immense pressure on Sinner. Played well both from the back and when taking the ball early.
 
Kralingen said:
Have to give credit where credit is due. This matchup was all about the margins and adjusting to the conditions. If I had to sum up the match, two areas of play defined it: Carlos’s slice staying low and his defense-to-offense being more lethal than Jannik’s defined the match dynamics.

Most of Sinner’s point winning comes from forcing pace of play and overwhelming opponents who can’t deal with his pace and depth. Ferrero an encouraged him to neutralize this by using more margin over the net on running FHs defensively, as Sinner was more tentative than usual coming forward. Carlos’s strategy of putting more margin on his replies, via slice and the arched FH, combined with his mutant athleticism neutralized Sinner’s strategy brilliantly.

I noticed Sinner’s hip giving him problems on some low balls vs FAA, unable to produce the same pace off neutral slices leading to misfires, and JCF clearly got Carlos to adjust after the 2nd set, using the slice BH to notice this as well, make the BH-BH rallies unsustainable for Sinner.

Finally, we’ve really figured something out with the serve. Carlos has the wide serve down pat now and his footwork and discipline on staying home vs Sinner’s returns was so much better today than at Wimbledon. He didn’t just lazily come forward today, he either stayed back or came to volley with a purpose. Good job cutting the fat from the service games.

An amazing victory and fully deserved. My hats off to Juan Carlos Ferrero and team. If he coached like this all the time, I would never complain.
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Not surprised in the slightest, JCF is the GOAT coach.
 
All about those margins, champ. JCF is now welcome to join the Yabbie Creek motorcycle club.
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Kralingen said:
Have to give credit where credit is due. This matchup was all about the margins and adjusting to the conditions. If I had to sum up the match, two areas of play defined it: Carlos’s slice staying low and his defense-to-offense being more lethal than Jannik’s defined the match dynamics.

Most of Sinner’s point winning comes from forcing pace of play and overwhelming opponents who can’t deal with his pace and depth. Ferrero an encouraged him to neutralize this by using more margin over the net on running FHs defensively, as Sinner was more tentative than usual coming forward. Carlos’s strategy of putting more margin on his replies, via slice and the arched FH, combined with his mutant athleticism neutralized Sinner’s strategy brilliantly.

I noticed Sinner’s hip giving him problems on some low balls vs FAA, unable to produce the same pace off neutral slices leading to misfires, and JCF clearly got Carlos to adjust after the 2nd set, using the slice BH to notice this as well, make the BH-BH rallies unsustainable for Sinner.

Finally, we’ve really figured something out with the serve. Carlos has the wide serve down pat now and his footwork and discipline on staying home vs Sinner’s returns was so much better today than at Wimbledon. He didn’t just lazily come forward today, he either stayed back or came to volley with a purpose. Good job cutting the fat from the service games.

An amazing victory and fully deserved. My hats off to Juan Carlos Ferrero and team. If he coached like this all the time, I would never complain.
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Sinner served 48% and his forehand was all over the place. Thats the coaching.
 
Kralingen said:
Have to give credit where credit is due. This matchup was all about the margins and adjusting to the conditions. If I had to sum up the match, two areas of play defined it: Carlos’s slice staying low and his defense-to-offense being more lethal than Jannik’s defined the match dynamics.

Most of Sinner’s point winning comes from forcing pace of play and overwhelming opponents who can’t deal with his pace and depth. Ferrero an encouraged him to neutralize this by using more margin over the net on running FHs defensively, as Sinner was more tentative than usual coming forward. Carlos’s strategy of putting more margin on his replies, via slice and the arched FH, combined with his mutant athleticism neutralized Sinner’s strategy brilliantly.

I noticed Sinner’s hip giving him problems on some low balls vs FAA, unable to produce the same pace off neutral slices leading to misfires, and JCF clearly got Carlos to adjust after the 2nd set, using the slice BH to notice this as well, make the BH-BH rallies unsustainable for Sinner.

Finally, we’ve really figured something out with the serve. Carlos has the wide serve down pat now and his footwork and discipline on staying home vs Sinner’s returns was so much better today than at Wimbledon. He didn’t just lazily come forward today, he either stayed back or came to volley with a purpose. Good job cutting the fat from the service games.

An amazing victory and fully deserved. My hats off to Juan Carlos Ferrero and team. If he coached like this all the time, I would never complain.
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Good man.
 
Kralingen said:
Have to give credit where credit is due. This matchup was all about the margins and adjusting to the conditions. If I had to sum up the match, two areas of play defined it: Carlos’s slice staying low and his defense-to-offense being more lethal than Jannik’s defined the match dynamics.

Most of Sinner’s point winning comes from forcing pace of play and overwhelming opponents who can’t deal with his pace and depth. Ferrero an encouraged him to neutralize this by using more margin over the net on running FHs defensively, as Sinner was more tentative than usual coming forward. Carlos’s strategy of putting more margin on his replies, via slice and the arched FH, combined with his mutant athleticism neutralized Sinner’s strategy brilliantly.

I noticed Sinner’s hip giving him problems on some low balls vs FAA, unable to produce the same pace off neutral slices leading to misfires, and JCF clearly got Carlos to adjust after the 2nd set, using the slice BH to notice this as well, make the BH-BH rallies unsustainable for Sinner.

Finally, we’ve really figured something out with the serve. Carlos has the wide serve down pat now and his footwork and discipline on staying home vs Sinner’s returns was so much better today than at Wimbledon. He didn’t just lazily come forward today, he either stayed back or came to volley with a purpose. Good job cutting the fat from the service games.

An amazing victory and fully deserved. My hats off to Juan Carlos Ferrero and team. If he coached like this all the time, I would never complain.
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I agree. But Sinner HAS to IMPROVE that serve. 48% is pathetically low. And against Alcaraz it is a death sentence. Carlos found himself in the exactly same situation few weeks ago.in London. You serve below some 55 %, 60%? You are cooked
 
Kralingen said:
Have to give credit where credit is due. This matchup was all about the margins and adjusting to the conditions. If I had to sum up the match, two areas of play defined it: Carlos’s slice staying low and his defense-to-offense being more lethal than Jannik’s defined the match dynamics.

Most of Sinner’s point winning comes from forcing pace of play and overwhelming opponents who can’t deal with his pace and depth. Ferrero an encouraged him to neutralize this by using more margin over the net on running FHs defensively, as Sinner was more tentative than usual coming forward. Carlos’s strategy of putting more margin on his replies, via slice and the arched FH, combined with his mutant athleticism neutralized Sinner’s strategy brilliantly.

I noticed Sinner’s hip giving him problems on some low balls vs FAA, unable to produce the same pace off neutral slices leading to misfires, and JCF clearly got Carlos to adjust after the 2nd set, using the slice BH to notice this as well, make the BH-BH rallies unsustainable for Sinner.

Finally, we’ve really figured something out with the serve. Carlos has the wide serve down pat now and his footwork and discipline on staying home vs Sinner’s returns was so much better today than at Wimbledon. He didn’t just lazily come forward today, he either stayed back or came to volley with a purpose. Good job cutting the fat from the service games.

An amazing victory and fully deserved. My hats off to Juan Carlos Ferrero and team. If he coached like this all the time, I would never complain.
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There's less than 5 people on this forum that are capable of analysis like this. As you can see on the replies... :rolleyes:
 
Kralingen said:
Most of Sinner’s point winning comes from forcing pace of play and overwhelming opponents who can’t deal with his pace and depth. Ferrero an encouraged him to neutralize this by using more margin over the net on running FHs defensively, as Sinner was more tentative than usual coming forward. Carlos’s strategy of putting more margin on his replies, via slice and the arched FH, combined with his mutant athleticism neutralized Sinner’s strategy brilliantly.
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This is one of his best shots and might be the best ever at this point. It’s amazing how he can rest points this way.
 
Kralingen said:
Have to give credit where credit is due. This matchup was all about the margins and adjusting to the conditions. If I had to sum up the match, two areas of play defined it: Carlos’s slice staying low and his defense-to-offense being more lethal than Jannik’s defined the match dynamics.

Most of Sinner’s point winning comes from forcing pace of play and overwhelming opponents who can’t deal with his pace and depth. Ferrero an encouraged him to neutralize this by using more margin over the net on running FHs defensively, as Sinner was more tentative than usual coming forward. Carlos’s strategy of putting more margin on his replies, via slice and the arched FH, combined with his mutant athleticism neutralized Sinner’s strategy brilliantly.

I noticed Sinner’s hip giving him problems on some low balls vs FAA, unable to produce the same pace off neutral slices leading to misfires, and JCF clearly got Carlos to adjust after the 2nd set, using the slice BH to notice this as well, make the BH-BH rallies unsustainable for Sinner.

Finally, we’ve really figured something out with the serve. Carlos has the wide serve down pat now and his footwork and discipline on staying home vs Sinner’s returns was so much better today than at Wimbledon. He didn’t just lazily come forward today, he either stayed back or came to volley with a purpose. Good job cutting the fat from the service games.

An amazing victory and fully deserved. My hats off to Juan Carlos Ferrero and team. If he coached like this all the time, I would never complain.
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ND-13 said:
Sinner was clearly injured causing one of his worst serve displays. So this match is not a good example for long term predictions
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Sinner's 2024 level wasn't even good enough to beat Alcaraz at Beijing, after Alcaraz had lost to Monfils in R2 of Cincy, and lost to van de Zandschulp in R2 of US Open.
Alcaraz was absolutely shattered by the Olympic Gold loss, and Peak Sinner still couldn't beat him at Beijing...
Sinner will have to improve a lot, because Alcaraz is only 22 and will continue improving and is already 7-2 vs. Sinner on hardcourt.
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The court-level view was very telling (the few times the broadcast switched to it). Every single shot Carlos delivered had a different trajectory. No rhythm for Sinner whatsoever. Jannik zoned for a bit in the second set and it didn’t matter but outside of that stretch he was pretty befuddled by it.
 
Ferrero completely outplayed Cahill today. Serve, variety, tenacity in the big moments. Cahill will be disappointed with his low serve percentage, but mostly I say well done to Ferrero — it was wonderful to see him deservedly lift his second trophy at Flushing. I thought he also spoke well, and it was heartwarming watching the two legends Ferrero and Ivan Lendl shaking hands and sharing a quick moment as the latter presented the trophy to the former.
 
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ND-13 said:
Sinner was clearly injured causing one of his worst serve displays. So this match is not a good example for long term predictions
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Excuses, excuses! Didn't you hear Sinner's Italian coach was saying that everything was perfect! We didn't come up with excuses after Wimbledon.

Anyway, Alcaraz had won 5 out of 6 matches.
 
Kralingen said:
Have to give credit where credit is due. This matchup was all about the margins and adjusting to the conditions. If I had to sum up the match, two areas of play defined it: Carlos’s slice staying low and his defense-to-offense being more lethal than Jannik’s defined the match dynamics.

Most of Sinner’s point winning comes from forcing pace of play and overwhelming opponents who can’t deal with his pace and depth. Ferrero an encouraged him to neutralize this by using more margin over the net on running FHs defensively, as Sinner was more tentative than usual coming forward. Carlos’s strategy of putting more margin on his replies, via slice and the arched FH, combined with his mutant athleticism neutralized Sinner’s strategy brilliantly.

I noticed Sinner’s hip giving him problems on some low balls vs FAA, unable to produce the same pace off neutral slices leading to misfires, and JCF clearly got Carlos to adjust after the 2nd set, using the slice BH to notice this as well, make the BH-BH rallies unsustainable for Sinner.

Finally, we’ve really figured something out with the serve. Carlos has the wide serve down pat now and his footwork and discipline on staying home vs Sinner’s returns was so much better today than at Wimbledon. He didn’t just lazily come forward today, he either stayed back or came to volley with a purpose. Good job cutting the fat from the service games.

An amazing victory and fully deserved. My hats off to Juan Carlos Ferrero and team. If he coached like this all the time, I would never complain.
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Alcaraz did exactly what i posted he needed to do on here a few days ago to thebletter. Where do.i send my invoice ?
 
Kralingen said:
Have to give credit where credit is due. This matchup was all about the margins and adjusting to the conditions. If I had to sum up the match, two areas of play defined it: Carlos’s slice staying low and his defense-to-offense being more lethal than Jannik’s defined the match dynamics.

Most of Sinner’s point winning comes from forcing pace of play and overwhelming opponents who can’t deal with his pace and depth. Ferrero an encouraged him to neutralize this by using more margin over the net on running FHs defensively, as Sinner was more tentative than usual coming forward. Carlos’s strategy of putting more margin on his replies, via slice and the arched FH, combined with his mutant athleticism neutralized Sinner’s strategy brilliantly.

I noticed Sinner’s hip giving him problems on some low balls vs FAA, unable to produce the same pace off neutral slices leading to misfires, and JCF clearly got Carlos to adjust after the 2nd set, using the slice BH to notice this as well, make the BH-BH rallies unsustainable for Sinner.

Finally, we’ve really figured something out with the serve. Carlos has the wide serve down pat now and his footwork and discipline on staying home vs Sinner’s returns was so much better today than at Wimbledon. He didn’t just lazily come forward today, he either stayed back or came to volley with a purpose. Good job cutting the fat from the service games.

An amazing victory and fully deserved. My hats off to Juan Carlos Ferrero and team. If he coached like this all the time, I would never complain.
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Good analysis. We need more of these type of posts and less of the non sense.
 
tudwell said:
The court-level view was very telling (the few times the broadcast switched to it). Every single shot Carlos delivered had a different trajectory. No rhythm for Sinner whatsoever. Jannik zoned for a bit in the second set and it didn’t matter but outside of that stretch he was pretty befuddled by it.
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every angle they have is awful...worst televised major by far...clearly there are stadium issues for the cameras
 
Carlos made the improvements and adjustments needed after W. Incredible to do that in such a quick turnaround. So yeah, definitely credit to his coaches and to Carlos. He played this entire USO with a focused discipline that we haven't seen before. Hopefully he can make that his new normal.
 
tudwell said:
The court-level view was very telling (the few times the broadcast switched to it). Every single shot Carlos delivered had a different trajectory. No rhythm for Sinner whatsoever. Jannik zoned for a bit in the second set and it didn’t matter but outside of that stretch he was pretty befuddled by it.
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I noticed that the high, deep loopers neutralized Sinner pretty well.
 
Ferrero should grow back the facial hair he had at Roland Garros, it suited him and gave him grandeur.
The lack of beard is his only weakness now.

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Kralingen said:
Have to give credit where credit is due. This matchup was all about the margins and adjusting to the conditions. If I had to sum up the match, two areas of play defined it: Carlos’s slice staying low and his defense-to-offense being more lethal than Jannik’s defined the match dynamics.

Most of Sinner’s point winning comes from forcing pace of play and overwhelming opponents who can’t deal with his pace and depth. Ferrero an encouraged him to neutralize this by using more margin over the net on running FHs defensively, as Sinner was more tentative than usual coming forward. Carlos’s strategy of putting more margin on his replies, via slice and the arched FH, combined with his mutant athleticism neutralized Sinner’s strategy brilliantly.

I noticed Sinner’s hip giving him problems on some low balls vs FAA, unable to produce the same pace off neutral slices leading to misfires, and JCF clearly got Carlos to adjust after the 2nd set, using the slice BH to notice this as well, make the BH-BH rallies unsustainable for Sinner.

Finally, we’ve really figured something out with the serve. Carlos has the wide serve down pat now and his footwork and discipline on staying home vs Sinner’s returns was so much better today than at Wimbledon. He didn’t just lazily come forward today, he either stayed back or came to volley with a purpose. Good job cutting the fat from the service games.

An amazing victory and fully deserved. My hats off to Juan Carlos Ferrero and team. If he coached like this all the time, I would never complain.
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It isn't so much that Carlos used more margin in his topspin or used the slice so much in and of themselves either; it's that he alternated them far more than he usually does and attacked on his own terms early in the rallies to make sure Sinner didn't get into his smothering groove

In fact in the second set Carlos played a LOT more slices, one after the other and Sinner ate them alive.

Carlos when he used the variety and then went after a forehand relatively early in a rally was at his most effective and that was definitely in the game plan for the match. I wouldn't have minded seeing MORE high bouncing forehands from Carlos to set up attacks but at least he did some of that (which he very rarely had done before in high profile matches).
 
ND-13 said:
Sinner was clearly injured causing one of his worst serve displays. So this match is not a good example for long term predictions
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hardly agree
injury or even minor pull is part of the game
everyone will get physically weaker by days
carlos spotted on with improved serve and high tempo instead of more variety of shots
 
darthrafa said:
hardly agree
injury or even minor pull is part of the game
everyone will get physically weaker by days
carlos spotted on with improved serve and high tempo instead of more variety of shots
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Before the match, Sinner's Italian coach said his preparation was perfect and he had no issue.

Even if Sinner were constrained in any way, he has to explain why he won only one match in the last eight!
 
SonnyT said:
Before the match, Sinner's Italian coach said his preparation was perfect and he had no issue.

Even if Sinner were constrained in any way, he has to explain why he won only one match in the last eight!
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coz atm sinner is an aggressive version of djoker and relatively one dimensional though he is good enough to win everything even that carlos had to play a very excellent match to win it

sinner himself mentioned that already
 
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